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CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy Harlow July 9, 2018

Four more rescues in eight hours, a perilous but productive day in the thailand cave, where a Youth Soccer Team of 12 boys and their coach have been trapped for more than two weeks. Good morning, everyone. Im poppy harlow in new york and we are on this breaking news. Four boys pulled out today, four yesterday. That means that four teammates remain inside of this cave in thailand along with their coach. They will stay there for at least another day. It is right now 9 00 p. M. In thailand and divers and their gear need to be replenished, despite the coming end of the good weather that has helped in these rescues. Heavy rain could reflood the tunnels and chambers the teams spent days pumping out last week. Were live at the cave as well as at the hospital where those eight boys are now being treated and quarantined. Lets begin at the cave. Our ivan watson is there. Ivan, whats the update . Reporter yeah, a second day of rescues, with now a total of eight boys brought from deep within the mountain, where theyve been hiding, trapped now some 2. 5 miles into the mountain for more than two weeks now. Now, weve gotten some details from some of the rescue workers about how the boys are being brought out, that theyre wearing wet suits, that they have full face masks that are kept on the boys faces while theyre carried on stretchers from the mouth of the cave complex to the field hospital, thats been erected nearby there. And thats where doctor get a close look at the boys after theyve made the perilous journey in from the cave where they were trapped. And then theyre ferried out by ambulances and then by military helicopters to a hospital in the provincial capital. You know, the question of why theyre wearing wet suits, well, we know that the professional divers, it was taking them about ten hours to do the roundtrip journey from the caves entrance to where the 12 boys were trapped with their soccer coach, for more than two weeks, and then back out again, presumably, there are long stretches where the boys would be in cold water. Theyre in a weakened state, theyre dehydrated, malnutrition as well. So those wet suits keeping them warm. The full face masks because theyre not trained divers. And something to underscore here, theres good news that eight boys have been brought out. We dont know the medical condition of all of them, but this same journey killed one professional former Thai Royal Navy diver just last week. And thats why we cant afford to get too euphoric when there are four boys still trapped inside and another soccer coach. And when there are divers from around the world, risking their lives to try to bring out the remaining trapped people. Poppy . Absolutely, ivan. Im so glad you said that. We are thinking of all of those four boys. The coach still inside and the eight being treated at the hospital. Ivan watson, thank you. Lets go to the hospital now. Our matt rivers is outside. And matt, were learning some details about these boys. I understand theyre in quarantine. They cant see their families immediately. What are they undergoing . Reporter yeah, what weve seen over the last couple of hours here, poppy, is each boy successfully brought into this hospital, airlifted from the cave entrance to an area south of here, an old airport, driven by ambulance here to the e. R. Behind me. Theyre taken up to the eighth floor of this hospital, poppy, which had been turned into a normal ward into an area that has been sterilized. Its an isolation unit. And thats where each boy will have to be kept for one to two days after he is brought off the cave. What doctors are saying is the reason for that is kind of an abundance of caution. They want to make sure that their immune systems arent too weak to be able to fight off over infections. They want to make sure they didnt bring certain pathogens out of the cave that could affect not only their health, but the health of others around them. So as a result, theyre being isolated. If their parents come to see them, they would have to wear a suit and a special infectionproof suit, if you will, and they wont be able to get within two meters of where their boys are. So they wont be able to give them hug, at least initially, that you can imagine that they would want to give them. But shortly thereafter, they would be able to do that. And we expect them to remain in the hospital for five to seven days, maybe longer than that, under observation to make sure no other symptoms from any other kind of illness develops, so their recovery goes as smoothly as possible. All right, matt rivers, thank you so much. And were thinking of those four that still remain, those four boys as we look at those images in that cave. Im joined now by cave rescue expert, an ma mirza, and dr. Carl lieberman, thank you both for being here. Dr. Lieberman, lets talk about the mental state of these young boys. How optimistic they may be. And if they even know that the eight got out safely. Hopefully that message is getting to them. But what does that do to their mental state, to know that their friends are out . Well, hopefully they at least know that the first four got out, because the divers would have gone back to get the next set. And that is so important, you know, to make them believe that they can do it. Now, of course, the problem is, it sounds like theyre taking the healthiest boys out, physically and psychologically the healthiest, and that means that these other boys who were weaker were exposed more to the elements of being in the cave, both the psychological elements, you know, being in this darkened space, and so on. Also, the fear each time that people leave that theyre not going to come back, that somethings going to happen and theyre not going to be able to get reality. Also the reality of it, now its my turn, i have to do this. These other people did it, but you know, can i do it . So its all of that. Anmar, to you, when you look at the extremity that theyre going through, i had read that its the first kilometer of this hourslong journey out of the cave that is the most perilous and the most treacherous for these boys, and you look at how difficult it is, that even an expert diver died on this journey, what stands out to you the most about whats ahead still for these remaining four boys and their coach . Well, the fact that weve gotten now eight of them out actually is a very, very good sign, obviously. But what it means is that the people who are in there and theyre staged and theyre running the plan have now had two opportunities to run the plan, to finetune it, to take out any problems that they can. And it runs more efficiently, the more practice you get with it. Its still dangerous, but im far more optimistic now than i was before. The fact that the water was pumped down to the degree it was, though, makes it a lot less risky and a lot less strenuous than it was in the beginning, and then when the later diver died. But you do have this, you know, very heavy rainfall, that is forecast. And you talk about the time it took them to pump, anmar, all of that water out. And now, how could this complicate efforts in the next 24 hours . Well, that is the big problem. If the rainfall comes and they cannot pump it out enough to allow them the last little bit of the operation to go, then were back to a real problem again. Its still a problem if theyre doing it the way theyre doing it now, but the weather has always been, from the very beginning of this, the weather has always been the biggest variable and the biggest hazard. Carole, again back to the longterm exact of the boys. Hopefully all 12 make it out safely and their coach. When the news cameras are gone and then they are not inspect headlines anymore, what is the longterm impact on them, because they cant talk to their friends and family and say, you know what its like to go through Something Like this, because no one else does . Right, of course, the team, the team, being able to talk together and be together, the teamwork that theyve been doing, and thats been helping them all along, actually. The cohesiveness that they have as a team. But, you know, they are going to be having posttraumatic stress disord disorder, some more than others. And that will depend on who they were before they got trapped in the cave. The healthier they were psychologically before they got trapped, the easier it will be for them to deal with the psychological problems caused by them being trapped. But theyre going to have things like, they probably will have nightmares, they will have intrusive thoughts about what happened in the cave. They may have flashbacks. Chances are, theyre not going to want to go cave exploring anytime soon. They might have fears of the water. You know but what about the resilience it can build, you know . Knowing that something you can survive Something Like that. Well, its kind of a doubleedged sword. Yes, on the one hand, theyll be thinking, i survived this. And of course, theyre going to be getting lots of kudos. Everybodys been watching they were resilient and Strong Enough to survive it. But on the other hand, that doesnt protect them from being plagued by things like nightmare. And my concern is that people are going to skip over this and think that if they come out and they say, you know, i want fried chicke chicken, theyre going to think, this must mean theyre healthy and fine. And anmar, finally to you, the divers that are doing this, it does appear that each time they do this trip, its taking less time, theyre becoming even more expert at navigating these tunnels. Is it the same divers, do you believe that are going in and out each time . And how much does it benefit them that theyve now been, you know, in and out a series of times . Knowing the route and knowing the hazards in there is absolutely important. And it is, my understanding is it is the main primary batch of divers here doing this. Once they know the hazards within the route, they can easily avoid them. So the unknown is always harder. And they also have gotten a lot of practice with the techniques that theyre using, specifically to bring the boys out, which certainly makes that go smoother. Anmar mirza, thank you. Dr. Carole lieberman, appreciate you both being here. Again, four more boys, their coach, were waiting for them to be rescued, hopefully tomorrow morning. All right, were less than 12 hours away from President Trumps primetime announcement on his Supreme Court nominee. Then the real battle begins on capitol hill. 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And our reporting, apparently, abby, he has not decided which of those four justices he will nominate, but he will decide in less that be two hours. Thats right, poppy. This is a moving target, but as of this morning, our sources were telling us the president , if he has decided, he hasnt made it known to people who are close to the process. He did say last night upon returning to washington from new jersey where he spent the weekend deliberating on this, that he was planning on making a decision by noon today. But this is coming down to like you just showed up on the screen, about four candidates who have been in the sort of top tier for quite a while now. But one of the most interesting developments over the weekend is that weve learned, sources are telling us that mitch mcconnell, the Senate Majority leader, has told President Trump who he thinks will be the easiest of those candidates to confirm. Those two candidates are Thomas Hardiman and raymond kethledge. Those two, mcconnell believes, could be the easiest. They wont be as polarizing as some of these other candidates out there. Hardiman, you saw there, was the runnerup the last time around. Hes already been through quite a bit of this vetting process. Now, there were two other candidates on the list. Brett kavanaugh and amy Coney Barrett, both of whom were believed to be kind of rising up and down in the president s estimation in the last few days. And both of those folks are still obviously in the running, but there have been some concerns from conservatives that perhaps theyre too polarizing. Amy Coney Barrett has been the target of democrats who believe that she is likely to repeal roe versus wade. And Brett Kavanaugh is someone who has a long traditional record, but perhaps so long, that democrats can poke a lot of holes in it in a confirmation process. So theres a lot that the president is weighing here. But obviously this decision is his and his only. He said its going to be by noon, but 9 00 p. M. Is still a long time away and he can take as long as he wants to make this decision. Of course he can. It is his decision to make. But of course, conservative senators like ted cruz and like senator rand paul, tom cotton, have expressed concerns about kavanaugh directly to the white house. Abby, thank you for the reporting. With me now, steve lattic, also jami jamiel jafers is with us, and clerked for Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch before he was on the high court. Steve, you wrote something on twitter. You said, these justices are not all the same, they have important differences, but those differences pale in comparison to how different they would be Justice Anthony kennedy, whose seat they tlaking. Thats the important point. Of all the dream were going to see, at the end of the day, all four of the folks on the top of the short list really are, you know, you know, strongly conservative nominees, folks who would move the court to the right. Folks who would make john roberts the center vote. I think its important we not lose track of that, even as weve seen conservative groups going after one name or another, democrats lining up and getting ready to go after one versus the other. If its any of these four folks, this is someone whos going to mean the court meaningfully to the right in ways that are going to affect of americans, far beyond one issue like abortion or one set of cases, like with Brett Kavanaugh, you know, president ial power. So jamiel, to Brett Kavanaugh, you have those senators, republican senators, who have expressed concern about him to the white house. Some thinking that the dissents he wrote on key cases, including one texas abortion case, didnt go far enough. Theres concern that the administration cant go through all the paperwork from his time in the Bush White House ahead of 9 00 p. M. Tonight. But you do have him as reportedly a favorite of White House Council don mcgahn. And on the flip side of that, you have senator majority leader mitch mcconnell, who was so key in the gorsuch appointment, saying hardiman or kethledge would be a safer pick for the president in terms of getting him confirmed. Whats your read . The president hardly goes with the safe move on almost any issue. It wouldnt surprise me if he went with brett. Hes a solid conservative candidate. This idea that brett is not conservative enough, totally false. Hes right within the mainstream, as of all four of these candidates. I dont agree with steve that they would move the court substantial to the right. Discussing the court in a righttoleft dynamic is really inaccurate. When you think about what the judges do and how they think about these issues, its whether they follow the law or if they but its different but when you look atjamiel, and you roe v. Wade and you look at what the president himself said to cbs in 2016, that judges will be prolife, thats a quote from the president , when asked about Su

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