Move it to a Convention Center to accommodate the more than 7,000 people who are expected to show up. Cnn political reporter sarah murray live in phoenix ahead of that event. Were monitoring these comments and well bring them to you live in just a moment from las vegas. But youve learned whos going to be introducing trump later today in phoenix, and its pretty significant. Yeah hes going to have a couple people with him onstage today. The one that you, i believe, are referring to is jemile the father of a young high schooler who was killed by an undocumented immigrant who came here from mexico and was a gang member. Donald trump met with him yesterday in l. A. And hes actually going to be bringing him with him here for this rally today. Theres also going to be another woman joining him onstage. Her son as well was killed by an undocumented immigrant. So you can see the theme here. Donald trump especially beginning to be talking about Border Security and the crime that occurs along the border and thats particularly significant in a place like arizona. Its also significant that hes going to be joined onstage by a big figure but a polarizing figure in arizona and nationwide Sheriff Joe Arpaio someone known for his im immigration policies. I wonder if you think that donald trump knew and intentionally has made immigration the key focus of this campaign or if it happened to him because of those remarks he made. Because in his announcement that he was running, he made a lot of controversial remarks about a lot of different things. Reporter i think this is certainly something weve heard from jump before in his past considerations about whether to run. I think probably even he was surprised to see how many people latched on to these remarks, and then to see him rise in the polls the way he did. I think the combination of those two things have allowed him and his campaign to believe that this is a winning issue for him and it does tap into a group of the Republican Party who is particularly concerned about Border Security. It does absolutely. Sarah, stay with us. Were going to listen in here to donald trump speaking in las vegas for a moment. Started scrambling and i thought probably id have to go outside, and if its a windy day, my hair will be blow. But it is my hair. It is my hair. [ laughter ] you can always tell a dishonest reporter actually a great story. But they said, but he wears the worst hairpiece ive ever seen. I said, i cant even give anybody that story. But that wasnt true. So i thought my hair would be blowing all over the place, because we have about 10,000 people. And its an amazing thing thats happening. Its an amazing thing thats happening all over the country. And for a while, as you know they were saying oh, trump wont run. Theres no way hes beginning to run. Why would he run . Hes not beginning to run. Some people said why would i run . Because i have a nice life. I have a great company. Its just things are sort of easy. And other people said oh hell never want to show his financials. Or hell never want to do this or that. Hell never run. So then i announced im running. Then i wasnt going to file my fec original filing. Because when you do that, youre making a very big step. And i filed it. And then they had oh but hell never put in his financials. Because maybe hes not as rich as people think. Not that it matters, but im much richer and youll see that next week. No youll see. I mean you know its like crazy. It is true. Youve heard that right . Hell never file. Because he doesnt want to show that hes not as rich. I said to myself, i want to show that im much much richer than people say. All right, were going to continue to monitor Donald Trumps remarks here and bring you some more in just a moment. But i do want to go back to sarah murray, who i believe we still have in phoenix, right . Hi sarah. Lets talk a little bit more about this. Because, look trump hasnt even to this point in his latest round of interviews he hasnt ruled out potentially running as an independent. Do you think that that is something that is scaring some fellow republicans even those that might not want him representing their party, think thinkingthink thinking 1992 . I think there are a lot of things that scare republicans about donald trump. That is definitely one of them. We can see that there is very little disincentive for donald trump. Hes definitely tarnished his personal brand. Thats not stopping him. You heard him say hes willing to release his financials. Its clear there are very few things that are beginning to force donald trump to the side. It would be a problem for him, because suddenly he peels away this corner of republicans who are very concerned about immigration, very concerned about Border Security and think donald trump speaks to that concern more so than the other republican candidates in the race. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, sarah. Shell be with us later in the show as we have that live event coming up in phoenix a little bit later. Most controversial comments about immigration. Those remarks linking Illegal Immigrants from mexico to drugs, and to rape. Those have erupted into a raging political debate. Lets talk about some of his comments and take a listen to some of who he told our anderson cooper. Ill build a better wall and mexico will pay. If we bring them out, mexico pushes back people across the border that are criminals, that are drug dealers, Illegal Immigrants coming in are causing tremendous problems. In terms of crime, in terms of murder in terms of rape. If somebodys an illegal immigrant, they shouldnt be here at all. There shouldnt be any crime. Theyre not supposed to be in our country. As anderson pointed out here are some of the facts from some of the studies. Researchers looking into the issue of immigration and criminal behavior after examining the evidence concluding there is essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime. Also, pew research quoting a 2014 massachusetts study finding that the crime rate among first generation imgrants those who came to this country from somewhere else is significantly lower than the overall crime rate in that of the second generation. Lets talk about all of it with ben ferguson and Mark Lamont Hill. Ben, we just quoted two studies. I have a long list, there are a number of studies that point to that same trend. I just wonder how long you think donald trump can stay this high in the polls, galvanize supporters when he is saying things like this that are not based in fact. Well theres a couple things here. One, you look at donald trump. He fell into this. This was pure dumb luck. When he came out in his campaign and started talking without a teleprompter which he bragged about him being brilliant. He had no idea the reaction to his words were going to make this the core center issue of his campaign. So this is not something he preplanned. This is just donald trump, dumb luck. He connected on an issue and he doubled and tripled down on it. The second issue is this. Donald would say i know in response. The person thats going to introduce me, ask them if your studies or your statistics matter because when you have someone thats killed by an illegal immigrant, or an illegal immigrant thats a drunk driver or raped by an illegal immigrant, the study doesnt mean anything to those victims of that crime. He obviously has a very legitimate point to make there. This is resonating with people because there are individuals in this country that have in fact been affected in a negative way by Illegal Immigrants who commit crimes. The same way that this guy had been kicked out of the country more than five times in california who made huge headlines by killing an innocent woman walking with her father. So the studies mean nothing to those families because theyve seen the illegal immigrant who murdered their child in front of them and held them until she died and that is the reason why donald trump is connecting with so many people. Were going to have one of those mothers on who was meeting with donald trump last night. Shes going to be on with us to talk about exactly what ben pointed out. Whats your response to that, mark . Well bens right about one thing here right . That these extraordinary, unusual stories will resonate with somebody because there is a kind of fear in xenophobia around mexican immigrants. There are those who will believe whatever you tell them. So donald trump is playing to the cheap seats, thats absolutely true. But it is important to acknowledge what the studies say. There is no correlation between these immigration patterns and crime. As you pointed out, these populations are actually less prone to criminality than the average american. So, no illegal immigrant is not causing the kind of crime that people are suggesting. And i think donald trump is playing a kind of cynical politics that may play to the cheap seats, but doesnt ultimately get him the Republican Party nomination. Most people will interpret it that way. Hes speaking about mexican people right now. Lets listen in for a moment. You remember the old days with castro when he emptied his jails and sent them all to the United States . Well mexico does similar things in a highly sophisticated and much more sophisticated manner. And we have people in the country, you look at kate, you look at i have a man whos a friend of mine. Jameel shaw. Hes with me. Where are you, jameel . Is he around here someplace . One of the finest people. Where is jameel . Will you come up here for a second . He was on one of the big shows on fox and cnn the other day. I never met jameel. And he was talking about trump. And i said oh no not more. How much can you take . And he was talking me. And then i turned on the sound, and he said theres nobody thats helped us. Weve been forgotten. The parents of children that have been killed by Illegal Immigrants. His son was killed by an illegal immigrant. And i said what he is doing now is so important in honor of his son, just say hello. And just give just a brief description, jameel. Because its so so important. He was with me last night, along with other parents of other children that were likewise killed. Real quick. I dont want to dominate mr. Trump. [ applause ] thank you. Thank you. Yeah i just want to you know like mr. Trump was saying. My son was murdered by someone illegally in the country. They were brought here when they were 4 years old and allowed to grow up like a wild animal pretty much. My son was walking home from the mall one day like everybodys kids do. Go to the mall on sunday afternoon. We went to a football clinic in pasadena on the way home. He asked could he go. I said yeah. Be home by 7 00. Around 7 00 i called him. I said, where are you . He said im going to be home soon. Caught the wrong bus. Be there in about another hour. I said ill get you a car. I called him again hour later. Where you at . Thats what i always say. Where you at . He said im right around the corner old man. Ill be there in a couple minutes. And then i heard two gunshots. I mean it was so crisp, like a gun range. Youd know that crispiness tells you how close it is. And i already knew i had a feeling in my chest. I went outside to see, and he was laying in the street dead. And i found out that the guy who did it was released from the county jail just like in san francisco, on his third gun charge. Somebody illegally in the country who had three gun charges already. Hes in jail now for battery of a police officer, resisting assault with a Deadly Weapon and gave him eight months in the county jail and let him out four months early. The same day he got out, he had the Mexican Mafia orders latino gang members to go out the same day, commit crime so you wont be rehabilitated. So its like an order. You have to go out the same day and commit crimes in the black neighborhood. So my son walking home from the mall, they were coming into my neighborhood just to visit a neighbor. My son ran over there and killed him. Just because he was there. You know he had a guy in the back seat with him that was there just as a reporter to prove that he got out of the car, shot him in the head with a big gun. You know he had a. 45. You can imagine a. 45 into a 17yearold kids head. Dont even have a chance. He was shot in the stomach. While he was laying on his back he had his hands up. They thought he was shot three times because his hands was just really damaged. He had a bullet wound in his stomach and in his head. And they found he was on his back like this and they shot him through his hands into his head. Thats the original hands up dont shoot. We hear the other stuff, you know i mean . [ applause ] that really happened. That really happened. And that day, like mr. Trump was saying, when i saw the tv man, everybody was calling my house. Did you hear what donald trump just said . Like yeah, you know i heard it. Everybody was so happy. My sister was saying for the first time she saw a smile, because i felt hope, you know . I knew there was change coming. People have to change. They want to compete with him. You know you have to change. You cant keep the same path you know . And mr. Trump is willing to go out there and sacrifice, you know his life. Like he said, he doesnt need money, he doesnt need power. Hes powerful already. He has a name. He has what he needs. But he loves america. And i saw that. I could tell. Why else would he be doing this . He loves america. Ae he wants to make it good again. I tell people all the time you know i trust donald trump, because if he can put himself out there like that for black people, because a lot of the latino and black crime is happening in the black community. Used to be all black. Now its all latino. So were pretty much in a different land, so to speak. If he can put himself out for us then i can trust him in everything else. Its like your dad. You know your dad say dont do this dont do that. And, you know you trust him that he knows whats good for you. And i see him almost like a dad. Almost the same age, so i cant really call him my dad. But hes the kind of man that you would want to be your dad. Successful. A loving guy. You see him in tv, you know youre fired, but you see him in real life. Hes a nice guy. I just learned that myself. In my community, i have a lot of black friends and a lot of them are liberals. But theyre ready to vote for trump now. They say, i havent voted in ten years. Havent voted in ten years. But im going to vote for trump. And people feel energized. And we feel happy that someone is willing to go out there and put himself out there for america. You can trust him, too. A spontaneous move there from donald trump speaking at the freedom fest in las vegas, inviting jameel shaw up to the podium. Speaking there. I want your thoughts on this because you just hear jameel shaw get thereupon and say its like your dad you trust him. He puts himself out there for black people. Mr. Trump is willing to sacrifice his life. He loves america. I mean that is powerful unscripted stuff, ben. How does that resonate with voters . Well heres the thing. One, this is raw and real. This isnt prescripted. This obviously is not something that they thought about probably even two weeks ago. And this is the reason why i think donald trump is connecting with people. Because they feel like hes bold and blunt enough and not going to be politically correct. I look at this i believe he honestly believes in donald trump. And if you had a son that was murdered in this way by an illegal immigrant and you see this and one candidate saying im not going to back down and im not going to be politically correct, im not going to be a politician on this issue, you can see why hes drawn to him, unlike all other candidates that seem many times so scripted and so cautious to Say Something blunt, and so concerned they might offend somebody in a certain community. This is exactly why his poll numbers are where it is. Can he keep it up there . I dont think he can. I think hes an opportunist that is seeing an opportunity and hes able to use it to his advantage. Mark . I agree with the last part for sure. Donald trump is an opportunist. I think all politicians are opportunists. I dont hold that against trump per se. But i do think that theres something particularly troublesome, almost unsettling about playing into the fears and anxieties and indeed the pain of families who have lost someone due to a tragedy. Yes, a white politician a white republican in particular who gets a black guy to say trump loves black people its a classic move. It makes sense for him strategically. But i dont think it resonates with black voters. I dont think it resonates with republican voters. I think ultimately it will look like someone who suffered to an awful tragedy and is responding in a certain kind of way. Trump is playing to their needs emotionally. Donald trump is a chameleon. Donald trump is someone that looks at the moment and figures out what side is is the best one for him to pick at that moment. Youve got to remember donald trump has given money to rahm emanuel. Hes given money to harry reid. Hes helped nancy pelosi. Hes given money to Hillary Clinton. This is not a guy thats a traditional conservative or a gop member. Quick break. Were going to be back with men and mark on the other side. A lot to unpack here. Stay with us. Tor. Yes when diet and exercise arent enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55 . Crestor is not for people with Liver Disease or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. Tell your doctor all medicines you take. Call your doctor if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine or yellowing of skin or eyes. These could be signs of serious side effects. Im down with crestor make your move. Ask your doctor about crestor. Developing some of the highest quality, clinically proven nutrition isnt easy so at gnc, why do we do it . 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