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CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy Harlow August 1, 2018 13:00:00

The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. Manafort and its clear in the attempt by the defense to establish reasonable doubt. In The Big Picture its important to say that prosecutors putting on their case now are trying to delve into what they called the extravagant lifestyle of paul manafo manafort. They say he parked money in Offshore Banks and evaded taxes. Evade it had Internal Revenue service so today we expect to hear more of the deep dive into how u. S. Political consultants of both parties were hired to work for ukraine. We expect on the stand today among others daniel rayban. The first witness was another Democratic Political consultant, tad devine, the chief strategist for the democratic president ial candidate bernie sanders. Also on the stand, an fbi agent who is expected to go through the nuts and bolts of what the fbi learned. The rocket docket. Another big day. Joining me now, Crime And Justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz and former federal prosecutor in new yorks southern district, ellie honey. What do you make of the Defense Strategy . Its the first time weve seen what their strategy will be. Its a bold move to nail to pin this on gates. Especially when gates could be, will be, a key witness in the other part of the trial here that manafort is facing in d. C. In charges related to russia. What do you make of it . Poppy, weve seen the Defense Strategy and as a former prosecutor im underwhelmed. The defense seems to be it was Everyone Else but me. It was Everyone Else but Paul Manafort and i think that will be a hard sell for the jury because the facts are who built the business. Who is rick gates boss. Used to be a prosecutor. Talk to me about these cases. You mentioned how widespread these Lobbying Efforts with ukraine were and not just among republican consultants. No, democrat consultants have come up during the Mueller Investigation and one we talked about and has been reported on a tony podesta, a democratic lobbyist. Also what weve learned is that that investigation. We know tony podesta did not file these registration forms you need to file with the department of justice. Its also relating to work with the ukraine, which is what manafort is on trial for now. This came up during the manafort investigation. Its not clear why theres any violation between tony podesta. Something else. Hes been in the lobbying world for a lot of people. And thats what concerns him is that he comes in and starts talking about people. His life could be at risk and his familys life could be at risk but theres something that is stopping him from cooperating. Thats an important point. Gentlemen, thank you. Shimon, elie, appreciate it. Were also keeping a close eye on the president whos keeping a close eye on this trial, you can bet, Officials Say hes made it known he wants frequent updates as this mueller trial proceeds, but that is not something you will hear him talk about the president Didnt Say Mueller or manafort or witchhunt in his rally. Thats not what we usually hear. Abby phillip is at the white house with more. Do you know why he didnt wade into this at all yesterday . Well, poppy, this could be the beginning of the president s attempt to play it cool in public while privately hes doing something entirely different. Sources are telling cnn the president Behind The Scenes is asking for more. He wants updates on whats going on day to day in this trial. The first major case of the Special Counsel Investigation. The president is paying attention to this as his advisers are saying this has nothing to do with this white house, manafort is being tried for things he did before he became the president s campaign chairman. But, again, poppy, President Trump has also talked about this Special Counsel Investigation ruining peoples lives. And when he says that, hes also referring to Paul Manafort who was at one time his campaign chairman. Abby, thank you for reporting from the white house for us this morning. Ahead, a lot this hour, facebook detection effort to influence the midterms as were less than 100 days away from voters going to the polls. Whats being done to stop it. Also President Trump takes a cue from candidate trump while taking up his old Campaign Rally tactic. Will it be a Winning Strategy . And down loads suspended. A judge blocks plans to allow blueprints ford printed guns to be widely available online. This fight is far from over. Table one is cash, the three are fha, one is va. So what can you do . Shes saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. But you got this Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans makes the complex simple. Understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes. By americas largest mortgage lender. Facebook has invested so much money, so much time, so much effort into fighting this but it goes to show that it persists. Do they know definitively this is russia . They dont know definitively, poppy, its russia but all signs point to some level of russian involvement. So much activity looks similar to what facebook found after the 2016 election. The difference this time is that facebook is getting ahead of it. They are bringing it to congresss attention ahead of the midterms so thats progress on facebooks front but the larger picture here is exactly what you brought up this is a problem they can never fully solve. Its not something that can be prevented, simply something that can be monitored and then called out and like you said, they have invested so much money, so much time and manpower, a staff of 20,000 people monitoring this sort of thing. Its immense but what it shows is that this is really the best they can do and as these efforts, these Misinformation Efforts become more sophisticated its going to require all that much more effort just to keep up in that arms race. And dylan, what was interesting to me, many of the interesting things out of this briefing that facebook staff gave to lawmakers they said finding this suspicious activity was hard they are time around, do you know why . Facebook anticipated it and lawmakers on capitol hill anticipated it. Every election psych it will efforts of russians and other actors are going to become more sophisticated. Thats how it works and thats why its an arms race. So url addresses, vpns easily traced back to russia around the 2016 campaign, now whoever is doing this are taking greater steps to hide that. Thats why facebook doesnt want to definitively say this is russia because its not as easily traced. They Want Congress to assign responsibility for these actions but officials told lawmakers in these private meetings it appears to be russia behind this. Dylan, thank you for the reporting from los angeles. Joining me now is a member of Congress Hawho is very focus on this, senator ed markey. Thank you for being here. Good morning. Lets talk about facebook. You had a contentious backandforth in april with facebook founder and Ceo Mark Zuckerberg and after that you tweeted sorry doesnt cut it anymore. Given this new development do you believe facebook is doing enough to safeguard our democracy and elections . Facebook was in denial, its clear they didnt accept their responsibility to ensure that they dealt with the down side of the internet. They were touting all the good things that happened but theres a dickensian quality to the internet, its the best and worst simultaneously. Now, to their credit facebook is deck Kated Resources Toer if it are out those trying to subvert our election process, thats to their credit but it also is a warning to our country in the words of the 1960s movie, the russians are coming again for our elections and we have to be vigilant but that has to start in the white house with the president of the United States stopping his denial of the reality that this is happening. In april when Mark Zuckerberg did testify before your committee and you had this back and forth, youve talked about the consent act which you introduced this year. That is legislation that if passed would require Companies Like facebook to get an opt in from all of us that we would have to opt in for our private information to be used, not set certain privacies, we would have to opt in and you pushed him and he conceded that yes he thinks thats the right principle. Do you think facebook with all of this investment, the hiring 20 20,000 people, taking a big hit in their stock price is doing enough now or can they, should they do more . There is more to be done on the privacy of individuals. In the consent act we say basically you have a right to know the information is being gathered about you. You have secondly a right to know that that information might be used for purposes that you did not intend and third you have a right to say no, you dont want this information to be shared. That has not happened yet. There is no law that is on the books and facebook hasnt stepped up to advocate for such a law to be given as a privacy bill of rights to every single american in this era. So were still at the dawn of this debate. Were very far from having the laws on the books that reflect the concern every american has about their private information and thats reflected in the decline of facebooks stock. Do you think facebook is making quite a lot of sacrifices to make things right . I ask you that because we saw last week the stock fell it plummeted after you heard Mark Zuckerberg say on the investor call were investing so much in security that it will significantly impact our profitability. It sounds like its good theyre doing that but they have to do more and thats get behind legislation like this. Now facebook is beginning a process of making that investment but they need to make the whole platform more secure to give people confidence that their information wont be compromised and they have to make the investment which theyve begun to do to put in the protections to protect our system in the country to protect us from invasions by the russians and others that seek through this technology to compromise our democracy. The Vice President mike pence speaking in new york yesterday pointed his finger back at the Obama Administration and said that that administration failed to do enough to fend off Cyber Security attacks. Lets listen. The last administration all but neglected Cyber Security even though the digital threats were growing more numerous and dangerous by the day. In 2014, a Foreign Government hacked into the White House Network itself and yet in the face of constant attacks like that the last administration too often chose silence and paralysis over strength and acti action. Should the Obama Administration have done more senator . Well, thats untrue. I was the author of the law in 2010 to mandate dramatic increase in the security of the Electric Grid inside of the United States. I was able to get that passed through the House Of Representatives. It was killed over here in the senate, which is where i now serve by republican senators at the behest of the electric Utility Industry of the United States. I had president obamas support for that legislation. It was republican senators which killed it. Now we hear Crocodile Tears, see Crocodile Tears being shed about their concern. Well, right now they have an ability in this straight to put out an acrosstheboard red alert that they expect every single industry to install the stateoftheart protections against Cyber Attacks in our country, they have yet to do it so lets no longer have words, lets have actions because i know fromly own Personal Experience that they killed my bill after it had passed the House Of Representatives and the Electric Grid is the single most vulnerable dangerous thing and we know that china and russia and other countries are probing our Electric Grid everyday. They have not supported legislation that mandates the toughest possible security to be built around it. Senator, on the issue top of mind for many people this week, the ability to post online plans to print 3d guns. A federal judge has temporarily halted that but this fight is far from over. You have said this would create a new supercharged era of gun violence. My colleague Lori Segal Sat Down Yesterday with a man named cody wilson, he brought the lawsuit forward and settled with the State Department over this one that would have allowed these plans to be posted widely on line. Heres what he said. Are you worried the government will reverse its decision . I already uploaded the plans. The ship has sailed. Its Public Domain information. Its irrevocable. People cant take it back. He said people are printing this out, you cant turn the ship around now. Whats your reaction to that . Thats not true. A federal judge in washington has already issued a Restraining Order blocking any further downloading. What we need is for donald trump once again to match his words that he is concerned with some action but we dont expect that to happen because ultimately the nra has this Republicancontrolled Congress in a vicelike grip. After parkland we could pass no legislation. After this revelation about 3d guns being downloaded, we have crickets that were hearing from the republican side in terms of passing legislation to protect against their proliferation. These guns require no background checks. Theyre undetectable. Theyre untraceable. Theyre going to be a gift to every terrorist, every criminal in the United States and around the world because this is the internet. Its global and this white house beginning with secretary pompeo, Secretary Sessions have given a green light and donald trump is going along with it. He has a chance to issue an Executive Order to tell his administration to reverse position and he has not done it, we have to say to these people that we wont allow them to do it. Were at the dawn of the era. We have to put the lid on the pandoras box and not allow it to become an epidemic on every single street in our country. Ed markey, appreciate you being here on these important issues. Thank you. 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