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Clinton and don, jr. Among others. And there is more. A federal judge is forcing a longtime aide to Trump Advisor Roger stone to Turnover Documents and testify before a grand jury hearing, Hearing Evidence in the mueller investigation. Stone sought damaging information about Hillary Clinton from wikileaks, the website which published thousands of hacked democratic emails, emails stolen by russian hackerses, hackers the Trump Justice Department identified as agents of the russian government. There are also new developments in the trial of the president s former Campaign Manager, Paul Manaforts bookkeeper testifying that her boss was effectively broke and lying to banks about his precarious financial situation after losing his biggest client, which is the prorussian former ukrainian president. And that was right about the same time that manafort started working for the Trump Campaign. The bookkeeper also testified that she knew nothing of foreign accounts controlled by manafort. That poses a problem for manafort since yesterday car dealers and contractors said they were paid almost exclusively from foreign accounts linked to cyprus. Now, in the middle of all of this, the president still says he wants to sit down for an interview with mueller and clear everything up while his lawyers warn that would be a very bad idea. Former Trump Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski telling our very orrin erin burnett a short time ago he hasnt spoken with trump but would advise against a sitdown with mueller. Well, that is a curious claim since cnn reported that lewandowski joined the president aboard Air Force One just last night after his florida rally. Also on that flight, trump 2020 Campaign Manager brad par Scand Parscal Who Said Trump Should Fire Mueller to bring the probe to an end. Lots to discuss. Former u. S. Attorney harry litman is here and cnn legal analyst joey jackson up on the late shift tonight. Joining us. Very sloppy, nondetail oriented, very hard to prepare kind of witness, very erratic, could blurt things out. But theres a deeper subtext here. I think that theyre aware of, which is hes got real criminal vulnerability. This is not a question of whats the meaning of this. This is a question of a lot of details that would tend to show that hes guilty of obstruction of justice. Mueller knows everything. Trump doesnt know what mueller knows. And there would be all kinds of questions, even as he shaves his list of questions by 50 as hes offered to do, that would just be absolute hazards for trump because mueller knows the answer, having talked with other people. So, i think thats the real problem here and i think this has been theatrical from the start. They havent really intended to sit down. The real problem is hes got criminal exposure. And if he sits down with him and he lies, exposure for perjury, if he tells the truth exposure for the underlying crime. Thats the biggest problem. So, joey, respond to that. He said he thinks its theatrics. Does trump want to Sit Down With Mueller or is it to look that way in public . I believe its very simple, don. Good to see you. The reality to me is its a farce. Number one, i do not believe that he wants to Sit Down With Mueller no matter what other people say. Theres two schools of thought. One is that he is and his lawyers are holding him back but he really wants to speak to them. I think thats political cover. I see it far more simply than harry does. I think he doesnt want to sit down with him or his lawyers dont because, look, the president is truth challenged. We know that. The fact is that whether you love trump or whether you disdain him, i think everyone can collectively agree that his relationship with the truth, there is a major disconnect. If there was a report, one report i saw said he told 2100 lies since office, another one said 3,000, another one said 10 a day. If you Sit Down With Mueller, if they dont have obstruction we dont know whether they do. Hes tweeting, his State Of Mind is all over the place. He could say he fired comey. If there is no obstruction and there is no collusion, conspiracy, you want to argue collusion, its conspiracy. The fact is you can get him on perjury. So why take the chance of going sitting with mueller no matter how smooth you think you are, no matter what you think you can say, when youre going to get caught in a lie because you will lie because thats what this president does. Period. So, harry, so far mueller hasnt moved on this demand that he wants trump to sit down in person. This negotiation has been going on since january that we know about. At what point does mueller tire of this and just say, im going to subpoena the president . Exactly. I mean, its been since january and maybe before. Im a little surprised. I would have thought he would have said, you know, forget it. Its been silly that team trump has been acting as if its got the leverage here and maybe theyll decide to sit down. As you say, the law is likely to be with mueller and he can just go to court. Now it gets a little tricky if he really is inclined to wrap things up before the midterms, probably even a quick process in the courts would extend past november. But, look, i agree with joey hes an inventor, liar. The big problem here i think really goes to the substantive exposure for obstruction and the fact that mueller would have so much information that the president just doesnt have. At this point, though, there is also the real possibility that he would file a report with the at this investigation, don, is looking and eyeing whether they can connect the dots. Who is they . Muellers team. And in order to connect dots as it relates to russian collusion and it relates to the Trump Administration trying to get information and working with the russians alongside of them, collectively agreeing, defining collusion, you need to have some people who might be knowledge as to that. And so, of course, if you get them and other members, people from the Russian Community who could talk to the meeting, who could talk to the connection between the campaign and members of the russian government, you can establish that nexus and connection. And so thats why theyre central to muellers investigation. So, harry, the Aguilaravs Attorney appeared a short while ago. Listen to this. They never spoke to the president before or after, or to suggest the president was informed the meeting was going to happen. From their perspective, they learned about it in the scope of cooperate. They dont need to talk to him at all and there had been some indication that amina was actually soured on trump. But that certainly seemed like an attempt to aid the president and it would suggest that if they do talk, hell be telling a story that would be exculpatory and maybe of don junior as well, his buddy. These are colorful characters, but mueller, in any event, wants to hear from them. He wants to know the truth. Yeah. Thank you, harry. Harry is here all the time. Joey not so much. Im glad wolf blitzer shared you, let you come on the show tonight. So nice to be here. Thank you. Thank you, come back. Thank you all. When we come back, the africanamerican pastor who met with President Trump at the white house and is now facing a backlash. Im going to talk to him next. My Digestive System used to make me feel sluggish. But those days are over. Now, i take metamucil every day. It naturally traps and removes A recap of the days news. Youll make my morning, buty the price ruin my day. Ou . Complicated relationship with milk . 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My prayer is you will continue to have wisdom and insight to lead this nation. Truly all of us are created equal so thank you for giving us an equal opportunity to fight for this nation and what it means to be an american. Thank you. So joining me now is pastor john gray of the Relentless Church in greenville, South Carolina. You received some backlash. Welcome. Good evening. Thank you, good evening. Its good to have you. You received some backlash. Other people who were there were a bit more complimentary of the president and got maybe in a bit your credibility, your influence among the Faithbased Community. Uhhuh. And there you are. I have had pastors come on who were on the president s Advisory Board and they quit because they thought it was a photo op in one of the first meet ings and they didnt think he was going to do this administration was interested in helping anyone except for getting a photo op. Yeah. What do you think . Did you expect the cameras to be there . No. When i first heard about this and was invited, i actually said i dont want to take pictures. I will go, i will listen, i will give my input, but i dont want to be photographed. And that was because i understood that certain parts of our community, the Faithbased Community and the Africanamerican Community and rightfully so, have immeasurable pain when youre dealing with an administration that at times has drawn Moral Equivalency to the unite the right rally, the people who organized it and those who opposed it. Thats so then why go there and lend your credibility to him . Because there are other ways that you can participate that may be strategically smarter and more influential than being seen on the same page with someone who many people most people of color in this country, black folks, think that his policies, his speech, his language, behavior, all of that are detrimental to African Americans. You can help out in other ways rather than sitting next to him and him having taken a picture. Let me ask you this. You just invited me to your table. We dont know each other. We dont agree on everything. Im sure if we had the conversation. But were at this table for dialogue. The purpose of that conversation was to talk about prison reform. It was the express understanding that we were coming to see if churches could partner with the government to help lower recidivism rates and systemic poverty, cyclical poverty based on people who are trying to community that ive come from . Why would i risk it . Would it be for a photo op . Thats what i ask you, why . I went because i believe i was sent. I believe that my faith did you have to go to the white house . Could you have done a Conference Call . Could you have been on, you know, via television or camera or could you have teleconference . Or could you have maybe there could have been a place other than the white house where you can discuss this . Did you the thing is that sitting there, all of these African Americans sitting there, it is being seen as the president of the United States, this administration has proposed policies that are so detrimental to African Americans that they are using you as a prop and using you hang on. They are using you as a prop and it is a photo op. The photo op doesnt work. It backfires. The moment im on that platform, whatever they were hoping to accomplish with their intended audience back fires because they dont have credibility in that market in the first place with those people. For me, the answer is very simple. I went through every detail, why would i go. What could i possibly gain, which is nothing. Would you do it again . Would i go back . If there were different circumstances, if i had assurances that we were going to meet about the intended conversation, yeah, i would go back. Not because i agree, because this is whats important. Alignment or even speaking does not mean agreement. Dialogue does not mean agreement. Sitting at the table does not mean agreement. And thats important. I dont agree with many of the policies, but it doesnt stop me from having conversation. Okay, i know weve gone on long. Sorry, producers. This is what you put on your instagram page. You said, lord, do you want me in that room . My first mind was no. The pain of so many is too real. The hurt, the isolation, the sense of disenfranchisement. The real hate that has bubbled to the surface of the national discourse. Do you think the president is responsible for hate in the nations discourse now . I believe that our president has fostered a culture and a climate that has allowed for what was there and has been there for years to bubble up. It has empowered people in a horrific way, absolutely. I dont think there is any question about that. And if youre looking for someone who is a fan of the administration or a boy for the administration, thats not me. I am a man of god. My faith guides me. I very well may lose credibility with whoever, but the people that know my heart know this. I am determined to honor what i believe is the calling on my life. There is nothing for me to gain from being there. But i am committed to fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves. And if i began to cower to people who dont agree because a lot of people dont agree with me dont share my faith. Daniel spoke to nebuchednezzar. Now youre preaching. People speak to leaders who dont agree or lineup with that. For me it Wasnt About Being seen. Clearly that did nothing for me. I believe let me say this to you, and i spoke to someone who i really respect today and talking about faith. Look, i am a person of faith. He said there is a reason that people would teach you about the bible, would let you congregate on the plantation, but would not allow you to read. Do you understand the meaning of that . Absolutely. It means they believe that religion keeps people in chains and that fighting back and saying, im not going to deal with this, turning the other cheek because they dont want you to leave the plantation. What do you say to that . He ri was never on the plantation. People keep overlooking so much, overlooking, you know, when it comes to women, overlooking what it says about gays, overlooking what it says about muslims, overlooking what it says just about every thing. Absolutely. There is so much. You just keep overlooking. People of the Faithbased Community, evangelicals affairs, adultery, all of those things, what . At what cost, at what price . I think thats the key. I wasnt on the president ial evangelical Advisory Board. I think what you said are valid. I can only speak for me. With everything that i could have lost and could still lose, i believe that my voice was necessary because i was there for people who could not fight for themselves. That was my intention and my heart. Thank you. Weve gone really long. Sorry. All im saying is turn the other cheek, fine. But if you keep turning you other cheek as all you do is get bruised and swollen. Thank you. I really appreciate you joining us. When we come back, while the president is distracting and deflecting about hoaxes and talk about the media his administration is changing crucial policies. How they are chipping away at owe kbam a care a obamacare and how it could affect you. Thats next. Take prilosec otc and take control of heartburn. So you dont have to stash antacids here. Here. Or, here. Kick your Antacid Habit with prilosec otc. One pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. Man are unpredictable crohns symptoms following you everywhere . Its time to take back control with stelara®. 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