But is it really a diversionary tactic in the wake of charlottesville . Is it working. Lets discuss. The conservative coalition, and David Swerdlick and sir michael singleton. And brunell shea. I make sure i say that. Did i pronounce that . Its sha. Sorry about that. The former vice chair of diversity outreach for the national i want to play two clips back to back. First one is from today. Second is from last night. It is time to heal the wounds that divide us. And to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. We are one people with one home and one great flag. We are not defined by the color of our skin. The figure on our paycheck or the party of our politics. So, so they were having a hard time with that one because i said everything. I hit them with neonazi, i hit them with everything. I got the white supremacist, the neonazi. I got them all in there. Kkk. We have kkk. I got them all. So theyre having a hard time. So what did they say . Right. It should have been sooner. Hes a racist. So how do you make sense of that . Is he speaking out of both sides of his mouth . Kkk, don, we have kkk. The first clip you played of the president speaking today when he was taking the more somber tone, its a version of the we all bleed the same red blood sort of construction he used in his inaugural address hes used on occasion just when he gets in those moments when hes under pressure for his lack of credibility with a broad section of americans on issues of race and gender. And he goes to that sort of construction. But its what he says in between those somber moments that has gotten them in trouble. And its why that language about all of us being the same, which is true, and all of us being americans, which is true, sometimes falls on deaf ears. Whether it was the fact he was the public face of birtherism, weather its some of his comments about women over the course of the campaign. I could go on and on listing all night. The point is when he gets these moments and wants to say to people wait second i really sincerely want to be the president of all americans, he first has to step in and clean up for all the other things he said. If i could just make one more point. If any president would have to come out much quicker, immediately, and say where they are and set the moral tone for the situation. But a president who starts so far behind the starting line really had to do that. And i dont think President Trump did that over the last week and a half. I want to hear from brewnel now. How do you explain the jekyll and hyde performance that chaos happened . Should black republicans support him . Well, first god bless you and god bless america. What ill tell you is what you heard last night im a democrat and i voted for donald trump. What you heard was our president just basically letting the supporters know i am not a racist. Hes letting the country know im not a racist. I stepped into this because i want to help everybody. What you saw was not a robot or some characterture of what people think a president should be. What President Trump does, hes authentic. He may not be as eloquent as other president s as we would like. But he speaks plain. And a lot of Trump Supporters and americans want to be spoken to plainly. Today him saying we all bleed the same blood, were all americans, i think he needs to stay there because there are so Many Americans out here who are hurting who just really want to know they are cared about. And if the president stays on message letting everyone know theyre involved, that they can participate, i think hell do great. Well see wonders with him. But thats all well and good and not to be condescending, i really dont want to but he hasnt done anything that you said. He has not stayed on message. He was go on. I mean. To your point. He hasnt stayed on message, which is a part of the problem. Monday when the president clarified his remarks to greater specificity, a lot of people applauded, including democrats. Then we saw what occurred tuesday at the press conference which was supposed to be about infrastructure. It did not pan out very well. Then we saw the president s remarks in front of troops where at the beginning of that speech he talked about the u. S. He talked about the u. S. Compounded of different people all over the world. That was appropriate and the very next day we saw the president at the rally. And i dont think his tone was the right tone. I think lot of the rhetoric i get it. He was at a rally. He wants to rally his base. Speaking plain doesnt mean speak down and give you an excuse for being ignorant. It does not, don. And the point i was going to make is, for a lot of americans particularly minority americans are saying you clarified the remarks, then the next day you came out with things that there insulting or not appropriate. Then the next day a more disciplined version of you, then the day after a not disciplined version of you. Which version are people supposed to believe . I think thats part of the problem. If i may respond. Go ahead. What i would say is thats the thing im talking about. Our president is authentic. Hes not a robot. Hes not thought up. Hes showing us who he is. Its not about being robotic. Every president is real. Not about being robotic. Its about authenticity and if you believe what you believe, it doesnt matter if youre reading from a script or extemporaneously, people will believe it. And the issue is that a lot of people arent believing what he says and i would lover for the president to give a great speech on race in america so we could move on. Because you are a republican, right . Hes the leader of my party. But i cannot in good faith or good conscious defend things that most people in our community by and large believe are insulting to minorities. You set me up to this. Because this is an article by buzzfeed. Black republicans despair over trumps response to charlottesville. In it, he writes what emerged from nearly a dozen black republicans was a keen sense of the division between these republicans and a more protrump wing. Many are dismayed that someone hasnt been able to effectively tell him what hes doing is detrimental and offensive to black americans. These sources often mean the highest ranking black white house staffer, omarosa the highestranking black white house staffer. And they feel shes not sensitive to their interests. I think theyre being kind in their words there. Is the president getting any good advice in his relationship with the black community . Joseph . I dont believe he could be getting good advice. We saw what happened on tuesday. We saw what happened at the rally in phoenix. I dont think its posable to think he was getting good advice. I think that the problem we face is the lack of consistency. This notion where apparently if someone spitz in your face and hands you a napkin, youre supposed to say thank you to them. I dont think thats a realistic approach. I think some of the problems we have right now is that we focus on the things we dont like about what donald trump has said and dont necessarily focus on things other people in america do here. Donald trump said we cant change history, but we can learn from it. I think thats a powerful message that resonates with a lot of americans. What President Trump does not seem to understand and what america has been redsent to accept is that they were not trying to preserve our right, they were trying to implore us to relive it. When you hear people talking about blood and soil, hear people talking about jews will not replace us. The one thing we did not hear was save robert e. Lee. What shermichael is talking about, yes, there is authenticity in what he says and the perception for a lot of americans who have been on the searing end of prejudice is we have a situation where people were beaten, people were malled and again giving aid and comfort to something, as he tries to describe it in phoenix, does not seem reflected in this statement. Some black republicans have stepped away from the president. Others have been speaking out more forcefully. Let me play this before we talk any further. This is tim scott. Previously an ally of this president. Heres what he said last week. Im not going to defend the indefensible. What we want to see from our president is clarity and moral authority. That moral authoritys compromised when tuesday happened. David, as the president continues to defend his remarks, change his story about charlottesville, will he continue to lose more support and especially among africanamericans, not that he had had that much . A couple of things about senator scott. Hes somebody who came out of the tea party era. But as hes progressed has moved more towards main line republicanism and thats why hes speaking from that platform and saying look, theres a way to address situations as a National Leader with moral authority. In terms of black people moving away from President Trump, i think his biggest problem is that he started with such a deficit on these issues. There is a discussion to be had had. Don, i know youre from baton rouge. Im in north carolina. We have had these discussions about confederate monuments, flags. Theres a way to have a nuanced discussion about history but President Trump, because he has not established himself as someone with credibility on issues of race over the last two years is not the person to lead that conversation. If two saturdays ago he had come out that day, talked about the death of heather heyer, what he wanted to see happen in charlottesville sincerely, not with his arms folded looking like he was reading a hostage statement, he could have started to lead the dialogue you cannot have that conversation when you have people saying they are trying to take away our culture. Whos they . Whos our . And you have to be aware of the history of those monuments and they were erected during the Civil Rights Movement when blacks were starting to gain influence and fairness in society. They didnt come up right after the civil war. You have to know the history. You have to know the Confederate Flag is not a symbol of white pride or the south, its a symbol of hate. But go on, brunell. Thank you so much. What i would say is i think each and everyone of us on this panel deep down in our hearts really want to see the president do well. I think all americans want to see him do well, step up. I also believe African Americans specifically want to see action and i believe we all have heard so much talking through the decades of people saying what theyre going to do in our community. And donald trump said i have a new deal with black people. I want to put billions into the inner cities and i believe once that money starts hitting our inner cities vocational programs, jobs, economics and improvement, i dont believe donald trump will have to do too much talking. The actions is actions are what the people want. So, where are we at . Hold on. Whoa, whoa. Actions are what make a difference. So his actions in the past dont matter . His actions on discrimination, his words about the central park 5 being the leader of birtherism, those actions dont matter but hold on. But the actions he will possibly make in the future are more important than concretely what hes already said and already has done or not done . What ill tell you is this the bible says he who is without sin casts the first stone. We all know that. What does this have to do with this . What does this have to do with this . Nobodys perfect. Let me finish my thought. Again the president s not perfect. There have been some missteps im sure. But i believe that in my heart i know hes not a racist i wouldnt put my voice behind this. Tell me. Whoa. How do you know hes not a racist . Im a black woman from the west side of chicago. Theres no way im going to put my mouth on a president im not talking about you putting your mouth on the president. How do you know hes not racist . I havent heard anything come from him as far as im concerned from his speeches, as a candidate, as well as him being president that indicate he has a problem with africanamericans at all. I havent heard one thing like that. You said the central park 5. I understand thats a touchy issue in our community. And theyre saying he didnt believe they were innocent. But there are people that dont believe o. J. Simpson is innocent. They did not run for president of the United States, they did not take up ads in newspapers people still think o. J. Simpson is guilty. Lets not go down the o. J. Joseph, go ahead. We need this president to be successful. If youre an american you need the president of the United States to be successful. Thats a fact. Im a republican. I wish we could have a conversation and talk about tax reform and health care and the issues that we greatly need to get fixed in this country that republicans and americans desperately need to address. But the fact remains again. In my family forgiveness requires acknowledgment and love requires accountability. You can love him and still hold him accountable. You can want him to be successful and say youre making mistakes and to your point, yes, mistakes were made but the president himself has not acknowledged those mistakes and so when we see what happened in phoenix, last night. For all the good things that hes said i think hes gotten a bad rap for not repeating the good things he had said. Because we would be talking about how hes still in that train of thought. So, i think thats a little unfair. But the missing component is what is implied when he omits that about the rest of us . Because it implies again that the pain is not real, that these other individuals who may have been offended by the fact that the president of the United States did not stand up for them, they are crazy. They are somehow making up these things. Ultimately, yes, we want the president to be successful. But again you cannot expect there to be conversation about the agenda. But again, you cant there to be a conversation about the agenda when the president keeps stepping in the mud. And there has to be a level of consistency. We dont just judge leaders offer individual moments in time. We judge them in their entirety. And burnell brought up investing in inner cities. However, is it not legitimate to beg the question where is the plan for that idea . We know the administration wants to make a lot of drastic cuts. I havent seen anything that indicates we will see billions invested in inner cities. There are a lot of poor africanamericans, just as there are poor whites and hispanics. People who need jobs, have children that are going to schools, institutions where they dont have updated resources, believe it or not, or Transportation Systems that are reliable, Health Care Systems that have failed them. So if were going to talk from policy perspective of what its going to taking to address the needs and concerns of all people in this country, we have to first show people that we respect them, that we respect and understand the legitimacy of their critiques, whether we agree with them or not. Im an africanamerican. Someone may hurl a comment at someone whos jewish or muslim, just because im not jewish or muslim, does that not mean that i care . Thats critically important, particularly when youre a leader. Quick point about republicanism. Heres the thing. Were being whip sawed partly because President Trump is a republican president who campaigned to working class black people and to working class white people in a way that republicans havent campaigned before. He didnt say pull up your boot straps and work for opportunity in this country. He said for two years im going to take care of you. Im going to pump billions into rural areas and inner cities. Thats a different way of campaigning. And its part of the tension between him and his party and the more than one camp of africanamerican republicans right now. White supremacist Chris Cantwell who organized the charlottesville rally has turned himself into police. Hes in jail. You remember him. What do you think this means for the next altright protest . I say its going to be really tough to top but were up to the challenge. Why . Tough to top . I mean someone died. I think a lot more people are going to die before were done here, frankly. Thats what the violence in charlottesville was really all about. Not confederate statues, not confederate statues. Not an attack on what donald trump calls our culture. When we come back, its all about its all just a diversionary tactic, was it and is it working . Booking a flight at the last minute doesnt have to be expensive. Just go to priceline. Its the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40 . Just tap and go. For the best savings on flights, go to priceline. Hey, im the internet i know a bunch of people who would love that. The internet loves what youre doing. So build a better website in under an hour with. Gocentral from godaddy. The internet is waiting. Start for free today at godaddy. Scuse me. Mind if i sit here . Not if you want your phone to work. Let me guess, you cant livestream your lobster roll. 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A debate thats expanded to include other parts of the country, including this statue of Christopher Columbus in columbus circle, named after the italian explorer. Mayor de blasio says after the violent events, new york city will conduct a 90day review of all symbols of hate on city property. So what i want to talk about now are the statues and monuments. Are they an important issue . Is it Political Correctness run amuck . Joining me is ben shapiro. I invited you back to have a broader conversation about this. This whole id