Made him stronger and is there a disconnect between the powers at be and the rest of america . Plus, new yorks top cop on capitol hill on the capitol hill shooting, i should say, and the search for terror suspects in brussels. Weve got a lot to get to and well get to all of it tonight. I want to begin with cnns chief correspondent dana bash. You have news on the Cruz Campaign. Whats going on . The name of the game is to keep donald trump from getting enough delegates to get the nomination outright and i am told by a top aide to john kasich excuse me, john weaver, that they have been trying to work behind the scenes with ted cruzs campaign to do that, coordinate. Not only that, that mitt romney, the gop nominee from 2012, reached out to jeff rowe, the Campaign Manager for ted cruz, to try to get him to call the Kasich Campaign. So he was trying to be a behindthescenes broker to get these opponents to get together for their common enemy. Heres the problem, though, don. The Cruz Campaign, they are not biting. They simply do not think its worth it. They dont think its in their interests and that it wont benefit them to work with john kasich on any level. So right now, its not going anywhere. I talked to another republican source who is also trying to be a gobetween. But so far, they are not biting. But the fact that this is an attempt just goes to show you how hard and how far another piece of evidence, i should say, of how farther both willing to go to try to stop donald trump. The Cruz Campaign views the Kasich Campaign as a spoiler. Exactly. So lets talk about wisconsin now, dana. Yeah. Shaping up to be a bruising battle. How important is it to both republicans and democrats . Very, very important. First, lets just start with republicans. What we were just talking about, ted cruz is hoping to win and win begin. They are 42 delegates in wisconsin. The idea bng that if he does that, it will make it very, very difficult. Not impossible but very difficult for donald trump to get the 1,237 delegates he needs before the convention because there are only a few other winnertakeall states if you look at the calendar and trump would really need to get all of those. Thats why its so, so critical on the republican side. On the democratic side, its really tight. You know, there arent a lot of polls that show that either is either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders is pulling ahead right now. The Clinton Campaign remembers in the not too distant past, they got pretty surprised in michigan when Bernie Sanders won there and the sanders campaign, they are hoping for another one. And again, the same goes for the sanders campaign. They feel if they can win in a state like wisconsin, where there are certainly a lot of College Campuses and young people, classic Bernie Sanders voters, it will be harder for the Clinton Campaign to try to put him in her rearview mirror. So dana, you know, its a dogfight out there for candidates. Donald trump is threatening to sue my home state, louisiana. Can you believe, politics are crazy in louisiana. Whoever heard of that. No. Never. Right. Yes. It seems as though they might be backing down inside trump world on a lawsuit but they are definitely not happy because politics is really down and dirty still when youre talking about these delegates and the voters are going out there. They are voting in each state. But then there are a lot of complicated rules in how each state then takes the allocation of how each candidate does and turns them into delegates and what happened in louisiana is the trump campaign, they feel that they were not involved in a critical meeting that allocated marco rubios delegates. Of course, hes not in the race anymore. And that, you know, that cruz iced him out. The Cruz Campaign said, look, we outmaneuvered you. This is how politics are. Get in the game. Thats what its all about. But it just under scores how every single delegate counts now and that is where another fight is being played really behind the scenes at all of these conventions and meetings going on within the states that have already voted and as to how the delegates are allocated. Dana, i know someone who is dying to get into this conversation, hugh hewitt. Hello to you. What do you make of danas news about the Kasich Campaign trying to coordinate with ted cruz to defeat trump. I have heard it. Dana is the first to report it. My hat is off to her. Im not surprised. She has the best sources. I also heard that governor romney was acting as a gobetween campaigns. I had heard it but wasnt willing to go with but i wanted to hear it from someone like dana. Republicans who are not aligned with any camp are working overtime to make the convention boring by scheduling delegate debate calls in the afternoon and morning so that there are not nighttime riots and nighttime fights because Donald Trumps not going to get to 1,237 and they dont think that ted cruz can get there on the second ballot, which means youve got to start balloting early or youll have chaos. So i hate to tell me friends at cnn, its going to be a dull Cleveland Television set because the republicans dont want to fall into a 1968 in chicago situation. But weve got people like me, weve gone anderson, wolf, jake, we have hugh, dana, weve got a lot of people who we can fill in the gaps with. So it will be its still going to be interesting. I want to continue to ask you about danas reporting and what you have heard as well. Is it a mistake, do you think, hugh, for cruz to turn kasich down . Why not cooperate with him . First of all, john kasich pulled off his advertising. It was constant today. Right now, ted cruz doesnt have to cooperate with him in wisconsin because ted cruz is going to win wisconsin. Im pretty confident of that. Ted had a really good week running up. Hes got the same Donor Network and activist network that Governor Walker did. Where they are going to have to cooperate is in california. In june, there are 54 elections out here and where ted cruz may be strong in a few districts, i expect john kasich to do better. In liberal districts up north, they are not going to want to overlap or spend money beating up on each other. They want to get to cleveland. They dont want donald trump to get to 1,237. I expect that cooperation only implicitly. Ted cruz is going to win wisconsin. I asked dana about wisconsin and i want to ask you a little bit more about wisconsin. You know charlie sikes, right . Oh, yeah. Last week you tweeted out a threat to spill the beans of the wife of ted cruz, heidi cruz. You followed it up by tweeting out a picture that insulted her looks. You know, wouldnt it be a good way to start off your Wisconsin Campaign by saying that wifs should be off limits and that you apologize for mocking her looks . Well, by the way, i think its true, actually, charlie. But you know, if you remember, melania my wife was a very big successful model and she did a cover shoot for gq magazine and it was a little provocative. It was gq and he was she was a model. But what they did ted cruz knew totally about. He says he didnt know about it he totally knew about it. He knew these people. So is this your standard, that if a supporter of a candidate does something that is despicable, for you, a candidate for president of the United States, to behave in this same way . Does this hurt, fighting over their wives . Charlie sykes is the most influential talk show host in wisconsin. Hes a professional. And donald trump did very well in an interview for which he may not have been adequately prepared because charlie is nevertrump. Were not never trump people but Charlie Sykes. They are going to follow Charlie Sykes a lot. Thats why i think ted cruz is going to win. The conservative network in wisconsin is deep. They have five elections over five years or three elections over three years, i cant quite remember what it is, every register voter is known and crosstabbed and the cruz voter machine and opinion makers like Charlie Sykes make a big difference. I absolutely agree. I got to meet sykes way back when scott walker was a president ial candidate. Remember that . I did a profile on walker because, as you said, hugh, sykes kind of is the voice of the conservative movement, certainly on talk radio in wisconsin. But i think more than them following sykes, he knows the republican electorate and that they are not thats the point that he was making to trump, that they are not into this namecalling thing and your wife is this and her face looks like that. And it was pretty interesting to see cruz himself after he really engaged and got into the mud and defended his wife and defended himself and so forth last week, reset today and he did it even on the stump but even more so in an interview with our colleague sunlen serfaty. That doesnt seem to be like an accident. Can we play that . Sure. Yeah. Let me tell everyone what its about. Ted cruz denying some of the tabloid allegations of him cheating. He addressed them on friday, saying that it was garbage and then today with sunlen. Listen. Last we talked on friday, you said you were not in the habit of supporting someone who attacked your wife. Are you prepared to definitively say you will not support donald trump if he becomes the nominee . Well, as you rightly noted, i am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my family. Donald trump is not going to be the nominee. We are going to beat him for this nomination. So dana, before you continue, though, we saw this with marco rubio just before he dropped out of the race. Is it getting harder, do you think, for ted cruz to hold to that pledge that they all signed to support the ultimate republican nominee . Yes, of course. Its getting harder for him. Its getting harder for a lot of republicans in the nevertrump movement. However, at the end of the day, they are all going to have to look into the mirror and look into their souls and figure out whether they prefer a donald trump or a Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Obvious lea obviously, more likely at this point, Hillary Clinton. Thats going to be the end of the story for a lot of them. Some will say, you know what, im just going to be neutral. Im not going to say, which means effectively that they are not backing donald trump or maybe even privately voting for Hillary Clinton. Who knows. But i do think that not on that particular answer but broadly, the fact that cruz is trying to kind of pull back from the mud is, for a lot of reasons, one, it doesnt help him at all in general. But specifically in a place like wisconsin, he doesnt want to sully things in a place where voters are turned off by that, even more than other places. Were out of time. It was a great conversation. Appreciate having you, especially dana. Hugh, you know, youre okay. Thank you. You have a hugh and dana reunion. You love that. Its always a pleasure. Thank you very much. Thank you. Dont forget, cnns wisconsin town hall is tomorrow. Ted cruz, john kasich and donald trump take questions from voters in a town hall event moderated by Anderson Cooper right here at 8 00 p. M. 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What do you think of that . Its like were living in i dont know what. A banana republic. Its crazy. I mean, is he still on fox . Yes, i think hes still on the air. Is that an inkind contribution to ted cruz . I dont know. I think that donald trump would get a kick out of it because he likes attention, right . He would redirect it. He would fault the impersonation. Id like to ask you the latest from the campaign trail now. Did you ever think wed be listening to two candidates running for president of the United States fighting over their wives . Not not in our lifetime, no. Its incredible. And also the National Enquirer is at the center of it and it just keeps going. Your earlier segment i mean, trump is standing by whatever hes standing by on his tweets and cruz is fascinating because he called trump a sniveling coward for attacking his wife but doesnt have the guts to disown trump as a potential nominee. Thats sort of cowardice, too, isnt it . You look at the latest cnn poll, 73 of hes viewed unfavorably by 73 of women. This is an opinion poll. Do you think this is his achill achilles heel . It could be. Id like to know about the other 27 that have no problem with him. Ive learned bun thing in this election cycle, we cannot predict anything. Hispanics, africanamericans but we just dont really know whats going to happen. Yeah. Do you remember sitting here and having a conversation with me about taking trump seriously and saying that he could potentially be the nominee . Do you remember that conversation . I do remember it. Did you laugh at me . No. I agreed with you. You did . I never felt he could be elected president but now im beginning to worry about that. You have written about what you call trumps fearmongering. Weve had three big terror attacks in the last four months, paris, san bernardino, now brussels. Do you think that this works in Donald Trumps favor . Does it play to his strong suit about being strong on terrorists . I fear it may with some part of the electorate and i worry, as i think a lot of people do, they dont want to say it out loud if there were a big terrorist attack that was threatening to americans near the election, would people be looking for a strong man in their panic and fear . No one behaves well when fear is the motivating factor. Youve seen the new york times, right, from yesterday . Yes. His int views about Foreign Policy . About Foreign Policy. So the question is, do you think it will hurt him in the long run because he appears to have so little Foreign Policy knowledge or experience . To people like us, certainly. But i think theres a group of people who like trump who feels were sick of the experts, theyve screwed everything up, they got us into iraq. Im speaking for them, not myself. Lets have someone who is a strong man, a gambler and running it like the apprentice. Its shocking but some people are so fed up, they want that. You have an article out where you write about the epic failure of the Republican Party, the establishment to take on donald trump seriously and to stop in. The pillars of the establishment failed to turn back the trump insurgency because they have no balls . Because they have no credibility . Because they have too little support from voters in their own party . Because they dont even know who these voters are or how to speak their language. How did they miss this trump phenomenon . They are not in touch with their own voters. The fact is, the establishment fielded three candidates. Jeb bush, chris christie, marco rubio. They all went belly up. Why did they think that voters would want them . Trump is trying to hijack the party when, in essence, the establishment is trying to hijack the voters from trump or cruz. A lot of people say that trump would be a disaster, ruin the party but they are still going to support him as a nominee. It makes absolutely no sense. If you feel that way, you should say right now, forget it. Were not going to stand by him and have the civil war right now. But they dont have the guts or the other word i used to do it. On the democratic side. Uhhuh. Do you think that Bernie Sanders has a point . Hes complaining a lot about hes been complaining, i should say, about the super delegates and in order for him to have any sort of pathway to the nomination, hes going to have to pull a barack obama, what he did in 2008 and get some of those superdelegates to come back over to him or to say, you know, maybe theres somebody else besides Hillary Clinton. Do you think he has a point . I do. Id say although sanders and trump are very, very different, they b