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Well bring you that later on in this program. First lets get to pamela brown, Chris Cillizza and Josh Campbell, and i want to bring in Juliette Kayyem. Another big, huge story on a friday night. You spoke to mccabe, also its interesting that through your reporting or at least through your contacting him that is actually how he found out about his firing. Thats right. I contacted his representative as soon as the news came out just before 10 00. And they had not heard the news yet. And so his representative reached out to him to let him know and read him the press release the department of justice sent out from the attorney general saying that he was in fact terminated. Now the Justice Department does say, don, that it sent him an email. Im told the email was sent shortly before, and it was sent to his work account, which, of course, he wasnt checking because now hes retired. But this is huge news. And really unprecedented, don, for a career fbi agent who spent more than 20 years in the bureau to be fired in such a public fashion. The department of justice, attorney general Jeff Sessions making this decision late this friday night saying it was because Andrew Mccabe gave unauthorized disclosures of information to the media and misled investigators. This is all revolving around a wall street journal report in october of 2016. Andrew mccabe says that the reporter in this case wanted to write something that was factually inaccurate, that he was trying to slow roll the Clinton Foundation investigation. He authorized two agents to speak to the reporter to clear up confusion and give the facts in his view. He told me in an interview, don, he never misled anyone, never misled the Inspector General, any investigators. And he believes that all of this is really a pattern of attacks to undermine his credibility and his reputation by the president. And in fact he released a statement tonight, don, Andrew Mccabe releasing this statement singling out the president saying the oigs focus on me on this report became part of an unprecedented effort by the administration driven by the president himself to remove me from my position, destroy my reputation and possibly strip me of a pension that i worked 21 years to earn. In his view, he believes its twofold. He believes the president began to direct his ire to him once the wall street journal reported that his wife ran for a Democratic State senate seat in 2015 and accepted money from the Clinton Family friend. It was the next year Andrew Mccabe oversaw the clinton email the server email probe. And so he believes thats one reason. But also, don, he told me in the interview that he believes because he could be a witness in Robert Muellers probe in the firing of the former fbi director james comey, he believes that is a big reason why he is being targeted, why he is being turned into a political punching bag. Now, i asked him because as you know the Inspector General is supposed to be nonpartisan. The i. G. Worked under both administrations, the Obama Administration as well. I asked him whether he thought the i. G. Was being unduly influenced, because this stems from an i. G. Report. He says, i dont know. The investigation escalated once it became clear i was a witness for james comey in the mueller investigation, don. When might possibly we get to see the i. G. Report, pamela . Thats a big question. A lot of us thought it would be released before he turned 50 which is when he is eligible to receive the pension. But instead he is being fired. The i. G. Report is referenced. We still dont know the specific allegations of how he misled investigators and other details in that i. G. Report. We expect it to come out fairly soon. But i should note he told me in this interview because its important to hear both sides here in this case we know there is an i. G. Report with the allegations. We dont know the specifics. But he says he wasnt misleading the investigators. He realized there was a misunderstanding after he was interviewed on a couple of occasions, and he proactively went back to them to clear up any confusion. But, again, we are sort of operating in the dark because we dont know the specific allegations in the report, don. Listen pamela, stand by i want to bring in Josh Campbell form fbi supervisory agent. Pamela read from the statement from Andrew Mccabe. But also his representative is saying he believes the i. G. Report is distorted. The former doj inspector is called michael horowitz. He blasted the process that led to the firing saying in a statement, this distortion of the process begins at the top with the president , repeated offensive driveby twitter attacks on mr. Mccabe, josh. Well, i think what we see is a disservice not only to mr. Mccabe, but also to the fbi and the American People, because we dont have that i. G. Report. We are left to take the Justice Department word for the statement which they provided which i find fault with high let me give you an example. As i listened to pamela read the statement, they mentioned the idea of misleading investigators which is a serious allegations. If he did that there should be consequences. But in the same statement they say an accusation of unauthorized media disclosures. Under fbi policy the Deputy Director can decide what to authorize to release to the press. It sounds like a house of cards. That theyre just trying to build, which wont last. I think what we need i think that the Inspector General is nonpartisan. But we need that report. We need it out right now. Because what we are left to do is make the determinations about what happened in a vacuum. And lastly if i could just say. Okay. Please. Go ahead. I was just going to make that point, josh, on being authorized to disclose information to the media. It is true, he is one of three officials was one who could speak to the media or could authorize a disclosure of information to the media. And in this case it had to do with the Clinton Foundation investigation. I asked him whether he was concerned whether part of the issue was he was disclosing information having to do with an active Ongoing Investigation into the Clinton Foundation which as you know, josh, that would not be allowed. But he said that he did not view it that way. The details that the investigation was ongoing were already out in public for a while. And he only authorized according to his what he has to say, a very small piece of it. In that a phone call that took place between him and someone at doj where he said he wanted the investigation to move forward. I think thats an important point for context. Lets talk more about that, juliette. Because the representative said he and mccabe saw the final report a week ago and only had four days to review the evidence, prepare a response and make presentations to the office of the Deputy Attorney general. He said the process fell or the of what mr. Mccabe deserved. This is concerted effort to accelerate the process in order to beat the ticking clock of mr. Mccabes retirement violates any sense of decency and basic principles of fairness. Juliette. I think that is such an important statement from the representative. Because as everyone is stating, he is in this world of maybe no fair players he is viewed as one. The nakt he is the fact that he is coming out saying mccabes due process was denied or unfair is absolutely important to note as part of this process. But i want to get lets get away from process, away from politics, away from, you know, just the gut wrenching feeling all of us feel for mccabes pension. Trust me he is going to be fine. There is probably a lot of book agents calling him right now. Lets talk about mueller. Because thats what this is about. Looking at what happened tonight outside the context of the russia investigation youre missing the big story here. And i think, you know, just focusing on why would they have done this, right, because of mccabes knowledge of the investigation early on he was part of the investigation. And then, of course, of his contemporaneous knowledge of why comey was fired. Those two things are relevant not just for obstruction of justice but also for potential collusion, which, of course, we know the special prosecutor is looking for. So are the trump people stupid . Because they have now unleashed mccabe. And i have to believe they are not. And what they probably did is they weighed the the they weighed these two things, firing mccabe and letting him be unleashed as he is or trying to undermine him now because they know he knows a lot. And they chose tonight. And they chose to try to undermine a key witness who potentially has information against them. So i dont think theyre going you know, regret this, i think they knew this was going to happen, and they had to choose. And they those one of two bad options for a white house looking at a investigation by the special prosecutor thats getting closer and closer to the oval office. And they wanted him out of the process because of his knowledge. Listen, chris im bringing you in. But i see josh nodding here. Yeah. Let me just read this. Because she is actually saying i think what mccabes statement says is here is the reality. Here is what he says. He is sort of saying what juliette is saying. Im being singled out and treated this way because of the role i played, actions i took and the events i witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of james comey. Josh. No, youre right. The reason why i was sitting there nodding is because juliette is spot on. If you look at the time line. Look where we are. Its friday night, a day and a half before he is eligible to retire. I was in the fbi for over a decade. I cant tell you one example of an investigation or an inquiry that ever had a time line attached to it. But you know ill tell you something else. One thing jim comey used to say is that Law Enforcement arent believers of coincide. If you look at the way this investigation took place and where we are now, its serious questions to be answered by the attorney general and the Inspector General as far as where we are now on the day before he is eligible to retire. To add to that, don, since im in the business of covering politics, im also a big believer in no coincides. If you believe that mccabe was rightly fired, then ask yourself this. Why was it announced at 10 00 p. M. On a friday night . I mean, if you think the white house was 100 within its rights, Jeff Sessions this was a decision that the i. G. Recommended, Jeff Sessions took the recommendation of the Inspector General, theyve had the report. It didnt come out at 9 50 p. M. On a friday night. Why do it now . I know for a fact that these things dont happen by accident. There are less eyeballs on something at 10 00 p. M. On friday night than there are at lets say 3 00 in the afternoon or 11 00 in the morning on a friday or a wednesday. These are not that is not a coincidence. If you believe this was rightfully done, figure out an answer to that question. Why if this was the right thing to do and the white house is Standing Firm behind it and feels good about it was it announced at 10 00 on friday night. Chris, listen thats the old paradigm. We see the numbers. And friday nights have become highly rated. Very. A lot of news. No one knows whats going to happen. There may be more eyes at 10 00 on friday night than at 3 00 in the afternoon on a weekend. Its no longer news dump friday. Its not because im sitting here. Because thats, indeed, the truth. Lets talk a little bit more about this. Juliette said you know its not just process but quickly, chris, because i have to get to the break. What happened to the official or the president standing in front of the podium saying it was because of these reasons we thought it was the proper thing to do to fire the deputy fbi director today at 3 00, we made this decision. Do you know what im saying instead of the same thing that happened when Rex Tillerson via twitter that he is fired. This is the secretary of state. This isnt some eighth level appointee of the state department. This is the head of it. Donald trump weirdly, for a guy who made his career, at least celebrity on the phrase youre fired doesnt like to actually be that person who says youre fired. We know even if you john kelly was the one who told Rex Tillerson, fyi youre not long for this job at the end of last week. It wasnt donald trump. I just these things are not accidental. They are not coincidental. And i think you have to realize that. But so much of it what we witness on Reality Television is actually not Reality Television. This president is kind of the opposite of what he presented himself to be. Right. On Reality Television sitting in that fake boardroom on a fake television show. So interesting. Juliette, i think youre spot on with this. What did Andrew Mccabe know and why is this administration so afraid of what he knew . Well talk about that as well when we come back. 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Joining me now congressman swalwell. First let me get your reaction to mccabes termination. Do you think its politically motivated . Don, i think that donald trump and Jeff Sessions are sending a message to other people in the administration who may have seen something or who may be saying something to special counsel or congress about the president and his ties to russia. We interviewed andy mccabe for nearly ten hours. I found him to be an honest and decent person who knew a lot about the president s ties to russia. I fear that this is a punitive act, a petty act right before he is about to collect his pension. But more intended to send a message to anyone who would cross the president. Cnn National Security analyst Juliette Kayyem was on moments ago before the break and said she believes the administration and the president are concerned about how much Andrew Mcca