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She is going to do nothing for the hispanics. Shes only going to take care of herself, her husbands, her consultants, her donors. These are the people she cares about. She doesnt care. Clinton firing back, accusing trump of bigotry as well. So lets go right to cnns jim acosta. This is a major change in trumps stance on deportation tonight. Heres what he said in an interview. No citizenship, that i pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, theres no amnesty as such, but we work with them. Now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out but when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject and ive had very strong people come up to me be really, really great people come up to me and they have said to me, i love you, mr. Trump, but to take a person who has been here for 15 years and throw them and their family out. Its so tough. This is a reversal. This is not a softening. Oh, no, this is way more than a softening. This is wilting. During the primaries he called for a mass Deportation Force that would round up 11 million Illegal Immigrants and remove them from this country. Now hes saying the ones in this country, the undocumented who have been law abiding can stay in this country, as long as they pay back taxes. He is saying thats not amnesty but a lot of conservatives within the Republican Party will say that is amnesty. And so donald trump is going to have to deal with that over these next several days. We understand in phoenix in the next several days he will deliver a speech on immigration where we expect him to give more details. He didnt go much into the details in this speech here in jackson, mississippi tonight. He only said his upcoming shift on immigration will not hurt american jobs and that sort of thing. He didnt talk about the details that he did in this interview on fox news. But, don, as you mentioned, one other sort of omg moment here and donald trump has these every couples of weeks, youll recall a couple of weeks ago when he said president obama was the founder of isis and later he said he was just being sarcastic about that. Listen to what donald trump what had to say at this rally here in jackson where he essentially called her a bigot. Here is what he had to say. Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. Shes going to do nothing for africanamericans, shes going to do nothing for the hispanics. She doesnt care what her policies have done to your communities. And donald trump was reading from a teleprompter, that line Hillary Clinton is a bigot is in his prepared remarks. So this is not something he has ad libbed, he has been veering off script and saying all sorts of thing this was not one of those moments. S. This was in the script and he delivered it as it was prepared. The other thing we should point out is this perfectly tees up donald trump for all sorts of criticism in the coming days. This is a candidate who said mexicans immigrating to this country were rapists. He said a mexicanamerican judge could not fairly handle the Trump University case, that was considered by many to be a bigoted comment or a racist comment. To come out and call Hillary Clinton a bigot is going to open him up to that. Thank you, jim acosta, i appreciate it. Thank you very much for that, jim acosta. We appreciate it. I want to bring in mark preston, dana bash, patrick healy. Okay. The New York Times correspondent. Dana, were listening to jim. He didnt essentially call her a bigot. He called her a bigot tonight. Yes and it was in the teleprompter. It was not something that was kind of a classic trump offthecuff remark that gets him into trouble. It was delivered you done on purpose. Theyre trying to be provocative, not something unusual for donald trump, but doing so as he is trying to make inroads himself with the Africanamerican Community by and with hispanics, with minorities in general by raising questions about what Hillary Clinton and democrats in general have really done for those communities as opposed to the lip service that theyve paid. You can argue the merits of that, and we will for the next two months, but that kind of term certainly is getting him the press that he wanted. I want you all to listen to Hillary Clinton. This is her with Anderson Cooper talking about his responding to Donald Trumps bigot comment. It reminds me of that great saying that maya angelou had that when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time. And donald trump has shown us who he is and we ought to believe him. He is taking a hate movement mainstream. Hes brought it into his campaign. Hes bringing it to our communities and our country and, you know, someone who has questioned the citizenship of the first africanamerican president , who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who attacked a judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass Deportation Force is someone who is very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. Patrick, considering what she just said and bringing up the litany of things she considers to be bigoted, is it wise for donald trump to go down this i know you are but what am i road . This is dangerous. Its coming at a time when donald trump is drastically softening his language on immigration, trying to make this strange overture to black and hispanic voters by saying what do you have to lose by voting for me and now hes going back to injecting this racially charged language. She has been and her allies have suggested he has been bigoted for a while now. That stuff sticks in his craw, sort of always does and now hes hitting back. Hes going to mississippi to sort of punch her on this but its one of those things that tends to overshadow Everything Else that he says, as hes trying to make these prepared remark speeches, hes using teleprompters and having prepared remarks at all of his rallies. That was in the teleprompter. It was. It used to be these freeform chaotic rallies. Hes been trying to button up the last two weeks and then he makes a remark like this thats clearly calculated but it overshadows everything. Whats the strategy behind a remark like this, mark preston, and do you believe its a working strategy . I look to see what is the strategy behind it. The beginning of the week he gave a lot of praise to the Trump Campaign for cancelling that speech on immigration, allowed the media to attack Hillary Clinton. Directly on her emails and directly on the foundation. Allowed the media to attack Hillary Clinton. What weve seen tonight, though, is after a few days he has taken the spotlight and stolen it back and pulled it towards him. To use really racially charged attacks like that by calling Hillary Clinton is bigot is an overreach, a big overreach on his part. In many ways, it desensitizing Everything Else hes trying to say or calls into question what hes trying to say. If you dont believe that, it overshadows the attacks hes making on Hillary Clinton as somebody who is not fit to be commander in chief. Thats a turn around. Desi i guess the strategy was for him to be safer and not to say sort of outlandish things but this is a complete turn around, talking about the deportation thing, dana. I read it for jim accosta earlier. He says, no citizenship. Let me go a step further. Theyll pay back taxes, theres no amnesty as such but were going to work with them and he said people coming up to him saying theyve been here for 15, 20 years, you cant just send people out. Whats your reaction to this . You know, had we not had the hint starting on saturday and sunday from the Trump Campaign that he was moving in a direction pour like this this, i would be more shocked. But even though we knew Something Like this was coming, to see those words that came from donald trump is still really kind of unbelievable. Im just kind of give you context of what its like to be a former republican opponent of donald trump, people who were pushing this and were told by trump and Trump Supporters that that is amnesty period, end of story. Isnt this already on the books . Is this the policy thats already in place or pretty close to it . Well, its what people who were pushing for comprehensive immigration reform, some of them, some of them wanted to go to full on citizenship republicans like paul ryan have suggested absolutely. Let me give you a quote which i thought summed it up. An ally of ted cruz said to me this would be like ted cruz suddenly saying im for obama care. Thats the way that they look at this, what a shift it is because its such a core issue for donald trump. It kind of reminds me of 2012 and mitt romney saying i dont like obama care and president obama saying obama care is essentially romney care. In massachusetts. It has your name on it. Yeah, this is thinking about romney, too, an ultimate etch a sketch for donald trump. Phrase about mitt romney sort of moving to the general election. Donald trump won the republican nomination by going to rallies and saying those 11 million illegals are gone, theyre gone. Lets put it up and well talk about it. Were going to keep the families together. We have to keep the families together. But youre going to keep them together out . They have to go. Were going to have a Deportation Force, youre going to do it humanely. Youre rounding them all up. Were rounding them up in a very humane way and a nice way. And theyre going to be happy because they want to be legalized. Im sure these are very, very fine people. Theyre going to go and were going to create a path where we can get them into this country legally. So to your point, patrick. I mean, its as close to a flip flop as i think weve seen as close to a flip flop . It is a flip flop. Come on. Im a New York Times guy. You have a guy saying were going to deport all 11 million. Now to danas point he was sort of setting up a softening the other day. That is the direction he was going. The weird thing about this, don, this is going to get a lot of play out on fox. He was sort of crowd sourcing. He does this at his rally sometimes, now, what do you think about deporting them, now what do you think about keeping some of them if they dont have criminal records. And he is tossing this souout. What is clear is he is softening his position, saying we have to make a decision soon on this. This is what Hillary Clinton told anderson about this change tonight. My understanding is the comment you just referred to is the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. Somebody has told him, i guess the latest people that hes consulting, how damaging his statements have been, how terrible his deportation plan is, how offensive his views on immigrants have been since the very first day of his campaign. So hes trying to do kind of a shuffle here. But i think we need to look at the entire context. We need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw out every immigrant in the country and certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that its just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isnt as, you know, devastating to his campaign as his comments and his positions have been up until now. Mark preston, isnt the danger here that he is turning away the core supporters on that hard line and then he gives his opponent fodder for more criticism . I think weve become desensitized to donald trump saying one thing or monday, changing it on tuesday and Something Different on wednesday. We are did he sent there are a lot of centrist moderates who are saying this is the donald trump that i want to lead the Republican Party if in fact he wins in november. This is the donald trump we were all hoping for after he won the primary that would moderate his positions that we can then get behind. This is the donald trump thats okay at the top of the ticket. So even though were very critical of the fact that he is changing his positions, its a change that is actually going to be embraced by more republicans than repulsed by more republicans. More specifically to your point, don, those who have joined the donald Trump Campaign, those who are backing him they have nowhere else to go. Theyre going to stay with donald trump because they still believe he is going to make America Great again. 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Yeah and youre gonna fist pump to that . announcer vo dont get fooled by cut rate networks. Get the best. And now get up to four free Samsung Galaxy phones, four lines, and sixteen gigs for just onefifty. Only on verizon. Donald trump suggesting a major shift in his immigration plan, exception to allow some immigrants stay in the country. Patrick i want to talk to you about the piece you have in the New York Times. Dana bash, you were part of a phone call, right, with donald trump and where he says, and this is a quote from you, he says i have been staying on message more now because ultimately im finding i do better with voters, do better in the polls when im on message. That was in a telephone interview on tuesday with you. Right, right. He basically sort of fully acknowledged that he was losing, falling in the polls when he was doing these sort of twoweek period that he now said he regrets of attacking and launching and throwing mud every which way and that since Kellyanne Conway and steve bannon have come on board, you know, he finds basically theyre not telling him, okay, youve got to do this and were imposing this message on you look that, but he feels like theyve sort of created this message together where he has these prepared remarks at a rally, hes always using his teleprompter and staying on message. Donald trump likes Nothing Better than to be able to say im going up in the polls. Its like hes been in a depressive state he only listens to the polls. The polls have told him youre losing, you need to change. So who better to run his campaign than a pollster. And a woman. Thats a whole different story. First of all when he said that to you, did you almost drop the phone . For donald trump to say you know what, i should just stay on message because it actually works. Thats the reason why politicians stay on message. However, he has done so well, at least did up until he got the nomination being his own guy. That was what made him donald trump. Its tough. Its hard to change. Mark preston, weve been talking about it on the show, critics have been saying he needed to change and stay on message. He didnt listen to his critics. He said his critics were antitrump, surrogates said he was antitrump but when the polls fell, he said maybe i need to listen to the polls. Right, and it took him a while, they have been dropping since the republican convention. Donald trump has again become this politician that republicans potentially, those who have been sitting on the sidelines, could get behind. Mark, can i put the polls up to give our viewers some context as youre talking about it. This is our new battleground poll out of arizona. Latinos 18 , made up 18 of the electorate in 2012. Shows clinton with 57 of the hispanic vote compared to 20 for trump. Trump holds a 5point lead over clinton in arizona. He has Kellyanne Conway, who better to lead your campaign than a pollster. So she must be reading something into these polls. Continue on with your answer. Lets take a step back. We look at those polls there, don that have just come out in the last 12 hours or so showing whats happening in the battleground states. When trump talks about reaching out to the minority community, let me give you numbers about the idea that he could get africanamericans to support him. In droves. Barack obama won 93 of the black vote in 2012, 95 of the black vote in 2008 when he was first elected. The hispanic vote, democrats have easily won the hispanic vote if you go as far back as 1980, the closest republicans ever came was george w. Bush in 2004, he came in within 18 points of john kerry that year. And if you go back to 2012 when barack obama ran against mitt romney, mitt romney lost the hispanic vote by 44 . When donald trump is talking about reaching out to minority communities, its a smart thing to do for the Republican Party, but to donald trump its really about reaching out to disaffected voters who dont think he is soft enough, and have not made up their minds yet. Dan rather and others have said hes reaching out for people they feel may be a bigot. And in the focus group, people were saying hes a little racist, we dont like this. So then on the other side now we have Hillary Clinton with this email and the Clinton Foundation problem. But the email, she spoke to Deportation Force<\/a> that would round up 11 million Illegal Immigrants<\/a> and remove them from this country. Now hes saying the ones in this country, the undocumented who have been law abiding can stay in this country, as long as they pay back taxes. He is saying thats not amnesty but a lot of conservatives within the Republican Party<\/a> will say that is amnesty. And so donald trump is going to have to deal with that over these next several days. We understand in phoenix in the next several days he will deliver a speech on immigration where we expect him to give more details. He didnt go much into the details in this speech here in jackson, mississippi tonight. He only said his upcoming shift on immigration will not hurt american jobs and that sort of thing. He didnt talk about the details that he did in this interview on fox news. But, don, as you mentioned, one other sort of omg moment here and donald trump has these every couples of weeks, youll recall a couple of weeks ago when he said president obama was the founder of isis and later he said he was just being sarcastic about that. Listen to what donald trump what had to say at this rally here in jackson where he essentially called her a bigot. Here is what he had to say. Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. Shes going to do nothing for africanamericans, shes going to do nothing for the hispanics. She doesnt care what her policies have done to your communities. And donald trump was reading from a teleprompter, that line Hillary Clinton<\/a> is a bigot is in his prepared remarks. So this is not something he has ad libbed, he has been veering off script and saying all sorts of thing this was not one of those moments. S. This was in the script and he delivered it as it was prepared. The other thing we should point out is this perfectly tees up donald trump for all sorts of criticism in the coming days. This is a candidate who said mexicans immigrating to this country were rapists. He said a mexicanamerican judge could not fairly handle the Trump University<\/a> case, that was considered by many to be a bigoted comment or a racist comment. To come out and call Hillary Clinton<\/a> a bigot is going to open him up to that. Thank you, jim acosta, i appreciate it. Thank you very much for that, jim acosta. We appreciate it. I want to bring in mark preston, dana bash, patrick healy. Okay. The New York Times<\/a> correspondent. Dana, were listening to jim. He didnt essentially call her a bigot. He called her a bigot tonight. Yes and it was in the teleprompter. It was not something that was kind of a classic trump offthecuff remark that gets him into trouble. It was delivered you done on purpose. Theyre trying to be provocative, not something unusual for donald trump, but doing so as he is trying to make inroads himself with the Africanamerican Community<\/a> by and with hispanics, with minorities in general by raising questions about what Hillary Clinton<\/a> and democrats in general have really done for those communities as opposed to the lip service that theyve paid. You can argue the merits of that, and we will for the next two months, but that kind of term certainly is getting him the press that he wanted. I want you all to listen to Hillary Clinton<\/a>. This is her with Anderson Cooper<\/a> talking about his responding to Donald Trumps<\/a> bigot comment. It reminds me of that great saying that maya angelou had that when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time. And donald trump has shown us who he is and we ought to believe him. He is taking a hate movement mainstream. Hes brought it into his campaign. Hes bringing it to our communities and our country and, you know, someone who has questioned the citizenship of the first africanamerican president , who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who attacked a judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass Deportation Force<\/a> is someone who is very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. Patrick, considering what she just said and bringing up the litany of things she considers to be bigoted, is it wise for donald trump to go down this i know you are but what am i road . This is dangerous. Its coming at a time when donald trump is drastically softening his language on immigration, trying to make this strange overture to black and hispanic voters by saying what do you have to lose by voting for me and now hes going back to injecting this racially charged language. She has been and her allies have suggested he has been bigoted for a while now. That stuff sticks in his craw, sort of always does and now hes hitting back. Hes going to mississippi to sort of punch her on this but its one of those things that tends to overshadow Everything Else<\/a> that he says, as hes trying to make these prepared remark speeches, hes using teleprompters and having prepared remarks at all of his rallies. That was in the teleprompter. It was. It used to be these freeform chaotic rallies. Hes been trying to button up the last two weeks and then he makes a remark like this thats clearly calculated but it overshadows everything. Whats the strategy behind a remark like this, mark preston, and do you believe its a working strategy . I look to see what is the strategy behind it. The beginning of the week he gave a lot of praise to the Trump Campaign<\/a> for cancelling that speech on immigration, allowed the media to attack Hillary Clinton<\/a>. Directly on her emails and directly on the foundation. Allowed the media to attack Hillary Clinton<\/a>. What weve seen tonight, though, is after a few days he has taken the spotlight and stolen it back and pulled it towards him. To use really racially charged attacks like that by calling Hillary Clinton<\/a> is bigot is an overreach, a big overreach on his part. In many ways, it desensitizing Everything Else<\/a> hes trying to say or calls into question what hes trying to say. If you dont believe that, it overshadows the attacks hes making on Hillary Clinton<\/a> as somebody who is not fit to be commander in chief. Thats a turn around. Desi i guess the strategy was for him to be safer and not to say sort of outlandish things but this is a complete turn around, talking about the deportation thing, dana. I read it for jim accosta earlier. He says, no citizenship. Let me go a step further. Theyll pay back taxes, theres no amnesty as such but were going to work with them and he said people coming up to him saying theyve been here for 15, 20 years, you cant just send people out. Whats your reaction to this . You know, had we not had the hint starting on saturday and sunday from the Trump Campaign<\/a> that he was moving in a direction pour like this this, i would be more shocked. But even though we knew Something Like<\/a> this was coming, to see those words that came from donald trump is still really kind of unbelievable. Im just kind of give you context of what its like to be a former republican opponent of donald trump, people who were pushing this and were told by trump and Trump Supporters<\/a> that that is amnesty period, end of story. Isnt this already on the books . Is this the policy thats already in place or pretty close to it . Well, its what people who were pushing for comprehensive immigration reform, some of them, some of them wanted to go to full on citizenship republicans like paul ryan have suggested absolutely. Let me give you a quote which i thought summed it up. An ally of ted cruz said to me this would be like ted cruz suddenly saying im for obama care. Thats the way that they look at this, what a shift it is because its such a core issue for donald trump. It kind of reminds me of 2012 and mitt romney saying i dont like obama care and president obama saying obama care is essentially romney care. In massachusetts. It has your name on it. Yeah, this is thinking about romney, too, an ultimate etch a sketch for donald trump. Phrase about mitt romney sort of moving to the general election. Donald trump won the republican nomination by going to rallies and saying those 11 million illegals are gone, theyre gone. Lets put it up and well talk about it. Were going to keep the families together. We have to keep the families together. But youre going to keep them together out . They have to go. Were going to have a Deportation Force<\/a>, youre going to do it humanely. Youre rounding them all up. Were rounding them up in a very humane way and a nice way. And theyre going to be happy because they want to be legalized. Im sure these are very, very fine people. Theyre going to go and were going to create a path where we can get them into this country legally. So to your point, patrick. I mean, its as close to a flip flop as i think weve seen as close to a flip flop . It is a flip flop. Come on. Im a New York Times<\/a> guy. You have a guy saying were going to deport all 11 million. Now to danas point he was sort of setting up a softening the other day. That is the direction he was going. The weird thing about this, don, this is going to get a lot of play out on fox. He was sort of crowd sourcing. He does this at his rally sometimes, now, what do you think about deporting them, now what do you think about keeping some of them if they dont have criminal records. And he is tossing this souout. What is clear is he is softening his position, saying we have to make a decision soon on this. This is what Hillary Clinton<\/a> told anderson about this change tonight. My understanding is the comment you just referred to is the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. Somebody has told him, i guess the latest people that hes consulting, how damaging his statements have been, how terrible his deportation plan is, how offensive his views on immigrants have been since the very first day of his campaign. So hes trying to do kind of a shuffle here. But i think we need to look at the entire context. We need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw out every immigrant in the country and certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that its just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isnt as, you know, devastating to his campaign as his comments and his positions have been up until now. Mark preston, isnt the danger here that he is turning away the core supporters on that hard line and then he gives his opponent fodder for more criticism . I think weve become desensitized to donald trump saying one thing or monday, changing it on tuesday and Something Different<\/a> on wednesday. We are did he sent there are a lot of centrist moderates who are saying this is the donald trump that i want to lead the Republican Party<\/a> if in fact he wins in november. This is the donald trump we were all hoping for after he won the primary that would moderate his positions that we can then get behind. This is the donald trump thats okay at the top of the ticket. So even though were very critical of the fact that he is changing his positions, its a change that is actually going to be embraced by more republicans than repulsed by more republicans. More specifically to your point, don, those who have joined the donald Trump Campaign<\/a>, those who are backing him they have nowhere else to go. Theyre going to stay with donald trump because they still believe he is going to make America Great<\/a> again. Donald trump has become something he has said over and over and over again that he will never become and thats a politician. I have to get to the break. 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And now get up to four free Samsung Galaxy<\/a> phones, four lines, and sixteen gigs for just onefifty. Only on verizon. Donald trump suggesting a major shift in his immigration plan, exception to allow some immigrants stay in the country. Patrick i want to talk to you about the piece you have in the New York Times<\/a>. Dana bash, you were part of a phone call, right, with donald trump and where he says, and this is a quote from you, he says i have been staying on message more now because ultimately im finding i do better with voters, do better in the polls when im on message. That was in a telephone interview on tuesday with you. Right, right. He basically sort of fully acknowledged that he was losing, falling in the polls when he was doing these sort of twoweek period that he now said he regrets of attacking and launching and throwing mud every which way and that since Kellyanne Conway<\/a> and steve bannon have come on board, you know, he finds basically theyre not telling him, okay, youve got to do this and were imposing this message on you look that, but he feels like theyve sort of created this message together where he has these prepared remarks at a rally, hes always using his teleprompter and staying on message. Donald trump likes Nothing Better<\/a> than to be able to say im going up in the polls. Its like hes been in a depressive state he only listens to the polls. The polls have told him youre losing, you need to change. So who better to run his campaign than a pollster. And a woman. Thats a whole different story. First of all when he said that to you, did you almost drop the phone . For donald trump to say you know what, i should just stay on message because it actually works. Thats the reason why politicians stay on message. However, he has done so well, at least did up until he got the nomination being his own guy. That was what made him donald trump. Its tough. Its hard to change. Mark preston, weve been talking about it on the show, critics have been saying he needed to change and stay on message. He didnt listen to his critics. He said his critics were antitrump, surrogates said he was antitrump but when the polls fell, he said maybe i need to listen to the polls. Right, and it took him a while, they have been dropping since the republican convention. Donald trump has again become this politician that republicans potentially, those who have been sitting on the sidelines, could get behind. Mark, can i put the polls up to give our viewers some context as youre talking about it. This is our new battleground poll out of arizona. Latinos 18 , made up 18 of the electorate in 2012. Shows clinton with 57 of the hispanic vote compared to 20 for trump. Trump holds a 5point lead over clinton in arizona. He has Kellyanne Conway<\/a>, who better to lead your campaign than a pollster. So she must be reading something into these polls. Continue on with your answer. Lets take a step back. We look at those polls there, don that have just come out in the last 12 hours or so showing whats happening in the battleground states. When trump talks about reaching out to the minority community, let me give you numbers about the idea that he could get africanamericans to support him. In droves. Barack obama won 93 of the black vote in 2012, 95 of the black vote in 2008 when he was first elected. The hispanic vote, democrats have easily won the hispanic vote if you go as far back as 1980, the closest republicans ever came was george w. Bush in 2004, he came in within 18 points of john kerry that year. And if you go back to 2012 when barack obama ran against mitt romney, mitt romney lost the hispanic vote by 44 . When donald trump is talking about reaching out to minority communities, its a smart thing to do for the Republican Party<\/a>, but to donald trump its really about reaching out to disaffected voters who dont think he is soft enough, and have not made up their minds yet. Dan rather and others have said hes reaching out for people they feel may be a bigot. And in the focus group, people were saying hes a little racist, we dont like this. So then on the other side now we have Hillary Clinton<\/a> with this email and the Clinton Foundation<\/a> problem. But the email, she spoke to Anderson Cooper<\/a> about it and gave one of the most concise answers on it to date. Here it is. Ive been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails. What ive learned is when i tried to explain what happened, it sounds like im trying to excuse what i did. There are no excuses. I want people to know the decision to have a single email account was mine. I apologize for it, i would certainly do different if i could. But obviously im grateful that the Justice Department<\/a> has determined theres no reason to continue this further. And i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. So it interesting because i remember having the conversation with Maria Cardona<\/a> and i said after the black journalist thing and i said the answer to that question is so easy, right . And that was the answer she gave. Maybe she was watching you, don. No matter how i tried to answer this question ive answered it 77,000 times and every time i got myself into more trouble. Maybe thats the way to answer it. But see that is kind of you could almost hear the tug of war inside of Hillary Clinton<\/a> as shes answering that question because by nature she obviously is somebody who wants to explain and to deep dive and to give kind of all of the, you know, her lawyerly background all of the reasons why x, y and z is not true. It doesnt work with Something Like<\/a> this. People want to know are you sorry . Are you not going to do it again . Yes. Americans are forgiving. Thats what they want. They want to move on. Just like her refusal in 2007 and 2008 to ever go near for something that sounded like an apology for her iraq war vote. The summer of 2015, she was gritting her teeth, she would not say the emails were a mistake, she would not apologize. Reporters would ask her, will you apologize now . Its been a year of excuses, excuses, excuses. There are no excuses. You see Hillary Clinton<\/a> and donald trump getting on the postlabor day general election message, trying to clean up the things they feel they need to with undecided voters. At least the email story is not going away. If trump comes out, you know just quickly, the one thing that i thought might be something youre going to hear more from the clinton people that she said tonight on the foundation issues, which have been really bogging her down is, okay, you know, maybe there are questions but we dont know anything about Donald Trumps<\/a> never mind his taxes but his business. Its all private. Oh, well. Its easy to say im sorry but im sorry i have to go to the next segment. Mark, thank you very. Thank you very much. Up next, a top trump supporter goes head to head with the clinton deportation plan. Well be right back. Is it a force of nature . Or a sales event . The summer of audi sales event is here. Get up to a 5,000 bonus on select audi models. All providers. Getters. 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I know theres a delay. He said no citizenship, will allot me go a step further. They will pay back taxes, there is no amnesty as such. There is no amnesty but we work with them. Everybody agrees we get the bad guys out but when you go through and meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject and ive had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me and theyve said, mr. Trump, i love you but to take a person who has been here for 15 to 20 years and throw them and their family out, it is so tough, mr. Trump. And i have it all the time, it is a very, very hard thing. Hes talking about working with people who have been here and a path to citizenship. How is this not amnesty . Well, don, you know that mr. Trump, and i think you probably know he has been very successful in business and he is a problem solver. And it does tug at your heart the issues that were facing in regards to immigration and people have spoken with him. I think we all should take a deep breath and wait for his policy speech to be made on this and move forward at that given time. But weve all said all along that we need our border secured. Ive said that for, what, seven years for sure. Secure our border, then we can deal with all these other issues. Governor granholm, how is this not amnesty . First of all, you have to believe that what hes saying tonight is what hes truly going to act upon as opposed to what hes been saying for the past year, which is were going to have a Deportation Force<\/a> and people have to go. If hes not saying that, if hes saying we have a totally different change in plan and all of you people who have supported me throughout my entire campaign, well, not so much. You heard tonight he was at the rally sort of asking the crowd what he should do. Who is this man . If he has a question about a policy, hes going to go to a rally and say should we bomb so and so . Should i press the Nuclear Button<\/a> . I mean, the man is totally unstable. I think thats really clear. And i agree that we should wait to hear what his formal policy is but, honestly, i dont think anyone should buy it. What hes been telling us and his supporters for the past year, thats what he intend to do. To her point, he has been saying for the past year theres going to be a Deportation Force<\/a>. Im wondering how supporters in your state are going to react to that because they were thinking im sure that they were going to deport undocumented immigrants. Well, the people in arizona and the people of america are going to obviously wait to see exactly what his plan is. Bottom line is is that calling him unstable, its donald trump that won overwhelmingly the nomination because he speaks from his heart and he speaks what he thinks, what hes thinking at the given time. And to call him unstable, thats like Hillary Clinton<\/a>, you know, shes a serial tale teller. We can go back and forth. Tonight, governor, were trying to solve and resolve a problem thats been facing america for the last 20 years and the last eight years have been horrendous. We need a solution and we need someone like donald trump to listen, which he has, he has spoken from his heart, he knows the difficulty of it but lets wait and just see exactly what it is. Thats exactly what governor granholm just said. Governor granholm just said we need to secure the border. You want the border secured. The criminals, the cartels, the rapists that the cartels come across with and the terrorists that come across with the cartel, those are the thing s that absolutely in the interest of time, governor, i dont mean to cut you off but we have a short time and i want to spend it wisely. To governor granholms points this is what the bush spokesperson said it is unsurprising that donald trump is finally faced with reconciling his immigration policy with reality, something governor bush predicted last year. Governor granholm, many people were saying having a Deportation Force<\/a> and building a wall werent Viable Options<\/a> because you physically cannot build a wall across the entire southern border and you cannot have a Deportation Force<\/a> legally. They predicted this all along. Its totally ridiculous, those particular policies. The reason why donald trump wants to figure out how to get out of the pickle hes in, which is having created such massive opposition to himself on the part of both those who might otherwise be inclined to vote republican but are uncomfortable with the racial overtones of his campaign and the hispanic vote, you have a poll tonight where Hillary Clinton<\/a> is ahead of donald trump by 27 points among hispanics. In governor brewers own state. It is going to be very difficult for him to try to pull the wool over peoples eyes who have been insulted, judge curiel, who have been called rapists and vilified for the past year. And called drug dealers. Now to soften language and expect people are going to flow back is a very hard sell. Governor brewer, this is the last word here in the interest of time. Does donald trump risk the perception he is becoming everything he has attacked, he is seen as flipflopping on certain key issues that he has initiated from the beginning . No, i dont believe so. I believe, again, that he is a problem solver. Hes going to solve it. Certainly he understands its not only incumbent upon him to work with the United States<\/a> congress to resolve these problems. I would think that the hispanic population certainly have not been their problems have not been resolved in the last eight years of obama and if we have Hillary Clinton<\/a>, the serial tale teller, again, it wont get resolved. We need solutions and donald trump is the man that can do it and he has promised that thats what he would do and i take him at his word. All right, governors, thank you very much. I appreciate you joining me here on cnn. When we come right back, Hillary Clinton<\/a> talks exclusively to cnn to the attacks of the Clinton Foundation<\/a> saying the attacks are a lot of smoke about no a lot of smoke but no fire. Woman its been a journey to get where i am. And i didnt get here alone. There were people who listened along the way. People who gave me options. Kept me on track. And through it all, my retirement never got left behind. So today, im prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. Every someday needs a plan. Lets talk about your old 401 k today. Has made me the happiestotion, i humanoid in the galaxy. Rtgage just push this button. whisper rocket see star trek beyond in theatres. A little bit earlier Anderson Cooper<\/a> did an exclusive interview with Hillary Clinton<\/a>, her first in a month. The candidate leaping to the defense of her family foundation. Listen. He also said today, quote, that you sold favors and access in exchange for cash to people who donated to the Clinton Foundation<\/a>. I know you point to the life saving work for the foundation that the foundation has done over the years, getting lowcost hiv drugs and other things and you deny the charges that mr. Trump is making there, but at the very least there is an appearance of conflict of interest with the foundation. Youve agreed to make changes if elected. Why not have your husband step away from the foundation now . Well, first, what trump has said is ridiculous. My work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside sources. I made policy decisions based on what i thought was right to keep americans safe and protect u. S. Interests abroad, no wild political attack by donald trump is going to change that. And, in fact, the state department has said itself that there is no evidence of any kind of impropriety at all. I think it important to recognize that the foundation, which does do lifesaving work and is so well respected here in our country and around the world has been doing this work for a number of years, and in 2009 they took steps that went above and beyond all legal requirements and indeed all standard requirements followed by every other Charitable Organization<\/a>, voluntarily disclosing donors, significantly reducing sources of funding, even to the point of, you know, of those funding being involved in providing medication to treat hiv aids, and i think that the announcements that the foundation has made really reflect its desire to continue as much of its important work as possible but to do it in a way that provides Great Disclosure<\/a> and although none of this is legally required, the steps go further than the policies that were in place when i was secretary of state. And its important to remember, anderson, the foundation is a charity. Neither my husband nor i have ever drawn a salary from it. You know more about the foundation than you know about anything concerning Donald Trumps<\/a> wealth, his business, his tax returns. I think its quite remarkable. Why was it okay for the Clinton Foundation<\/a> to accept foreign donations when you were secretary of state but it wouldnt be okay if you were president . Well, what we did when i was secretary of state, as i said, went above and beyond anything that was required, anything that any Charitable Organization<\/a> has to do. Now, obviously if i am president , there will be some unique circumstances and thats why the foundation has laid out additional, unprecedented didnt those unique circumstances exist no, no. You know, look, anderson, i know theres a lot of smoke and theres no fire. This a. P. Report, put it in context. It excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders, plus countless other meetings with u. S. Government officials when i was secretary of state. It looked at a small portion of my time and it drew the conclusion and made the suggestion that my meetings with people like the late great elie wiesel or Melinda Gates<\/a> were somehow due to connections with the foundation instead of their status as highly respected global leaders. That is absurd. These are people who i was proud to meet with, who any secretary of state would have been proud to meet with to hear about their work and their insight. You heard Hillary Clinton<\/a>s defense of her family foundation. When we come back, i want to talk about her answers. How did she do . Ist. It just kind of like, wiped everything clean. My teeth are glowing. They are so white. Crest [hd]. 6x cleaning, 6x whitening. And at two weeks superior sensitivity relief to the leading sensitivity toothpaste. I actually really like the two steps crest [hd]. Step 1 cleans, step 2 whitens. Its the whole package. No ones done this. 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Look, there are real problems in terms of disclosure. I dont think they actually adhered to their memorandum of understanding. But on the issues that shes addressing, the notion that people were paying to play and the a. P. Article illustrated that, i think shes dead right. The first example was mohamed eunice, who is one of the worlds true heros. Hes a longtime friend of mine, a Nobel Peace Prize<\/a> winner, hes worked to give global credit all over the world. And the Prime Minister<\/a> of bangladesh was trying to destroy him. It was absolutely appropriate for secretary clinton to try to help him in every way she could. This wasnt because he was bribing the foundation in some form. Another example that came up was the crown prince of bahrain. Bahrain is an ally of ours that has been engaging in ruthless repression. The belief is that the crown prince is one of the reformers in that country and i think she was probably trying to support the reformers in that camp. It didnt work but, again, i dont think that had anything to do with paying to play. Well talk more about the Clinton Foundation<\/a>. What about her answer on emails . This is the answer she should have given months ago. Shes been digging herself deeper and deeper. Lets listen. Ive been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails and what ive learned is that when i try to explain what happened, it sounds like im trying to excuse what i did. And there are no excuses. I want people to know that the decision to have a single email account was mine. I take responsibility for it, ive apologized for it. I would certainly do differently if i could. But obviously im grateful the Justice Department<\/a> concluded there was no basis to pursue this matter further and i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. David axelrod said that was the best answer she gave so far on that. Do you agree with him . This is a selfinflicted error, not only that she presumably set up the separate account because she wanted to avoid foia requests and then she provided all these absurd explanations why she was involving multiple devices, which were unpersuasive. She mischaracterized Colin Powells<\/a> statement and finally we have her saying what she should have been saying months and months ago. Donald trump has been sharpening his attacks against Hillary Clinton<\/a>, particularly talking about the Clinton Foundation<\/a>. Let listen. She wants to sell out American Security<\/a> to the Clinton Foundation<\/a> for a big, fat pile of cash. Its hard to tell where the Clinton Foundation<\/a> end and where the state department begins. Fair criticism of the foundation . I think its true that there were blurred lines between the foundation and secretary clinton and her office in the state department but theres no evidence that people were paying the foundation for benefits from the state department. Theres no sign of any quid pro quo. So were there apparent conflicts . Absolutely. Did she manage them poorly . I think so. But no evidence of quid pro quos. At the end of the day, this is a foundation thats had a huge impact on aid world wide. A Charity Watch<\/a> gives the Clinton Foundation<\/a> an a grade, the best rating. Yet the optics on this new report doesnt look good but it seems selfinflicted. She went on to say you know more about the Clinton Foundation<\/a> and what that i dont take a salary from it than you know anything about Donald Trumps<\/a> finances or taxes. Its frustrating for those of us who look at Global Health<\/a> issues, the foundation has done fantastic work on provides aids meditation. Micronutrients, the least sexy way to save childrens lives around the world and yet because that work has been obscured because they did not adhere to this memoranda of understanding that they had with the obama administration. They appeared to try to hide some incoming monies being funneled through the canadian office, for example. If she becomes president , should they close it down and move it off to another ngo maybe . I think they probably should. I admire a lot of what the foundation has done but at this point, its obviously a huge distraction. Thank you, nicholas kristof. When we come back, donald trump and Hillary Clinton<\/a> trading incendiary charges. He calls her a bigot. She fires back saying hes peddling prejudice, bigotry and paranoia. We have more when we come right back. Pcountries thatk mewe traveled,t what is your nationality and i would always answer hispanic. So when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. Im everything. Im from all nations. I would look at forms now and wonder what do i mark . Because im everything. And i marked other. Discover the story only your dna can tell. Order your kit now at ancestrydna. Com. Real is touching a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. Theres only one place where real and amazing live. Book a seaworld vacation package and eat free. This is cnn breaking news. Breaking news, a major shift from donald trump on immigration. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton<\/a> blasts him in an exclusive interview with cnn. This is cnn tonight, im don lemon. Trump in an interview saying there would be no amnesty but promising to, quote, work with undocumented immigrants. And in a blistering speech in mississippi, he calls Hillary Clinton<\/a> a bigot. She fires back accusing trump of peddling bigotry, prejudice and paranoia with our own Anderson Cooper<\/a>. I want to bring in mark preston and miss dana bash. Lets start with the word bigot on the campaign trail tonight. Heres donald trump. 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