Policy today because he started it. He has the power but why doesnt he want to do that . Were going to ask one of his top aides. Kellyanne conway is here to address the uproar and to talk opioid breakthroughs. Were also going to talk to the democrat leading the charge in calling for the secretary of Homeland Security to resign. Congressman harris, a democrat, is here. Are the children just going to keep growing in record numbers . Homeland security denies that what youre hearing is child abuse. Doctors may have criticized the conditions, but she insists the kids are very well taken care of. Wait until you hear this new audio. It tells a very different story. This matters. Leet g lets get after it. I want to play you something now. It was a secretly recorded audio tape published by pro republica purportedly inside one of the trump detention facilities. On the tape is apparently the sounds of some of these kids who are no longer with their parents, w, aailing for their parents. This is reality and something needs to be done about it. Mommy [ children crying ] there is a lot of kids that are in that situation. The Trump Administration says its about the law. His hands are tied. The president says he doesnt like this. Then why doesnt he do something about it . Lets get the white house reaction to that gutwrenching tape. Kellyanne conway, counsel to the president. Nobody wants to hear kids cry. I got parents, you got parents, we got warm blood pumping through our hearts. The president could stop the action tonight. But he wont. Why . Thank you for giving me the platform tonight since from yesterday people have amnesia. Im a mother, im a catholic, im a person with a conscience. I agree with the first lady and everyone who has said that they dont want children to be separated from their parents unduly. Do you know there are three conditions by which minors and adults are separated in these circumstances . Two of the three are to protect the children, and somehow all of you are glossing past that, so lets review the facts. The first is, if you cannot establish a familiar or custodial relationship between the adult and the minor, we have a 315 increase in the last few months alone in fraudulent cases, children being smuggled, presenting as a family. You have to care about these children also. The second reason you would separate a minor from an adult is if you feel like that child could be harmed. You see, sometimes these children clearly dont want to be with the adult man theyre presenting with, and you need to find out why that is. And the third reason is that if the adult has broken the law in entering the United States and now will be prosecuted, you can get to a port of entry and present for a credible fear asylum case. The support reminding people to do that. Go to one of the ports of entry and support the credible fear case. I only wish you would play the audiotape, the videotape, that cnn would do a surround sound program of the hundreds of thousands of minors that have come into the border into this nation in the last several years. I dont know where they are, do you . Does cnn know that those girls havent been drug trafficked, sex trafficked . Do you know that theyre with adult family members, people who love them . Do you know theyre alive . You can play all the audiotape, videotape that you want, you show me all the girls getting Birth Control injections because they face certain rape. Kellyanne, there is no reason for us to go down any avenues of speculation. I dont think tonight is the night to fight. I think this is black and white. The only thing that changed here you want to talk about the compassion part. So did the first lady. Everyone has. Youre glossing over things because im not glossing over anything. Where were you in 2014 . I was on it. Were you . Youre calling them trump Detention Centers. Isnt that clever branding . And the obama Detention Centers had what in them . Families. Ill let you speak. You want to talk facts, lets do it, its all we have in this situation. Obviously the emotion isnt enough, right . You knew this was going to happen. You knew when they increased enforcement and you didnt expand your capacity to deal with people. You knew it would make this moment. You knew it would come. What im saying is do you know how it gets expanded . Congress has to fund the expansion. You could have allocated it differently, and even if congress did act, they should act. I want people to start the hash tag doyourjob and find Common Ground and work on it. The president has called for that. But the president has called for Something Else as well, a new harshness. We will prosecute all cases. The law did not change, you know that, kellyanne. It hasnt changed in two administrations. What has changed is the politics. Catch and release, bad, weak, they dont show up for their hearings. Jeff sessions will prosecute every case. Thats why we have the kids crying. Its a fact. If you want to interview me, ask me a question. Why did you change this policy when you knew it would lead to these kids being separated this way . Excuse me. Christopher, its very simple. We have a law in this country, okay, and ive already talked about my capacity for compassion and the way we all feel. Let me finish. Congress passed a law a very long time ago that it is a crime to enter the country illegally. If they dont like it, if you dont like it, they should rescind the law or change the law. In fact, if i were a democrat right now, i would say, you know what, i just want open borders. I want to own it. Lets see what happens. Why dont they have the courage to do that . Why . Because it doesnt have to be all or none. This is a misdemeanor. Why dont you go out and catch scofflaws, jaywalkers . Round them all up and figure out what to do with them. Christopher, that is such a callous way of not answering my original question, my original challenge with tell me for certainty, tell everyone tonight on your show that you know what happened to those Central Americans. I dont even know where all my kids are on a regular basis, but you dont know where the kids are that were separated from their families. You dont have the high moral ground on this. You changed a policy to impress your base. You got a pop in the polls with them and youre okay with destruction and harshness. Just own it. How dare you. If you want to live in a sovereign nation that doesnt have borders, you go for it. Say we want open borders, just do it. Theyre saying dont take kids from parents when you dont have to, the way bush chose not to, the way obama chose not to, kellyanne. You know the play here. Its an ugly play. Listen to me. I have said to you what the president said steps behind me, or actually to the press, cnn reporters, three short days ago. Weve all said it. Nobody likes it. However, nobody also likes people coming and smuggling children. It is a huge enterprise. Why arent you at the border screaming every day to stop this half a trilliondollar enterprise in child smuggling. Ive actually covered what happens on the border. By the way, this administration hasnt been a big fan of doing something about it. What you want to do is arrest people for crossing illegally which is a misdemeanor. Thats what youre doing there. If all youve done is broken the law by crossing illegally, you will get a very swift adjudication. And you see senator cruzs bill doing very close to what the president called for last october. Where is congress eight months ago, christopher . He asked them to double the number on immigration judges. Why would he start prosecuting cases where he knew he would separate families and not have anywhere to put them . Excuse me. If all you did was not come through a port of entry, if you went between the ports of entry and the only law you had broken was crossing over illegally and you agree to that, you will be adjudicated and youll have time served and thats normally it. If youve broken another law these kids that were separated from their parents just came over the border illegally. Every case had Something Else, to turn the question on you. You know about that, kellyanne . You know 7,000 boys and girls are living safe and happy in america, right, chris . No, because everybody turns their back on it when it doesnt meet their political narrative. Im sick and tired of talking about congressional reform when this president in january invited republicans and democrats inside the cabinet room, cnn covered all 75 minutes of it live. Name for me the democrat who said, mr. President , you werent here in 2017, but we were, because god knows we were here too long forever. We were here in 2014. We want to tell you it was a very bad summer. There was a surge of explosion over the border. We want to work with you to make sure that never happens again. Who said that in that room . Tell me, who said it . Why is it an alternative waiting for congress to prosecute all illegal entrants and balloon the population of families you have to separate . Probably on an audiotape crying somewhere that you dont wish to find or play. I would go right now if i could get in. Im talking about the girls and the boys who came over from Central America over the last four years. None of these senators fixed that. We already have a problem so whats wrong with handling it this way . Youre making it worse, thats the problem. You act like it got invented last week. You changed the policy. Thats why they did catch and release. This is why operation streamline under bush was not made manifest. Its too harsh, its too complicated and they chose compassion. You didnt. You think it was compassionate . These family Detention Centers looked compassionate to you . Ive been reading articles all weekend. I told you already, and ill repeat it so that those who are trying to cherrypick this interview get it right for once, that im a catholic, im a mother, i have a conscience. I stand with the president , the first lady and everyone else who has said many different ways, christopher, that nobody likes this result. At the same time, you have to recognize what the secretary of Homeland Security said today. We have a 1700 increase in asylum claims. Christopher, we need the people who have credible fear presenting asylum. This is a deterrent. Youve got rising numbers coming across the border so certainly its not the scare factor you want it to be. If you have a conscience, why dont you tell the president , stop this policy. Its not a scare factor. The president is going to congress tomorrow. Lets see who shows up. Because so far every time your party has come to the white house and anywhere else what do you mean, my party . I dont have a party. I look at all these people the same way. Theyre people not getting things done for the American People. Thats how i look at congress right now. But general john kelly said when he was at the department of Homeland Security, we believe this will have a deterrent effect. He used the language because thats what you want to send as a message. Own it. That was over a year ago and the department of Homeland Security did not say that today. I know, today she said something that didnt make any sense. At least he was being honest. The only thing that changed is your policy and now you have this spin for the white house that the law is the problem. The law hasnt changed. You wont admit that youre spinning it because you wont admit that immigration in this country and Border Security has been a vexing problem for many years. The president has said give me money for the wall and this catch and release into the interior, secure our borders with different technologies but also with visible barriers you want to pick that like we have, like this is game of thrones and we have the wildings coming across the border and theyre such a virus. They dont pose the criminal threat that you say. You wont go after the employers that draw them into this country. Thats not true. How dare you and how dare im sorry, how did he verify work exactly well when president obama was in office . Your 7point plan is to try to go after the employers. How dare you. How dare i go there . Its a fact. When your kids are on the border, kellyanne, youll be sorry. Dont talk about donors. They donate to both parties and thats why they get protection, and thats why the family that comes across the border, theyre a threat. Probably ms13. And if not, certainly up to no good. But the corporations christopher, are you laughing about ms13 . Because i want you to go tell that to juan cina. When youre done talking, im sure this will really help. Listen, if you want to go tell juan pena, if you want to tell the first lady who were their guests this year, whose teenage daughters were savagely murdered, ms13 gangs motto is rape, kill and control. And youre laughing about it . You think its nothing theyve overtaken the middle schools. Youre in a bad spot, and i get it, but i just dont get why you dont fix it. Because im not on the side of child smugglers, im not on the side of ms13 gangs. This president wants to end that. A permanent separation the permanent separation between the children the problem is youre separating families as a funnel of enforcement. The problem is the separation of jamal turner and his son. Have you addressed the problem . Are you playing an audiotape of them weeping at night missing their children . Theyre permanently separated from their children. How dare you decide are they the ones that caused your problem . I dont have a problem. Youve got a big problem with this policy. This is a big problem. Youve got two out of three people in the country against you on this policy. Two out of three. Just cut it out and try to unpack this intelligently. I have already told you on the compassion side how we all feel. Then i tried to bring up the facts but thats just words because the president created the situation, kellyanne, so he doesnt get compassion points. You dont get compassion points when you change the policy to separate families. He deserves compassion points. When you have senator kamall ha harris on in a little while, i want you to ask her she prosecuted, what, a million felons at different times . How many were prosecuted that she knows were prosecuted . How many that went to jail were separated from their children . Its a different thing. Its not a good analogy. For many reasons i wont do it. Its not the same thing. Its a misdemeanor that you want to make something violent. No, no, no, these are people committing other crimes. I want to keep my word. Tell my audience what has changed and what it means, please. Sure. But remember, Border Security also has to do with keeping the drugs out of the country. So much of it comes through the southern border. So much of it comes through our mail. This president has a 3front war against Opioid Crisis and drug demand overall. First, prevention and education so that we are teaching our youth be a somebody, dont be a statistic. We are trying to reduce the stigma and silence that comes with chemical dependency and drug use. It starts in the medicine cabinet. That tiny little bottle, family doctor, local pharmacy, if you misuse someone elses prescription, its not good. We had 6,000 americans died in 2016 due to opioids. The president has called for a 30 across the board reduction in new prescriptions in the next three years. Hes already bending the curve in the right direction. We see a lot of support from the pharmacists, from the physicians, actually from legislators right, front and center, which is great. Number two, education and recovery. Having that rules change. Having medicare and medicaid granti granting waiver to see we dont have empty hospital beds. Im going very quickly here. Thank you. The third one is intervention and Law Enforcement. Do you know on the news there is a new season of fentanyl . In nebraska last weekend, they seized enough fentanyl to kill 20,000 people. It is 50 times as strong as heroin, 100 times as strong as morphine. Its an instant killer for people. Its being laced into marijuana, laced into street drugs, laced into others. We have new ads out. They started running on broadcasts including, i think, your show today. Theyre on google and facebook and elsewhere. We teamed up with the opioid initiative. They have combatted tobacco use in this country, and we teamed up with the ad council, 75 years in history. We call this the crisis next door. This president , this first lady very involved. The entire administration, whole government approach. I dont think he talked about it enough. So thank you, cnn, for giving us at least two minutes time on it. I appreciate it. Every time you have an advancement, you can come on here and talk about it. Its a huge scourge in our society, everybody should know about it. Pass all the laws and show heart. A phone call away from keeping those kids from crying. Lets see what happens. Kellyanne, thank you for being with us. Thank you. The president wants you to say, hey, hes got a big heart. 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