Tweets against Alicia Machado. He said why would i have regr s regrets, im a very truthful person and im telling the truth and people understand it now, and before the tweets people didnt understand it, talking about Miss Universe gaining weight and going through that, and then sort of suggesting, again without offering any evidence that she participated in a sex tape and she was not quote unquote the girl scout that Hillary Clinton has made her out to be. But he also sort of took that and he made this sort of broader argument that miss clinton uses women like machado for basically her own political ends and he got into bill clintons Extramarital Affairs and what he seeing is the attacks on the women over the years and was really going on about it and i challenged him on a couple points and he said about ms. Clinton, quote, shes nasty, but i can be nastier that she ever can be and it felt, like, don, he was really setting coming upcoming into their debate really trying to lay the groundwork at least to try to kind of unsettle her more and bounce back from his own uneven performance. One thing i did press him on was sort of why he thinks he has sort of standing to go after the clintons on their marriage since he has had three marriages himself. He had a pretty wellknown affair with marla mappels when he was married to his first wife, ivana trump, and he i asked him if he ever cheated on any of his wives and he said no, i never discuss it, i never discuss it, it was never a problem. And hes really kind of emphasize the that in fadefadel was never a problem in his marriage and i pressed him on the marla maples relationship, and he said i dont want to talk about it, i dont want to talk about it, and saying what bill clinton did with his indiscretions was far more worse than what he did. Its mindboggling he double and quadruples down with the former Miss Universe. Phone what the strategy is behind that. Before we move into the in fadellities, let me ask you about that. What does he think hes accomplishing by doing this, and do people understand what hes doing . Do they approve of this strategy . Are they pushing him do it . Right, its a great question. What he said i asked him you know does he think talking about this helps him with undecided women voters, i asked him pointblank and he said i think it helps because instead of seeing this girl as a girl scout, they find out what kind of girl she is, speaking of Alicia Machado, and ask him like how do these predawn tweets help him win the presidency. Because don, its five weeks out. Everything a candidate normally is doing is about you know winning ohio and florida and north carolina. I asked him how do you these tweets at 5 00 a. M. Help him win the period sresidency, and he s no, no, i do what i do. Look, she made he said Hillary Clinton, she made this young lady into a girl scout and she was just the opposite of girl scout. You really get the sense again even five days in, donald trump is really still under his skin. Yeah. So the interesting thing is, is that so he you know, his intent and what hes doing is shaming this woman on multiple levels fatshaming her and a number of other things. When it has been said even during the you remember when the controversy with his wife and the nude pictures, you shouldnt shame people for what they do for a living, or for their pasts, i mean, is it isnt there a glass house sort of analogy here that he isnt even taking into effect into account . I mean, i think for him, don, ive seen this over and over covering him. He just sort of gets galled when he feels the clintons are trying to gain some moral high ground. His nickname for secretary clinton is crooked hillary. Your point is very well taken. I just know from his point of view and clinton was very effective of baiting him in the debate, sort of the notion shes treating him in highhanded way about the loan by his father and it gets him going. I want to talk now about this strategy. Hes saying you know hes eye think what youre saying is hes going to be much nast ier, i dont want to put words in your mouth, but what about his threat to confront ms. Clinton with her husbands infidelity . Republican strategists warned him he doesnt believe this is a smart thing to do. He seemed to int mate thats what hes going to do. It seems he wants to bring something to the fight in his hip pocket and hes not showing what weapon hes got. Hes sort of making these veil threats about sort of throwing this in her face and i asked him, you know, is it hard Chelsea Clintons 36. Hes used Chelsea Clinton as this excuse that thats why he didnt raise bill clintons infideli infidelities. She was there when it happened. I said look is it hard, do you choke in a way when youre like having to be up there and he just sort of stuck to the Chelsea Clinton argument. But what hes doing, don, i mean its very clear the strategy isnt about winning over, you know, whites suburban women in columbus, ohio, in places where he needs the voters, where republicans usually get them. Its about trying to knock her off balance. He really feels some of the people around him felt like you know she did get the better of him at certain moments in the debate and it galls him so hes blaming the microphone quite a bit and i think theres sort of a hope of playing some sort of like you know siops strategy. Patrick helaley speaking wi donald trump saying hes not ashamed of really shaming the former Miss Universe over his twitter rant that happened overnight and also saying blaming some of his debate performance on a microphone. Lets talk about that fiek monemone microphone. The Commission Said there was a problem with his microphone, but not on television, and not anything that should have thrown him during the debate. How is he responding to that . The commission is saying there was an issue with the audio in the hall and trump is talking about the mic. Im not a technical genius, but it sounds like the commission is talking about the way his voice was broadcast, and trump kept saying someone someone was backstage moduleating the level on his mic, because Melania Trump was signaling from the audience there was some kind of problem with hearing him and he basically sort of felt like hes work audio hes given speeches for 35 years, he knows when mics are working when and when theyre not and he sensed that it wasnt and he wanted to stop the debate but he felt like he couldnt do that because 100 Million People were watching and it would be strange. There were no commercial breaks so there was no way to fix it so what he said, don, was that 50 of his thought process during the debate was focused on the mic. So when Hillary Clinton was making her attacks and when he was giving, you know, some answers they people have credit teak critiqued pretty negatively, hes saying 50 of my thought process was going to this mike problem. Yeah. I had a similar thing happen at the debate in las vegas, a mic was working in the room but not on television and people in the audience said we cant hear you so immediately i knew only because they were telling me i couldnt hear it but one would think if youre in a debate and youre running as a leader of the free world and you sense your microphone isnt working as they said during the day, we need to start the over, i need more time, shes getting more time, hes getting more time, he would have said, i cant hear my microphone, is my microphone working out there. Youre exactly right. And i dont mean to be cute about, this but debate prep part of what goes to debate prep is dealing with strange logistics that might come up. I dont know if it came in the clinton prep, but i know it did a few years ago, there was talk about what if the mic didnt work and do you stop the debate right then and donald trump sort of very famously insighted that he didnt need to prep the normal way, so he wasnt standing in 41 of a lectern in front of a microphone, and maybe no surprise he doesnt see it that way. Disyou ad you and him if heg to prepare next time traditional way . He didnt get into the lect under issue, but he said he didnt need to prepare better because the mic was the problem if anything went wrong in the first debate, but that hes going to be looking for ways again to bring up policy issues that anderson and Martha Raddatz may not and him about when they moderate the second debates to try to figure out ways to bring up the Clinton Family foundation, benghazi, other targets of his. You know, and then i think you know, hes he is thinking about ways to deal with sort of the clinton marriage and is there a way to do it and the problem, don, as you well know, its a town hall meeting to be throwing really negative ugly details in your opponents face when youre sitting on a stool in front of a group of undecided voters that it can sort of kill the mood in the room to put it nicely. Yeah, is there anything i missed . Did he talk about the debate moderator . Because he blamed half of it on lester holt saying he wasnt so fair to me . Did he talk to you about that . He didnt say anything really new about that. The one thing that he did say that i was sort of struck by was because it struck me at the end of the last debate when they were asked when lester asked the candidate they would support the other if they were elected, and trump said that he would absolutely support Hillary Clinton if she won in november. This time, i said do you stand by that and he said he said i support our country. Were going to have to see what happens. Were going to have to see. So, again, you know, sort of this indication what does that mean . I think its a mind game. I think in a way is he setting up to say if she does win, shes not a legitimate president . I think what hes saying here is that what i said before, is the debate process is rigged, the whole process is rigged that seems to be where hes going with this. Hes been down that path before and i dont think its unfair to and that question. I pressed him on it and he said were going to have to see. Were going to see what happens. Its not birtherism, but there is a sense as we know, he set up the notion of the rigged system, you know, very strong way, so i dont know if hell come back to it. Patrick healey, thank you for joining us here. Patrick healey from the New York Times with brandnew reporting giving us perspective on how donald trump feels about his debate performance and why he went on that twitter tyrait forwarding the former Miss Universe. Well discuss that right after this. Ions largest independent study by rootmetrics, again, verizon is the number one network. Hi, im jamie foxx for sprint. And im jamie foxx for tmobile. both and were just as good. Really . Only verizon was ranked number one nationally in data, reliability, text and call and speed. Yeah. And youre gonna fist pump to that . Get out of my sight. announcer vo unlimited isnt a good deal if its on a cutrate network. 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I dont know why he keeps talking about the debate why he keeps talking about Miss Universe. He lost the debate it. Wasnt a punch, but this miss piggy material he has so many other things that he could go into. I cant believe he didnt mention the staffer. I think Hillary Clinton had a tough september but this last week has been very tough for donald trump. Yeah, rebecca, why does he keep on with this issue . Its a little bit perplexing, don, for him to go from saying in the past few days that all internet polls show him having won this debate, although they are unscientific polls, still some internet polls to saying that it was the microphones fault it wasnt completely focused. It sends an inconsistent word about him, and the Alicia Machado narrative, hes not on the way you would expect a president ial candidate with fewer than 40 days. This is crunch time for these campaigns and hes clearly not zone that he needs to be and as focused as he needs to be on his core message. Theres new poll that shows Hillary Clinton won by 61 to 27 , so, you know, thats and those online polls are not scientific polls. No, theyre not. I want to ask you quickly, what do you think about Patrick Healeys report something. Patrick healeys reporting to me, rebecca hit it when she said this is about trump not being able to stay on message. Part of his a appeal was that he was not a career politician, he was just a regular billionaire from around the way. The problem is hes never run for anything so its hard to under he has to stick to clintons emails, her iraq war vote, not Alicia Machado, and her husbands indiscretions from the 90s and 2000s. Hes never done it. Yeah, well, i was struck in patrick hellys reference to the question of how much donald trump had prepared for the debate, because it was clear not a whole lot, and just today we had a pretty revealing video deposition in one of the lawsuits trump was involved in. The very first question in that deposition which was taken only last january is how much did you prepare for this deposition, and his answer is virtually not at all. Virtually nothing. Did he review any documents, he was asked. No, not at all. He also says in that deposition that he doesnt take notes as a businessman, he doesnt use emails, and he doesnt read leases before he signs them. The question the issue in the deposition was his comments about mexican rapists when he launched candidacy, and whether that caused the restauranteur to pull out of his lease. Did he prepare that statement or write something out . He said no, not at all. Did he consult with smomebody . He said no he wings it as a businessman and hes winging it in a Political Campaign and hes paying the price. Michael, i want you to respond to this. This is a quote from fox news tonight, Newt Gingrich. You cant tweet at 3 00 in the morning. Theres no excuse ever if youre going to be potus. This is Newt Gingrich who has endorsed donald trump, and is a big supporter. Yeah, i think regardless of the back and forth between trump and machado and the merits of what theyre saying, i think the thing that leaps out to everybody is what is he doing in the middle of the night engaged in a twitter storm over this. It i think that is the most striking thing, and probably for many people, even supporters like Newt Gingrich, the most troubling thing. Did crooked hillary help discuss check out sex tape in past, alicia m. , meaning machado, become a u. S. Citizen so she could use her in the debate and another one says using alicia m. As a paragon, a virtue, just shows crooked hillary suffers from bad judgment. Hillary was set up by a con. Wow. This is number leemthree, crook hillary was duped by my worse miss u. , universe, and any time you see a story about me and my campaign saying sources said, do not believe it, they are just madeup lies. So, what do these behaviors tell us about trump and what kind of president he would be . Theicall they certainly rais about being president ial and thats why he lost the debate and Hillary Clinton did come across as being more president ial. I think he won the first half hour. In 2012, president obama lost to mitt romney clearly and at some point he acknowledged it. He didnt keep talking about it so i dont know why trump keeps talking about this and the one thing to remember about the first debate is Alicia Machado, why and who did that. So this is my question michael no, david, is it different because president obama then had been president for four years, had a wealth of knowledge about policy. He could stand back on that. Donald trump doesnt have that same little advantage as a president obama back then. He has to start from scratch on policy, on issues. So, is it feasible that he i guess anything is possible, but its not really an equal comparison is it . I think bobs comparison is useful, but its only feasible, don, if he were to put his mind to it for the next week and really prepare for this debate. Look, president obama and secretary clinton have been doing this for years, th