Im poppy harlow in new york. Im jim sciutto in washington. Breaking news. In just the past few minutes in the conflict between israel and Palestinian Militants that, if confirmed, could be a major turning point in this already deadly conflict. The breaking news is that the military faction of Hamas Al Qassam brigade that is operating in gaza has announced that theyve captured an israeli soldier whom they are holding that soldier as a prisoner. Were working very hard to verify this claim and looking for further announcements from hamas. No comment yet from israel on that hamas claim. More people, though, died today on both sides of the Israeli Palestinian conflict than on any single day since the latest wave of violence started. 13 Israeli Soldiers and 87 people in gaza have been killed. Most of them in one town that was targeted for an intense air strike by the israeli military. Israels Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu spoke to cnn a few minutes ago. He said people say the israeli response is too much are frankly wrong. There are very few examples in history of countries that have been rocketed on this scale. If you look at our response, its actually very measured and trying to be as pinpointed as we can. Were going to take you live to gaza but right now well give you the latest on Malaysia Airlines flight 17. Along the Russia Ukraine border disorganized groups still patrolling much of that crash area that spans many kilometers. It literally litters landscapes for miles and miles. It is severely complicating attempts to end investigate the crash site. 298 souls. One of the biggest questions at this hour remains where exactly are those socalled black boxes . The leader of one prorussian rebel group seen here with his guard says his supporters may have recovered those devices. He says they will be turned over eventually to International Investigators but stresses they are not going to give them to the Ukrainian Government. Also this video shot on friday apparently also was distributed today by reuters. It appears to show one of the flight recorders being carried from a field. There is no real way to confirm what exactly that man is holding. In terms of the search for those 298 people aboard flight 17, 27 more bodies have been found bringing the total number recovered thus far to 233. Prorussian rebels say theyve transferred almost 200 bodies to refrigerated train cars, but theyve given no word as to where theyll release those bodies or where theyre going. The leaders of britain, germany, the United States all speaking out against Vladimir Putin. In the words of australian leader tony abbott, quote, russia cant wash its hands of this. Earlier in the day john kerry told cnn that the Missile System that brought down flight 17 can be traced back to russia. Its pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from russia in the hand of separatists. We know with confidence, with confidence that the ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point in time. So it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists. Cnn crews are on the ground very close to the flight 17 crash scene. Phil black joins us from donetsk. This morning releasing another audio recording seeming to show rebels trying to get their hands on the flight recorders even talking about how russia wants to get its hands on them. When these recordings were released earlier, u. S. Officials said they couldnt confirm them but later said they believe them to be true. What about this latest one . Does it look to be authentic . Well, its interesting, jim. This comes the same day as the rebel leadership says that, yes, we do have items in our possession that may be the cockpit voice and data recorders. A day ago they denied it. They said were not touching the wreckage. We dont want to contaminate the scene. Now they say they do think they have them, will not hand them over to ukraine. Only to international expert. They dont trust the Ukrainian Government. The Ukrainian Government doesnt trust them too much either so thats why there are those audio recordings that they show or i should say they are indicate or they are of a conversation between various rebels talking about the need to track down the black boxes because nameless people in moscow are demanding that they do so. Take a listen to this. [ speaking Foreign Language ] we cant verify just how accurate these recordings are, but the Ukrainian Government says its another big piece of evidence which backs up their case, a case which is clearly gathering support around the world that russia had a hand not only in the weapon that was used to shoot down the aircraft, but now in attempting to cover up the fact that a weapon likely from russia was used in shooting down the aircraft. That is the ukrainian case. Youve heard it as one that the United States administration is clearly has considerable belief in as well. But the militants on the ground insist they know they have nothing to do with it. Theyve insisted theyre not trying to cover up anything as well, jim. You listen to that recording, if you wanted to script something that would be the proof that the russians wanted to be the black boxes, it would be scripted exactly like that. It is an information war. I want to talk about the crash scene today. There have been some reports that the various International Observers have had access. But at the same time shocking reports coming out. There was evidence that some people had stolen credit cards off some of the deceased passengers and used them. I mean, more evidence of people interfering with that site. I wonder what youre hearing and what you were seeing there today . Weve certainly seen evidence of people interfere. Yes, clearly things have been moved around. Weve seen personal effects piled up. Clip bags opened. We dont know by who, we dont know what their intent was. We dont see any evidence of things being stolen or those reports of credit cards being taken and perhaps used as well. But theres certainly a question mark, and thats because of the security at the site and the various crash sites across this very wide debris field, the security is so poor. The main impact areas that we saw today were more secure certainly. I think that is an improvement to 24 hours ago. But in terms of mounting a proper investigation here and ensuring that this scene wasnt tampered with, the proper security wasnt in place and the investigators, the experts are still not on the ground. Incredible these day ds after the attack, the investigators are still not there. Phil black one of the first to get there himself. Since the crash of malaysian Airlines Flight 17, the Ukrainian Government and prorussian rebels have traded accusations over who is to blame. The the u. S. Intelligence on who exactly did this and as the Israeli Offensive widens, the Prime Minister talks about what it will take for the fighting to end. Our new flatbread sandwiches may be flat. The flavors, are anything but. So whether its taste inspired by the freshness of the mediterranean. Or the smoky spice of the southwest. Or bold, adventurous thai flavors. You always get flavor thats anything but flat. And always with chicken raised without antibiotics. New flatbread sandwiches from panera. Each 360 calories or less. Try one today. Welcome back. The world is now demanding answers about how a large commercial aircraft carrying nearly 300 people could be shot out of the skies over europe. And now a few pieces of crucial evidence have been obtained by the xwrits. He United States. Heres pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr. Unknown to the world prorussian rebels secretly moved a heavy arsenal of weapons into place days ago. Weapons that would lead to the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines flight 17 according to a u. S. Intelligence analysis. There was a convoy several weeks ago, about 150 vehicles with armed personnel carrier, multiple rocket launchers, tanks, artillery, all of which crossed over from russia into the eastern part of ukraine and was turned over to the separatists. Reporter on thursday, within hours of the plane dropping off radar, the u. S. Suspected a shootdown. The dossier to prove it was assembled by u. S. Mill traer and intelligence analysts scouring highly classified data from spy satellites, radars and phone intercepts. They narrowed in on two pieces of critical information detected by u. S. Satellite and radar feeds. First, a surfacetoair Missile System had been turned on in a separatecontrolled area in Eastern Ukraine. A moment later a u. S. Satellite captured the heat signature of a midair explosion. We know that within hours of this event this particular system passed through two towns right in the vicinity of the shootdown. We know because we observed it by imagery that at the moment of the shootdown we detected a launch from that area and our trajectory shows that it went to the aircraft. Reporter the conclusion a russianplied buk surfacetoair missile. The evidence, intercepts of separatist Communications Posted on youtube by the Ukrainian Government indicate that they were in the possession of an sa11 system as early as monday, july 14th. The sa11, the western name for the buk. U. S. Intelligence matched those voices to other separatist recordings. The rebels claim to have shot down a military transport plane. When it became clear it was a passenger jet, social media posts were quickly deleted. Then there was this. A quick shot of what is believed to be the buk missile launcher on its way back to russia. Further evidence of a russian connection, u. S. Intelligence has identified a facility in southwest russia where rebel fighters have been trained on surfacetoair Missile Systems. The u. S. Also says more than a dozen aircraft were shot down over Eastern Ukraine in recent months, more than previously acknowledged. Could the ukrainians have shot down flight 17 . The u. S. Says no. Ukraine has the same weapons, but none of those weapons were in the region at the time. Barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. Thanks to Barbara Starr for her excellent reporting throughout on all of this. The full picture of how and why flight 17 came down over Eastern Ukraine is still far from clear despeet all that barbara did lay out. How long until the conclusive answers do start emerging . We want to bring in our panel now. Cnn military analyst Lieutenant Colonel rick francona, former faa safety inspector david souci and security operation analyst bob baer. Great to have you all back. David, i want to you first just in light of your background as a safety analyst as to why this plane was still flying over this part of the country, not so much to get at the airline for making the decision but to get to the regulators who let it fly. Just before they had set the safe ceiling at 31,000 or 32,000 feet, this plane was at 33,000 feet. As a flier, thats not a very comfortable margin of error for me and i would imagine for our viewers as well. More and more were hearing u. S. Intel had knowledge of a weapons capability from these prorussian separatists including these surfacetoair missiles. Why was that plane still allowed to fly over that war zone . Thats an excellent question. It comes down to one thing. And thats with safety, safety is based on assumptions, assumptions that are made based on intelligence. And that intelligence didnt get to the right people. That intelligence was held up somehow, whether from the ukrainians, whether from the ukraine communication to the International CivilAviation Organization which is an arm of the united nations, that information didnt get there. This is Disruptive Technology. You have to couch this a little bit because the Safety Systems designed right now with iko and the rules and the regulations that are set up right now are based on one thing. That is that the takeoff and landing is the most vulnerable part of the flight and that technology which is available to separatists and folks that are threats are focusing on those areas. Now we have this Disruptive Technology that the system wasnt designed to consider but they have to now. The iko needs to step forward with rules and has to be more diligent about making these rules and getting them out right away. Yeah, i think this begs the question does this demand a seachange of protocol now. Yes. And to, colonel francona, i want you to listen to some sound. It came from candy crowleys Program State of the union this morning. Dianne feinstein talking about this incident. There are a lot of things that one can say as well as planes shouldnt have been over there in first place. But the fact of the matter is to use this kind of launching missile that travels at two to three times the speed of sound, that takes just seconds to get there, thats made for an entirely different purpose, to take down whether it is transports or helicopters, and in this case a very large passenger plane filled with almost 300 people including 80 children. 80 children. Lets talk about what this is made up of. Because the buk is not just one, it is actually part of a much larger system of four parts of weaponry. However, as we discussed yesterday, it can still operate like that by itself. And if it doesnt have all the components, you miss key parts in terms of the most sophisticated parts of the radar. Thats the problem with this. If you just have the radar, it can function independently. But its meant to function as part of a system where it has identification of friend or foe, can query the aircraft, can find the exact altitude, not just a piece of metal in the sky but real detailed data about that. You think thats what it did. Thats what happened. Because if they had the acquisition radar, it wouldnt have engaged in target. It would have been patently obvious that this was a civilian aft. Jim . If i can, i want to get back to you. We talked about this yesterday. But the entirely New Territory were in now, if you have weapons of this power that are able to threaten civilian aircraft at an altitude that we thought, until three days ago, was safe, thats no longer the case. Theres a responsibility issue here where should these warnings have gone out before this plane went down, but lets forget about that for a moment and look forward. What needs to be done now to make air travel safe knowing that these kind of weapons are out there and in the hands of not very reliable militant groups, how do you make flying safe Going Forward . Well, jim, i think this is pretty much a wakeup call. These systems, the sa11 isnt just in the ukraine. Youve got parts of it in syria, you can come across the border in iraq. Youve got hundreds of missing shoulderfired weapons from libya that are going through africa and in these areas of conflict, whether nigeria or the caucasus, these planes are vulnerable. This is a seachange, we just cannot be flying over these places. There has to be better coordination between Intelligence Services and sill air authorities. I mean, that plane should not have been flying over the southEastern Ukraine. A transport had already been shot down. That should have been warning enough, but it was ignored. I think were underestimating these conflicts and its time to catch up. Poppy, an incredible idea, bob making the point, these Weapons Systems not just in Eastern Ukraine but in syria, iraq. As we know there are groups in syria and iraq, isis, the one weve been talking about for a long time, that im sure would have no hesitation aiming at civilian aircraft. There are planes flying over these regions as we speak. And this is something that really questions policy a and International Policy in terms of these aircraft. Well be talking with a civil pilot. Breaking news today also hamas claiming it has captured an israeli soldier. Atika shubert is live with all that. Reporter ill be telling you what the Israeli Defense forces say not only about that possible kidnapping but also the losses they suffered over the last 24 hours when we come back. vo you know that dream. Where youre the hero . Hey. You guys mind warming this fella up for me . Im gonna go back down, i saw some recyclables. Make it happen with verizon xlte. Find a car service. 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