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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow And Jim Sciutto April 29, 2020

Studies, another sign perhaps of things getting closer to normal. Sports going to games, but top Infectious Disease doctor Anthony Fauci said sports may have to skip unless theres a plan to keep fans and players safe. As we hit the 1 million mark of cases in the u. S. , confirmed cases, starts are starting to move to reopen. Well hear more details on those plans, how they vary state to state. First, lets get to cnn senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen on this experimental vaccine by pfizer. Elizabeth, emphasis on experimental. What do we know now and how long will it take to know for sure if this is effective . Right, so what we know right now, jim and poppy, is that there are seven candidate vaccines being studied in various parts of the world. The news today, according to the wall street journal, is that u. S. Trials are going to begin of one of those seven. They were already trials going on in germany, so whats interesting here is now there will be trials starting up in the u. S. Again, seven companies or seven teams, i should say, are studying seven different vaccines. Thats a good thing. Its good to have different kinds of vaccines that work in different ways being studied because not all of these are going to work out. Were going to have some duds, thats for sure. Theres 80something more behind them that hope to get to clinical trials. Its good were trying a lot of different things. This has proceeded with lightning, unprecedented speed. However, when we start hearing we can distribute widely by the end of the year or by whatever date, take those with a grain of salt. Thats people looking into a crystal ball. I dont know anyone who has a completely reliable crystal ball. It doesnt exist. Thats for sure. Elizabeth, before you go, talk to us about positive data. Gilead, which makes remdesivir, says they have some positive data from their wider study, there broader study on covid patients, but is that headline totally, you know, does it tell the whole story . You know, it definitely doesnt tell the whole story, poppy. Im glad you asked that question that way, because it doesnt. What were seeing here is that some companies, not all, but some companies are sort of jumping up to give good news about their drugs that are being studied, but when you really dig down, you know, that news is its fine, but it doesnt mean that the drug is going to work. What they say now is that ten days of their drug works as well as five days of their drug. Thats not whats important. Whats important is does the drug work at all . When you compare it to giving nothing, does it work better . Five days, ten days, the point is does it work at all better than just giving a patient a placebo. Until we know that, really, we dont even really need to pay that much attention. What we really want to know is did this drug work well when you compared it with a placebo . Thats what were trying to figure out. We dont know the answer to that question. An important one. Thanks so much for that. Joining us is the president of the Rockefeller Foundation. Theyre working on a new plan to drastically try to increase testing in the u. S. To 30 Million People per week. And you know, thats the question, right . How can we have enough testing to make sure that people are safe to go back to their somewhat normal lives until theres a vaccine . You called your testing plan the 1330 plan. What is it, and is the government onboard . Well, thank you for having me. The Rockefeller Foundation pulled together scientists, industry leaders, former Administration Officials from both democratic and republican administrations, epidemiologists and others, and really put forth this 1330 plan, which we believe is the only safe way to reopen the american economy. And the reason its called 1330 is we have been stuck at 1 million tests per week for about the last three weeks. And we believe we can get from 1 to 3 million tests p s per week america very quickly in about eight weeks time. We can do that by unlocking about two thirds of americas Molecular Testing capacity in small labs and Research Labs and University Labs and laid out a clean blueprint for how to achieve that. We then need to know from 3 million to 30 million tests a week within a sixmonth period of time. We think especially when the next flu season hits in late august, early september, America Needs to be ready with a high level of testing so we can make the distinction between typical flu symptoms and covid19. Otherwise, well be stuck with another lockdown that is causing immeasurable pain and suffering to most american families. The president has made clear that this is not a federal government responsibility, in his view. He said its about to the states. You have said this would require a major coordination between manufacturing distribution. Is that possible . Youre talking about a tenfold jump here. Is this possible without a national plan, national resources, National Coordination . You know, we have laid out a plan that requires the federal government to make some very significant leadership actions, and requires states and localities to do their part. For example, we have asked every state to create an Emergency Operation center to monitor lab capacity in their state and identify which labs are not fully utilized. Right now, there are a lot of labs in america that are simply underutilized and to come up with ways to bring them online, improve their capacity to report results quickly, and quickly accelerate Testing Capacity through such state action. We have also asked for the federal government to have a blanket reimbursement level of about 100 per test that would be available to people whether they are in network or out of network. Right now is not a time for Insurance Industry distinctions. Its a time to come together and make the Resources Available so testing can be ubiquitous and accessible and perhaps most importantly, we have suggested that the federal government should be a part of a Public Private collaboration where we bring together all of the labs in this country and engage in longer term, larger scale purchase orders that have real financial backing from foundations like the Rockefeller Foundation, and we have committed resources, but also from major american banks and the federal government because thats the only way were going to get the 10 to 30 times increase in the manufacturing side and the supply side to have available test kits and necessary equipment. Are they onboard, doctor . I mean, have you heard from the white house . Have you heard from the Decision Makers on this . We have. We have worked closely with m members of the administration as well as with states and localities around the country, and ill be honest. There are important political disagreements that are in my view slowing down progress. And what we have proposed is we just need to come together against this really pragmatic and practical set of actions and start focusing on the number of tests per week and getting it up to the 30 million over the six months. And the path we have laid out allows the federal government to participate in an important way but isnt entirely reliant on the federal government using, for example, the defense production act at a very large scale. We believe that this is a pragmatic, responsible approach that doesnt need to be the subject of partisan disagreement. And frankly, america doesnt have time for partisan disagreement right now. We just have to get this job done. And we have a very specific proposal that the Rockefeller Foundation is proposing, almost 15 million to help implement and bring people together to solve what we think is the biggest barrier to reopening the economy in the United States. Okay. Well, we wish you luck. We know its going to be tough, doctor, thanks very much. Thank you for having me. Lets get to california and what the governor there is saying about plans to reopen. Cnns Stephanie Elam joins us from los angeles. Theres a reopening plan, but its a pretty gradual one, is it not . Oh, its very gradual. For all the people who wanted to get a haircut, thats not until phase three, and thats month away. Lets go in order. Starting with phase one, thats where we are now, the part where were preparing to have the emergency people able to go to work, that they have the ppe that they need, all of that protective equipment. That all of the essentials are getting done, and those people can work. Then he says its not going to be too much longer. Weeks, not months, until we move to phase two. Thats when you could see some nonessential businesses start to come back online. Perhaps retail, manufacturing, these businesses. Also, hes talking about getting day cares back online, and some School Programs back online. He also floated the idea of school not starting again for the next school year at the end of july or early august because of the loss of learning due to the pandemic and also then thats when they could open up maybe some hiking trails and the like, public spaces people like to enjoy. However, its going to be months, not weeks, until we get to phase three, where he talked about personal care. So the gym, getting a haircut, getting your nails done, all of that hes saying, that would be when it would come back in phase three, but it would not be the same way as we saw it before. In fact, none of this is about looking the way it was done before. This is all about a new world and how we operate in it. So to that point, phase four is when you could see basically going away from the stayathome orders and you could see then you could have your concerts and your big conventions and also those live sporting events, and for a lot of people, those live sporting events really do bring a sense of normalcy. Thats months away because theyre saying you would need to have a vaccine and since we dont have any of those therapeutics yet and thats month away, obviously, its likely we wont see any live sporting events for a while. A shame. A lot of people looking forward to that moment. Thanks very much. Floridas governor is set to lay out his statewide reopening plans later today. Rosa flores joins us again in miami beach. So whats open, whats not, and what are we looking at for the state . Hey, poppy. Well, parks and some walkways like the one im in right now are opening here in miami beach. And theres restrictions, but if you look at southeast florida, the counties of miamidade, broward, and palm beach, they got together. They approached it in a regional plan to reopen at the same time, because they know that people in these three counties drive to and from these counties on a regular basis. Now, there are rules. And they are posted. Face coverings are required. Social distancing of at least six feet is also required. And then there are hours of operation, only 7 00 a. M. To 7 00 p. M. And because seniors are essentially vulnerable, there will be hours for seniors as well so they can enjoy these walkways and also some of the views. Now, the beaches are closed. And this is one thing that these mayors from these three southeast florida counties emphasized, is whenever they reopen the beaches, theyre also going to do it together because they know that beaches attract a lot of people, so the signage very clear that beaches are closed. As for the state plan, were still waiting for Governor Ron Desantis to make that announcement, but were expecting a press conference some time today. Jim and poppy. Of course, rosa, thanks so much. Also new this morning, the navy is launching what theyre calling a broader investigation into the uss roosevelt the Aircraft Carrier hit hard, of course, with so many sailors contracting coronavirus. This as some of those sailors begin to return to the ship. Well, this is after the chief of Naval Operations recommended the reinstatement of the captain, brett crozier. This is part of the navys effort to remove nearly all of the 5,000 sailors onboard until all tested negative for the virus. Officials tell us the investigation effectively delays that navy recommendation that crozier be reinstated as commander of the ship. Still to come, airlines are now urging passengers to wear face masks on planes. What about social distancing . Yeah. 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The other big problem, experts suggest we stay six feet apart, which is, of course, almost impossible on a plane. How do we stay safe when we fly . With me now is the professor of Mechanical Engineering at purdue university, and a correspondent covering the story for us. If i could begin, i want to show some animation here that gets at the challenges of keeping the spread in check in confined spaces of an airplane. Heres one person breathing, throwing up, you know, the virus in effect around the plane and how quickly it spreads. So how does wearing a mask solve the problem in such a confined space space . Is it possible . Does it solve the problem . Yes, jim, it is possible because when you wear the masks, and then the droplets will be captured by the mask. Although the efficiency is not very high, i believe the majority of the particles will be captured in the mask. And therefore, when you sit side by side with another passenger, then the infection rate will be very low. And therefore, its really crucial to have everyone put their masks on when you enter the airport, because the risk is not in the airplane but also during the checkin procedure, going to the gate, and especially during the boarding and deplaning procedure. And at that time, because the people crowd close to each other and stand in close distance, thats a dangerous period. I want to be clear here, because many times on the broadcast, doctors, Health Care Professionals have said really to block the vast majority of particles and droplets, you need a high quality n95 mask as opposed to a cloth surgical mask or the kind of cloth masks people have been making. To be truly effective, particularly in the confined space of a plane, do you need to be wearing one of those professional health masks as opposed to something more makeshift . Yeah, either you wear n95 masks, you wont be able to capture 99. 95 of the particles, especially the small size of the particles with that diameter about one micron meter. But when you were just even yourself made a mask, which might not be able to capture really, really small, tiny particles, however, you can capture still larger particles with the diameter like 20 microns. And i believe those larger particles contain a lot more virus than small particles. And thats why even cdc recommended we should keep social distancing of six feet, and that is really to keep larger particles away from us. So pete, you flew twice yesterday. A lot of this is going to come down, i imagine, to how comfortable people are just doing this. What practices did you see on the plane, Walking Around the terminal . Was everyone wearing a mask . Did they try to sit apart from each other on the plane . How did it work . Its interesting you ask about masks because it was hard to find someone yesterday who wasnt already wearing a mask, even those thee airlines are now providing masks to passengers and jetblue requiring it, calling it the new flying etiquette. Heres my experience, washington to atlanta yesterday and back, passengers were maintaining relatively good social distance in the waiting area, skipping every few seats. Waiting at the gate. The jetway was a pretty elongated line. The plane was only about maybe a third or a quarter full. So it was pretty easy to not take a middle seat, and frankly, it was pretty easy to take your own row. It seems like the flight crews are really keyed in on this. Some are trying to help people move around. Initially i was in an aisle seat. I ended up moved to my own row. So airlines are keen on trying to help passengers as they pass through. You know, the interesting thing is, tsa numbers show that passenger travel is actually ticking up slightly after it kra cratered around april 3rd. Now were wondering whether or not passengers are getting comfortable with the idea of flying again. Before we go, theres been a lot of talk about and science that shows that th

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