Seen in my tenure here. And the house investigation completes stalemate tonight, one glimmer of hope, chairman devin nunes and adam schiff planning to talk tomorrow, finally. Can they get their investigation up and running again . Im joined by jeffrey toobin, sally quinn, Founding Editor of on fact, kristin powers and political commentator an draw bauer. Good evening to all of you. Thank you for coming on. It seems like the grownups are officially in the room now. The nate is making it clear that they are going to get to the bottom of russias meddling in the election. They are going to try. Remember, its not just a matter of interviewing witnesses. Its a matter of getting access to documents. Its a matter of getting at some of the most classified material in all of the u. S. Government. Because remember, were talking about russia, which is under National Security agencies surveillance all the time. The nsa never wants to give out this material, especially if it might be made public. Yes, it certainly does seem like the Senate Committee is being run in a serious way, but thats a long way from saying that theyre going to be able to get access to all of the facts which is not only going to be difficult but likely take a long time. Theres so much focus on the dysfunction. Were going to talk about that. Lets talk about the senate first. Heres what we heard from the chairman richard burr and mark ho horner. Listen to this. Its important for all of us here to remember to not lose sight about what this investigation is about. An outside foreign adversary effectively sought to hijack our most critical direcemocratic process, the election of a president. Before we form any opinions, i would hope that thats what you would like us to do, as much as wed like to share minute by minute, even the snapshots we get as a team going through it are not always accurate when we find the next piece of intelligence. So let us get a little deeper into this before you ask us to write the conclusions. Thats clearly something we intend to do down the road. What a difference between these two men and the chaos in the house. Are you confident the senate can handle this, carl . Not particularly. But its a hopeful sign, perhaps. Look, we are witnessing a coverup. The intelligence community, the fbi, knows that the coverup is going on to keep the American People from understanding what occurred in regards to the Trump Campaign, Trump Associates and the russians. Now, whether that means there was criminal activity or not is a different story. But what we are seeing is a concerted effort by the white house, by the people in the campaign, by those in the Trump Organization to keep us from understanding what their relationships are with russians, semirussian government officials and the history of the business relationships between the Trump Organization and the russian epno nationals, et cetera, et cetera. We have seen one i mpediment after another. Thats got to end. Whether or not the senate is capable of doing that or not, given these road blocks that the white house is putting in front of them, very doubtful. We hope so. You said doubtful. We hope so. It seems to be playing out, the investigation in the media, for the most part. In that clip, chairman burr wants to see where the investigation goes. What do you make of that . Well, of course thats the way that it should go and i think were all saying, look at the senate, theyre the adults in the room as compared to whats happening in the house with congressman nunes. Thats a pretty low bar. Im not confident this will lead to a better result. I think this should be handled like a 9 11 commissionstyle inquiry because even with senator burr saying all the right things, remember, he had gotten into some trouble earlier because of the accusation about the relationship between the trump team and russia and he is somebody who was very close to president elect the nominee at the time, President Trump and served as a National Security adviser on his campaign. So devin nunes, its hard to remember but not that long ago, he was very well respected and trusted and expected to run a pretty good investigation. So i think we have to wait and see what happens. Its interesting, it doesnt seem like they are deflecting during the press. We never heard about masking or unmasking which many investigators have said thats just sort of a deflection. The focus was on meddling of the 2016 election. Did you notice that . I didnt notice that. But im glad you pointed it out, don. A couple of things here. If there is in fact concern that the senate or the house arent going to get it right, then im all for a special investigation. I think the American People deserve to know. The truth will set you free. We need to get past this as a country. But if theyre going to investigate, it shouldnt just be on the trump side. They should also look in to podesta and what he was paid down in panama. It should be the uranium deal, the Clinton Foundation, how much they received from the russians, the phone calls that bill clinton what does that have to do with anything . Well, it has to do its not just meddling on one side. Who knows what they were meddling. The clinton uranium thing and every single fact check has pointed out it got four pinnochios from the Washington Post. Theres no truth to that at all. So we just should discount it and its already been investigated and looked into. Theres no reason to look into something thats already been investigated. And we know the Clinton Foundation received money from russia. We know Hillary Clinton received what does that have to do with anything . Hillary and bill clinton are not president of the United States. They are not the president. How do we know russia didnt play both sides . The continual narrative is that trump was somehow collaborating with the russians. Then why didnt he release why didnt they release hillarys emails. She bleached them. The truth will come out at some point. But i think clearly the house is dysfunctional. Nunes cant do this and i agree with kirsten, i just dont think the senate can do it either. I think youve got to have an independent commission. When the story first broke in july, it was debated, hotly debated in the white house about whether or not obama should have an investigation. They even talked about bringing in john, a rm toformer congress to do the debate. This went on and on and the president actually talked to putin a number of times and said, you know, this does not stand. We cant allow this to go on. But he decided against investigating because he thought that it would look like he was trying to interfere in the election. But i think that, given the fact that we dont know anything, the only way were going to find out is to have a special commission which has subpoena powers so that, i mean, if Jared Kushner wants to go and be interviewed, thats fine. But i think that whoever has to go before the commission should be subpoenaed and should be put under oath and should be susceptible to perjury charges if they lied. Kirsten, i want you and jeffrey to get in because, as andre was saying, everything should be investigated but i dont understand what the Clinton Foundation and any of that has to do, jeffrey. Its just like talk radio nonsense to try to distract attention from whats going on with the actual president of the United States as opposed to the candidate who lost. But look, apparently thats going to be the republican talking point here. The key mystery here is you have acknowledged russian attempt to sway the election to trump. You have all these Trump Campaign efforts to ingratiate themselves with russia, whether its Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions or michael flynn, all of them seem to be going out of their way to help one leader in the whole world. Vladimir putin. The question, which is very much unanswered at this point, is whether those two stories connect in any way. Is, was this an attempt to get russia, you know, to ingratiate ourselves with russia related to russias attempt to defeat Hillary Clinton. I dont know. But certainly it seems worthy of investigation. Carl, i want to talk to you about Gloria Borger has this new reporting out about Jared Kushner. Hes planning to tell the Senate Intel Committees about his meeting with sergey kislyak. Kushner and the Transition Team are looking for ways to establish a back channel with putin. So kushner suggested they meet with the head of this bank. This seems different from what the white house originally said, saying nothing of substance was discussed, saying that the meeting with kushner the businessman. Thats who they were meeting with. Theyve changed their story. It goes to bigger question. Donald trump was going to drain the swamp. Instead, what we are seeing is a sewer overflowing in terms of business conflicts of interests between members of the trump family, the Trump Organization, trump properties. The president of the United States who has refused to put his properties into a proper kind of trust or to disperse his investments, get out of the business that hes in and be the president of the United States instead of the head of his company with his family. Its a disgraceful situation. And there are so many tenicales to what is going on about russian interference that we need answerses to and that includes all of the business relationships that donald trump, family, inlaws, et cetera, et cetera have with ethno russians, from russian banks perhaps. We need all of this information and what we know so far from the investigators is that the Trump White House has put every i impediment in their way that they possibly can. Why is that . That is so mystifying if were going to drain the swamp. Everybody, stay with me. The investigation by the House Intelligence Committee at a complete standstill tonight and there are growing questions about the credibility of chairman devin nunes. Ly a deeja. [ laughing ] no way that really is you . If theyre not a cfp pro, you just dont know. Cfp. Work with the highest standard. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. With it, i earn unlimited 2 cash back on all of my purchasing. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Which adds fuel to my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . Tonight, the fbi contradicting devin nunes on the russia investigation. So whos telling the truth . Back now with my panel. Sally, you first. Lets talk about chairman noune and the investigation. James comey dropped a bombshell about the investigation about possible collusion and then nunes decided to focus on the leaks and the unmasking. Heres what ryan lizza is reporting. The white house signal reporting, the white house signal that would happen. Does nunes have any credibility left . Well, heres no. To that question, he has no credibility. Im going to ask it and get back to you. Nunes is clueless, hes corrupt or hes both. Yeah. Those are the only three possibilities. Carl, does he have any credibility left . No. Dirs extekirsten powers . Republicans should stop supporting him. Thats the thing. I dont know how anybody can look at the way that hes behaved and conducting an investigation. Andre bauer . Clearly the arrows have been shot at him to discredit him. But does he have any credibility left . Say what . Hes got credibility left. I know yall are going to hammer on him and with whom . With whom . Not everybody in america is asphyxiated as yall are on all this russian stuff and the meddling and the chaos and everything theyve caused although we still dont know everything theyve done in the election. If you look at the poll from a year ago to now, twice as Many American voters think the country is headed in the right direction and they are not paying attention to this stuff. I know were fixated on it in the media but they are not. The average hard worker is glad to see the country moving forward and i dont know what that has to do with the truth of an investigation, just because they arent fixated when you do talking points this is supposed to be sallys turn. I want to say something. Go ahead, sally. Because its really important here. Okay. When youre talking about johnny lunch bucket, i mean, for the first year of watergate, nobody no other news organizations were picking it up. They were just basically letting the Washington Post out there hang themselves because they didnt want they didnt think it was important. They didnt think that people out there cared, that nobody believed it. And so the post kept going at it and at it and finally what p happened is that Walter Cronkite put it on air and johnny lunch bucket decided that it was a story. So it take as while for this to happen. People are worried about their jobs. Its going to take a while. Go ahead, carl. I think we need to talk about right and wrong for a minute and i dont want to sound like a moralist here but truth is not what polls are about. Theres no truth here. Can we finish for a moment, please . Look, we are trying what we want to know is what is the truth . That is why we need real investigation. What we do know is that from the point of view of all of the United States intelligence community, the russians attempted to hijack our election. This is a huge piece of business. How . Did they get into the machines . What did they do . Thats part of the reason that were having this oh, come on. How about hacking emails with the dnc and john podesta . Exactly. Thats the point. Theres a huge record out there from the nsa and for the incidentally, the president of the United States, donald trump, has said, yes, the russians tried to interfere in the election. So drop that talking point, please. But whats important here well, mr. Podesta was paid tens and millions of dollars from the russian government. We need to investigate him, then. This is an investigation about the president. Just a moment. There are many lobbyists who have been paid all kinds of money and look, we have investigations about lobbyists all the time. This is not about trying to make it about republicans or democrats. Its about trying to find out what the hell happened to our election and we have a president and the people around him and, unfortunately, a Republican Party on the hill that seems not the least bit interested in the truth here. There are some members, yes, but increasingly in the house especially, they seem to be it all seems to come down to partisanship. I think that many people believe its like the fairness doctrine, if you prosecute a republican, you must prosecute a democrat. No. Thats not actually how it works. Great talking poin. James comey was at the Intelligence SecurityAlliance Defending the fbi as nonpartisan. Listen to this. The last year its been almost a year now has been both difficult and easier than you might think and ill tell you, ive never been prouder of the fbi. What makes it easy is, were not on anybodys side, ever. Were not considering whos ox will be gored by this action or that action. We just dont care and we cant care. We ask what are the facts, whats the law, whats the right way to do things here. Most people see the world differently than we do. Most people wearing glasses that filter the world according to size. And this is a challenge i faced when i testified in front of congress. Its not a criticism of congress. Its, they see facts as to how it will affect my side. How does that argument affect my side. When they encounter people, and im just one of 37,000 people at the fbi, who never consider a side, its confusing. What a bunch of sanctimonious nonsense. You know, theres a guy who beat Hillary Clinton in this election by breaking Justice Department policy and announcing investigations of Hillary Clinton on the eve of the election. The idea that he somehow is unaware he is so unaware of the political implications of his work, what a bunch of nonsense that was. Kirsten . Yeah, well, look, i think a lot of democrats would definitely disagree with what he said and see that he really used a different standard. Its not just that he came out in democrats eyes and probably helped donald trump win. Im not saying that was his motive but that was the outcome as a lot of democrats believe it but then he didnt hold donald trump to the same standard. He didnt mention that the other candidate was also investigation. And so this idea that hes somehow just above it all i dont think is really connected to the truth. At the time of the election, there was only one candidate under investigation and that was no. He had said that they had started looking at donald trump during the election. In july. In july. Right. But at the point he sent the letter out he said he was done and had concluded nothing about Hillary Clinton. Right. Before the election. So it was the trump folks who who was actually under investigation . Yes. People were left with the impression that hillary was under investigation even though it had been formally closed but he certainly let everyone believe that she was being looked at by the fbi without mentioning donald trump. What do you think of what comey said . And republicans feel like she was given a pass. Why is that . Well, she met on a saturday, a saturday of a holiday, when does the fbi meet with