Personal lawyer told cnn he used money from his home equity line to make the 130,000 to the porn star whose real name is Stephanie Clifford. Cohen also confirmed that he used Trump Organization email to communicate details of the payment telling cnn quote, i basically use to do for everything. All of this giving more oxygen to the story of the president and the porn star, a story the white house would like to go away. But this may be a case where the president has met his match. Stormy daniels shows no signs of backing down. Nask she is taking her show on the road, literally, making an appearance tonight at a strip club in ft. Lauderdale. I want to bring in joan walsh, jack kingston, a former congressman and Senior Adviser to the trump campaign. David swerdlick. And the gang is all here. Thank you for coming on. Lets start with you, joe. Stormy daniels attorney released another email written to and from Michael Cohens corporate email address, this time referring to i dont mean kip you are and the office being closed. Watch this. If you look at the email, the top the last email in the string, it talks about how the office is closed for yom, kippur. The Trump Organization offices. If i could set the stage relating to this email, in midoctober was around the time period that the payment was to be made. Now, why is this important, the reference to yomkippur in the office. Because it appears to be innocuous when you look at it. We assert actually its not innocuous. Because if in fact the payment was being made personally by attorney cohen he wouldnt need his office open in order to effectuate the payment. Joe, does this raise a question about why the office being open or closed would be relevant if cohen were truly handling this transaction on his own, as he claims . Yeah, but its at the end of the day, don its all irrelevant. This is ridiculous. A monthing a this was just another salacious trump story. He called fake news. Its one of a million scandal he had in the last year that was going to be another thing that blurs the last thing you heard about him. And wasnt really going to have legs. It got legs and became a National News story when his own two people his lawyer and his press secretary osh the White House Press secretary went on put their foot in their mouth that they opened because this thing was dead and buried. She had not a leg to stand on to talk about the case or anything else until they opened the door. Michael cohen i dont know what he was thinking that day he stood in front of a gamut of reporters and pronounced i paid 130,000 from my own money. First of all, why did he have an affair with her and does anyone care . Thats so ridiculous. And he broke a confidentiallety agreement if one was in place. So right away. Hold on hold on let me get some of the things. You said this was you think this was over until what because because most of the irons ive had on said this was a iron clad contract and she was going to loses. You thought it was over until what. She was going to lose until in my opinion his lawyer went and discussed the terms of the agreement. He and now its he announced publicly paid her 130,000 with the nonsense thing that it was his own money. You paid ton behalf of trump. Lets not kid ourselves. But then the press secretary went and described a victory in a Confidential Arbitration that confirmed that there was an agreement, number one and two the president was a party to it. Everything is blown. His own two people basically annihilated any claim of confidentiality the president might have against this woman now. Its over. Go ahead, jack. Well, i dont know that that necessarily voids the greem. The question i would have mr. Avante is why didnt he go to a judge and say because this wasnt signed its no longer void. He did not do that because he knows he couldnt stand up in court about it. There is no question about it that Michael Cohen did not work for the campaign. He did not coordinate with the campaign. The Trump Organization was not the campaign. It was the Trump Organization. Who cares. Of which. Who care. Well let me tell. You one at a time one at a sfiem joe here is why its relevant because the f. E. C. Complaint filed on january 30th alleged that he was. That was the thing that reopened the discussion. Jack, stand by. He is saying he acted on his own. And if he acts on his own why is he using Trump Organization email and saying that the office is closed in thats the question. But, joe, here is i understand joe, i understand. But these intelligence lets not lose our common sense. What does he mean he acted on his own . He gave 130,000 to his own money that had he to a home equity line of credit out on his house for someone he never had a relationship with. He was a lawyer for the trump family over a period over a decade. He did all kinds of things. Lawyers dont pay their own money for clients. Well, joe, maybe you dont. Dsh maybe you dont. No lawyer would do that. If you took it more to heart, i can say this i know Michael Cohen he is a very smart lawyer. No lawyers pay their personal money to settle a case for a client. Okay, jack, jack, jack, if the president didnt brag about his billions of dollars. It wasnt a case, joe. I would say you have a point if someone doesnt have enough money to pay for something, plab their attorney might pay it out of pocket in hopes the client would pay it back. But if you you know someone with a couple billion dollars. He had to take a loan out on his home for 130,000. Both of you stand by. Joe, i think this is important. Joe, i understand that you had some communication with Stormy Daniels at some point. You know, obviously there is Attorney Client issues lets put it this way. I was contacted go ahead over what. There was a question. There was a long pause. The question i was asked was whether i was contacted or asked to represent her. The answer is yes i was but i cant go anything further. Im not representing her. I dont represent her. Ive never represented her. Ive been asked to represent a lot of people. I dont take care every case im asked to help. Im bringing joan in. There are other things you have questions about in the court documents. Do you think well get answers moving forward. We may get answers. We have a judge now. I think it does matter. Injury the lack of a signature matters. I think that joe is absoluteliright, that that became a bigger story when Michael Cohen stepped in it and Sarah Sanders confirmed there was some kind of agreement. I do think that the next shoe to drop has to be that Michael Cohen comes out and says that he had the affair with Stormy Daniels because nothing else makes sense. Nobody else goes and gets a Home Equity Loan to pay off a porn star. Exactly, except you know whats coming next high pressure. Here is whats coming next. She has proof. If in case goes any further she is going to drop a hammer thats going to hurt. If you were the lawyer. Jack, jack there are other panelists please stand by. Here is what Stormy Daniels attorney said earlier. We have heard explanation upon explanation they are ever changing. Its nonsense. We are out of words to describe to describe what mr. Cohen is trying to sell to the american public. So, david, Michael Cohen spheresly loyal to donald trump as we know. Yes. Has he done a good job representing his client here. No, don, i dont think he has. First of all, the idea that he would have look, jack congressman kingston is right that we havent proven yet or no one has proven that this is a Campaign Finance violation. But it strains credulity first of all as joe and joan are saying to think he would have gone out and done this of his own volition without any motive. David stop there. You have a juris doctorate. I do. Does that stand up in court even though it strains credulity. Because Michael Cohen believes he has iron clad document that they violated. You know, i think that the contract stands. But the contract and the f. E. C. Violation if there is one is two different issues. But don wait a second let me step out of the legal mode for a second and say it occurs to me at some point that Stormy Daniels at this point with all the attention could just go out there and tell her story and set up a gofundme and raise the Million Dollar penalty that she needs to tell her story, right . Americans want to know what happened. Theyd be able to come up with the money for the penalty if they wanted to to talk. Probably in record time. Yes. Don don, i just want to. 1 thing out. There was nothing until Michael Cohen made the pronounce pronouncement he paid her 130,000 and the rest secretary said he won in arbitration, the president did about an agreement that the president said never existed joe when did they come to you when did they come just answer that question when did they come to you. Thats none of which is has no. Thats extremely relevant because youre saying. Jack, please. Stop trying to distract from the issue. Its interesting you wont answer the question you know there was something what why did they come to you if there was nothing. Please let him make his point. Please be quiet. Until the two events happened Stormy Daniels was someone going to a strip clubs being a stripper. She went on talk shows saying she couldnt talk about the case until the two events events happened. Understand it and own it. I dont know who whose bag of water you are carrying. Here the bottom line until Michael Cohen did that until the press secretary did that Stormy Daniels had defied it publicly the same way trump had done. Why did they go to you. Please. Why did they go to joe if there wasnt anything there . Why dont joe tell us when they went to him because they knew that his. He is a lawyer. This guy hold on. Jack because that has nothing to do with anything, if anyone ever ever used an attorney you shop attorneys sometimes. Im not sure i want this person that person, i cant speak for joe he he is here to speak. But i think thats irrelevant to the conversation. She has since gone with the lawyer that she has gone with. The lawyer is speaking on her behalf and openly i dont think it matters when she went to. Quite well he is impress. He work for Rahm Emmanuel he is such a nonpartisan guy. Thats that doesnt marry matter. It does. Youre trying to distract from the facts of the case. Here is the facts of the case. Here the facts of the case. And im going to. Whats the facts of the case the president sfad he never had an affair. Joe my turn now, joe. Well be right back you guys will talk about it after this. Be right back. To now we got a commercial. Unconventional, unexpected nudes. Liquid matte formula. Up to 16 hour wear. Go unnude with attitude. Maybellines matte ink unnude. Only from maybelline new york. Maybellines matte ink unnude. avo if yourand youve triedlly pain any number of laxatives, probiotics, and fiber, it could be wearing on you. Tell your doctor what youve tried and how long youve been at it. Linzess works differently from laxatives. Linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. It can help relieve your belly pain and lets you have more frequent and complete bowel movements that are easier to pass. Do not give linzess to children less than six, and it should not be given to children six to less than eighteen. 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All right on november 49th, 2016 days before the 2016 election, the wall street journal first reported that Stephanie Clifford known as porn star Stormy Daniels was in discussion was abc Good Morning America to disclose a possible relationship with donald trump. Trump spokes woman, hope hicks released a statement in response saying, that it was absolutely unequivocally untrue. Not exactly what most people would call extensive, right there. And things were quiet for a while. And on january 12th of this year the wall street journal first reported on a possible hush money payoff over an alleged affair between donald trump and Stormy Daniels. The white house responded with, these are old recycled reports which were published and strongly denied prior to the election. Except, we didnt know about a payoff before the election. Just that Stormy Daniels was in talks to disclose a relationship. We never learned about the alleged relationship between daniels and donald trump because she entered an agreement for her silence at a cost of 130,000. On january 18th the next time the white house was pressed about Stormy Daniels, Deputy Press Secretary raj shah to the state your name and asked and answered deflection when asked the president s response to the allegation he said the allegation was asked and answered during the campaign. Ill point you to those comments. Again no one asking about a payoff during the 2016 campaign, because no one knew about a payoff until january of this year. Which is 2018, be the year of our lord. On february 13 Michael Cohen admitted to paying 130,000 to Stormy Daniels and shortly after that the white house dodged questions about it again. The president s personal lawyer acknowledged giving a 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels. Is the president aware that his lawyer paid that kind of money to a porn star to bay her silence . Does he have proof of that. I havent asked him about it. But that matter has been asked and answered in the past. No not since he he ac nonld this. He acknowledged this last week. This is the first time weve had a chance to ask about it. Can you go back and find out if the president approves of the fact that his personal lawyer thats just another nonanswer saying the questions have been answered. This brings us to earlier this week when we learn that Stormy Daniels has sued President Trump over the alleged affair and hush agreement and yet again the white house has asked questions about it. Did the president approve of the payment that was made in october of 2016 by his longterm lawyer and adviser Michael Cohen. Look the president addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. This case has already been won in arbitration and anything beyond that i would you refer to the president s outside counsel. When did the president address specifically the cash payment that was made in october of 2016 . The president denied the ails against him and again this case has already been won in arbitration. Still dodging. But by attempting to deflect from the lawsuit she claimed the president won in arbitration, an admission that a nondisclosure agreement exists and it directly involves the president. It was the first time the white house acknowledged trump was involved with daniels in any way. With that, there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. And zsh dsh asked and answered about i the the agreement between Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels and donald trump. Or david dennison. As it is in the agreement. The truth is the white house hasnt extensively answered questions about storm Stormy Daniels. Press secretaries said they addressed it. They havent. They have said the president addressed it. He has not. And they are going to face more questions about it until they do. So back with me now joan walsh david kingston, Dave Swerdlick and joe takapino. Clearly, the white house really hasnt addressed this at all. Can they get away oh, oh did we lose him . Can they get away . Ill ask that for david. Joe are you back . Im here. Youre up there in canada and so we are having a little technical difficulties. The water might have frozen. I did not touch the switch, joe im. Jack tried to unplug it. I did not cant come from my microphone. Can they get away with ignoring this story much longer, joe. I never thought he could get away with anything thats happened the last year and a half so i dont know. I guess if you keep saying liar, liar pants on fire, maybe it works. But they keep saying things that arent accurate like we answered, the president answer to do. Now theyre saying its not true. A all the things they said before are being confirmed by the white house. Again, this is the people