Lets get right to our breaking news. Brianna keilar is here. Also elise labot. Both candidates were talking National Security. What stood out to you . A number of things but one of the things that donald trump said that i think stood out for a lot of people was him having to answer for his comments about how he knows more than the generals. This was the exchange between him and matt lauer. The generals under barack obama and Hillary Clinton have not been successful. Do you know more about isis than they do . I think under the leadership of barack obama and Hillary Clinton, the generals have been reduced to rubble, they have been reduced to a point thats embarrassing for our country. You have a force of 30,000 or so people, nobody really knows, but probably 30,000 people and i can see The Great General George Patent Spinning in his grave as isis we cant beat. Certainly we have discussed this, don, there are some in the military who may want to see more action but donald trump did not really answer the question there which was basically saying that he knows more than the military. He did not address that at all. And then the other thing was pretty surprising, it was a tweet that he doubled down on, an old tweet where he had talked about sexual assaults in the military and he had said what did these geniuses expect when they put Men And Women together . That was the second half of the tweet after a report on sex assaults. He has been struggling mightily with women. So its surprising that he chose to double down on that. To double down. Said that was accurate. May have been a better answer, i dont know what would have been. Hillary clinton was asked right out of gate about the emails and her private server. And a considerable part of this, maybe about a third of the forum that was Hillary Clinton, she was answering questions about her emails, including from a man who had handled as part of his profession, Classified Information and he asked her about potentially endangering National Security through her practices and she chose to parse her words, talking about Classified Material, meaning that she didnt transmit Classified Material, something that would have a header on it that said top secret, for instance, versus Classified Information, which doesnt necessarily have to have a header, like you would see on the classified email system. Here was her answer. First, as i said to matt, you know and i know Classified Material is designated, it is marked. There is a header so that there is no dispute at all that what is being communicated to or from someone who has that access is marked classified. And what we have here is the use of an unclassified system by hundreds of people in our government to send information that was not marked, there were no headers, there was no statement, top secret, secret or confidential. I communicated about Classified Material on a wholly separate system. I took it very seriously. The fbi said Classified Information was transmitted over that server. Thats really the factual problem for Hillary Clinton. It was also interesting that she went almost against her own advice for herself. She had recently said when asked about this she said, you know, i find that when i try to explain myself, which she clearly wants to do, right, i find that when i try to explain myself, it comes across as if im making excuses for myself and she sort of fell into this trap that even she outlined recently that some people said that was her best answer for the emails, which was, you know, my bad, im not going to make excuses, im not going to explain it, i would have done it differently. Lets move on. Big news between an exchange between colin powell and Hillary Clinton about private email use. Talk to us about that, elise. Two days after she was worn in as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton and colin powell exchanged emails about communicating between servers. Those emails were released tonight. Clinton asked powell what the restrictions were. Powell respond here i dont have a blackberry. What i did have was a personal computer that was hooked up to a private line. Sounds ancient, because it is, it was an aol account so i could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some of the senior folks in the State Department and foreign leaders on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels. He goes on to warn that theres a danger that if she uses a blackberry, it could become a Public Record and subject to u. S. Laws. Now, democratic congressman Elijah Cummings released that Exchange Tonight saying powell advised secretary clinton with what he called a detailed blueprint on how to skirt Security Rules and Bypass Requirements to preserve federal records and he said clinton didnt rely on powells advice but clinton has cited powells advice to justify her use of a private email server. Powell has been pretty up front about his use of the aol account, he wrote about it in his book, he acknowledged sending clinton the memo about it. Hes been voicing a lot of frustration that the clinton camp was trying to pin her email problems on him. Not sure if Elijah Cummings did clinton any favors tonight. Any of this news regarding the Elijah Cummings and also coming out of this forum, does that change the dynamics of this race at all do you think . I dont know. You mean on the emails . I dont know if it does because it seems to me that or anything, what he said about women, what he said about the generals, what she said on emails, any of it . Its hard to know. I would say its very welcome that they were there to talk policy. I think there were a number of people that were probably undecided and were maybe in the middle of the spectrum, dont really like either candidate, trying to figure things out. I think for some people watching both of these candidates answer questions is going to be very important but at the same time, i think if you talk to people in the clinton campaign, ultimately they think its the economy thats going to determine it. They think their Temperament Argument against donald trump is going to determine it and for Hillary Clinton when it comes to Foreign Policy, just making the point that shes more well versed in the issues, that shes more fluent in it even though Trump Supporters have said not necessarily here or as they were setting up in the break it is very difficult because she is so well versed at policy and he is at the heart of business. Whether or not she has one strong Foreign Policy achievement to herald, which we havent really seen one, it seems like every kind of liability might have a little bit of a positive lining and vice versa in Foreign Policy and that she has with president obama. She has a lot of experience compared to donald trump, who has said things over time that are outrageous or ill informed, which Hillary Clintons campaign loves to highlight, she loves to highlight in ad. She has a leg up on him there. Thank you both. Thank you, brianna. Thank you, elise. I appreciate it. Now i want to turn to the issue that donald trump has been trying to put in the Rear View Mirror for months now and thats his tax returns. Phil mattingly has the latest. Reporter donald trump claims he cant release any of his tax returning while under Routine Audit, even as the irs has made clear theres no legal requirement for trump to withhold them. Im under Routine Audit and when the audit is done, ill released my returns. Reporter even his own lawyers note his 20022008 returns are complete. And his own running mate, mike pence, preparing to release his taxes this week. Ill give mine to yall this week and hes going to provide his after a Routine Audit is done. Trumps refusal has drawn sharp attacks from Hillary Clinton. Clearly his tax returns tell a story that the American People deserve and need to know. And despite trumps contention, a series of polls show voters do in fact care about trumps tax returns. So what exactly arent voters seeing . Voters could see the type of Taxable Income that he has, whether its ordinary income or Capital Gains income. Voters could learn how much he has given to charity. Reporter a cnn review show four potential areas that may shed light on trumps reluctance. Number one, trumps charitable giving. Washington post review of trumps personal charitable donations has raised major questions of what trump has actually given. Despite trumps bold claims to the contrary. This is my check for 1 million. Reporter number two, trumps tax rate. Its an issue that dogged the republican partys 2012 nominee for months. Trump has made clear as a businessman hes done everything in his power to pay as little tax as legally possible. I pay as little as possible. I use everything single thing in the book. Reporter but trumps involvement with real estate raises the possibility that he pays nothing at all. An obvious benefit is that a taxpayer who owns property, real estate, a building, can trade that property for another building and as long as that property is going to be used for Investment Purposes or in business, the taxpayer wont pay tax on the gain at all. Reporter in fact, cnn has identified at least three years, 1978, 1979, and 1984 where he definitively paid zero dollars in federal income tax. Documents show another two years, 1991 and 1993 where trump likely paid little to no income tax as well and when asked about it during the campaign, hes been hardly forthcoming. What is your tax rate . Its none of your business. Reporter the third potential area is trumps net worth. Now to be clear, a few years of tax returns wouldnt should light on whether trump is actually worth the 10 billion he claims. But it would show trumps net income and adjusted gross income, providing more detailed insight than the Financial Disclosure form filed by trump in may. And last but perhaps most importantly for trumps opponent, a detailed release of trumps returns would provide a window in his business connections. Maybe he doesnt want people to see hes got some connections. Trumps own lawyers making it clear trump is the principal or sole owner in approximately 500 separate entities that engage in hundreds of deals every year. For the moment, however, there is little indication that trumps returns will be revealed before election day. Though trump himself appears willing to make a deal. In the meantime, she has 33,000 emails that she deleted. When is she going to release her emails . She probably knows how to find it. Let her release her emails and ill release my tax returns immediately. Reporter i asked a clinton adviser what they thought of that deal, if it was a real possibility. The answer was simply a laugh on the phone. Dont expect that to happen any time soon. The reality of Donald Trumps position here is there is also a political calculation at play. He is running for president after all. I spoke to one trump adviser who made clear, they dont see the upside to trump releasing those tax returns. While he can absolutely release them tomorrow or whenever that audit ends, its very unlikely its coming any time soon. Thank you very much for that. When we come back, donald trump says voters dont care about his tax returns, but is he wrong and could it cost him in november . Will donald trump release his tax returns before election today . What do voters think of all this . Here to discuss, author of Secrets And Lies in the terror wars and also betsy mccoy, a former Lieutenant Governor of new york and a donald trump supporter. I want to you listen to what trump said yesterday talking to abc news. As far as my taxes are concerned, the only one that cares is the press, i will tell you. And even the press, its not a big deal. You dont think there are any voters out there i dont think so. I think people dont care. This is a Suffolk University poll, betsy, that says to the contrary what trump has said. 78 say donald trump should release his tax returns and 14 say he shouldnt. It shows that voters do care. Does that change anything for you . Let me express my view, which is that i hope he does not release his tax returns. If he does, the next 62 days will be spent picking apart his tax returns. Im much less interested on what hes earning hold on all right, betsy, of course its going to be spent picking over it. Thats what we should do. Thats what journalists should do. Its not what we should do. Its obscuring the much bigger issue, this economy is limping along at 1. 2 . People are suffering. They need more takehome pay. You dont think we can walk and chew gum at the same time . I dont think we can if theres nothing in the tax returns, why wouldnt he do it . Much adieu about nothing . Ill tell you why they want to do it. Its something called tax shaming that professional politicians love to engage in. Theyre demanding Donald Trumps tax returns because they pay a top tax rate. Business leaders like donald trump or Mike Bloomberg who never released his tax returns when he ran for mayor, the fact is they have income, revenue, they have Investment Tax Credits it sounds as if youre setting it up to say hes at paid zero tax not zero but i suggest its very likely that he has paid a lower rate than the top rate. Whats wrong with that . I got to get kurt in. The New York Times is all set to pounce. Theyve already said they want to see whether donald trump, and this is a quote from the times, has used deductions not available to the ordinary filer. Well, theyre available to any filer who builds a building or puts money at risk. If i could pay less taxes, i certainly would. Let me ask betsy one quick question. Have you seen his taxes . No, i havent. Then why do we care what you speculate is in them . Because the reality here is betsy, i let you talk a long time. You asked me a question. Reality is that donald trump has the absolute power. Lets give him the audit argument. He has the power to release the first two pages of his 1040 and his schedule a. Those are like releasing the list of chapters in a book. You could show that, it would answer 90 of the questions. Ive asked the Trump Campaign for it. They refuse. I asked the Trump Campaign for the irs letter notification of audit. They refused to produce it. Ive already written a long story about the number of times donald trump has lied under oath. I dont believe there is an audit. But, kurt, he did release a Financial Disclosure last may. Why is that not enough for you . Betsy has it right here. I do. And its full of information. Not to get too technical but thats the equivalent of a Balance Sheet versus an income statement. Thats right. What donald trump released in his Financial Disclosure does not get to the issues that are raised by a tax return. And saying that, well, these both have numbers on them, it doesnt get to the very issue. He can release three pages, its all we should be pushing for. Let me point out let me ask him one more question, before you get in, betsy. What do you have to say about this tax shaming and thats all we would do is spend this time up until the Election Picking apart Donald Trumps taxes and shaming him for having a low tax rate . If betsy thinks the American People are so stupid that they cant listen to what somebody pays in taxes and cant understand that somebody with deductions gets deduction, well, then thats the opinion of the Trump Campaign. I never suggested that the American People are stupid. But i do then tax shaming is irrelevant. Whats to be ashamed of if people will understand it . People will understand it, betsy. The Trump Campaign needs to give the American People some more credit and release this information and stop this nonsense about tax shaming. The New York Times have already suggested that if donald trump uses deductions not available to the ordinary filer, theres something wrong with that. Stop repeating yourself. Hes a rude man. Here are the excuses youve given. Theres an audit, there are Financial Disclosures, there will be tax shaming, the Ne