To be because the people involved knew that congress was on to the scam. And by they, we can now definitely include President Trump. Why . Reportedly the president was briefed about the whistleblower complaint before he released the ukraine aid. You know, right when he started saying, no quid pro quo, no quid pro quo. I want nothing, when he had just said the opposite before that. We also have two other pieces of the puzzle that make the picture of potential impeachment even more clear. So what do you say . Lets get after it. All right. This comes from the New York Times just tonight. Sources say President Trump already knew about the whistleblower complaint when he released the hold on military aid to ukraine on september 11th. The times reports lawyers from the White House Counsels Office briefed the president in late august. Remember, im going to lay out the whole time line for you again in detail in the next segment. But july 25th is the call, right . Then august he finds out about the whistleblower. September, they release the aid out of nowhere. This is a vital piece of information. To develop the truth of why the aid was suddenly released. And remember why that matters, because if this wasnt about leveraging ukraine, well, whats their defense . Well, we gave them the aid. But why did they do it then . If they did it then because they thought everything was about to be exposed, theyre in trouble. Lets bring in tennessee congressman steve cohen. He sits on the house Judiciary Committee, which is of course going to be the next instrument of a potential impeachment. This is where it really becomes a serious confrontation. Congressman, well talk about the process in a second. Lets start with the headline. What does it mean to you that the president , not just the white house, was well aware of the whistleblower complaint to some degree of detail just weeks before they released the aid . Its obviously why he did it. If the whistleblower didnt file his report, the president of ukraine would have gone on television on your network at trumps request and announced the investigation of the bidens so he would get the military aid. He was scheduled to do it because he didnt know different. Trump had it. He loved him according to sondland, would do anything for him. But trump found out about the whistleblower, the fact that it was going to become public. He knew what he did was wrong, and so he released the aid. You cant put the genie back in the bottle. There are other pieces, mark sandy, senior official at omb, hears about the hold on the aid, says this doesnt seem right. He says, i think this might be illegal. We should look at it. He winds up resigning over the situation. Significance . Well, there were people that were on the inside who heard what was going on and knew that it was not about corruption in ukraine or corruption in any other country to give foreign aid to like afghanistan and iraq, which are much more corrupt and get much more aid. It was about political. It was about using the powers of the presidency and the funds authorized by congress to benefit yourself with political dirt on your opponent. That is a danger to national security. Its abuse of power. They knew it, and it was recognized. The fact that people saw it there bad fact that i want to hear argued in front of your committee, congressman, if i could take your case on this, is this president had given aid to ukraine in two budgetary cycles before now. He never raised the issue of biden in those to our knowledge. The only thing that changed ostensibly is the former v. P. Decided to run for office. Well, the fact is in previous times that aid was given, there was no connection at all to, quote, unquote, corruption and ukraine was a very corrupt country, but they didnt have a president who had been elected who was a corruption fighter. They had a president who was corrupt, and yet that wasnt even questioned. All of a sudden it became important about corruption. They dont care about corruption. The fact is they wrote the book. The idea of corrupt intent, the constructive analogy for you guys in terms of what the wrong was, is this was a bribe. Youre going to have to make the proof to the American People against counsel now at the Judiciary Committee level that this was a scam all along to lever ukraine. One of the major defenses will be, but he believed it, congressman. He believed ukraine was involved in the 2016 interference, and he believed that the bidens were up to no good. So he had a goodfaith interest in doing it. Therefore, he could not form corrupt intent. I dont think that that can be seen. You have to have a willing suspension of disbelief, not even aristotle would buy that argument that he really all of a sudden found that to be true and that ukraine was involved. It comes right out of moscow and not that the president hasnt agreed with moscow on other things when he was in helsinki he was saying, i dont see putin says he didnt interfere with our elections, i dont see why he would, and basically agreed with putin. Trump is a man of convenience. His shifting morality and shifting ethics, but its clear from anybody looking with an objective eye that he wanted dirt on the bidens. He was fearful of joe biden being his opponent. Secondary defense is going to be, i didnt know what rudy was doing. Yeah, i trust rudy, so he went out there, but i didnt know what he was doing. Now, weve heard in the past that rudy has said, i was doing this for my client. My client was aware of some of it before, some of it after, but i was working as his attorney. Is there any credence to that theory . Does it give any clearance to the president if this is about what rudy did, not what the president knew about what he did . I think theres information thats come out that pompeo had talked to rudy. Yes. Pompeo wont testify, nor will giuliani to our committee. But that pompeo and giuliani had talked. Giuliani and sondland had talked. Ambassador sondland was a key i wouldnt put him to the level of john dean, but he had giuliani and pompeo and mulvaney and the whole cast of characters as totally in the loop and plotting it, and theres no question thats what was going on. Then all of a sudden, mulvaney tries to find a way how can we rationalize this when they found out the gig was up. If you could get one guy, who would be the one guy that you want to come in . And may i make a suggestion of bolton given what he tweeted today . What does he mean by saying that the policy aims were being, you know, subverted from within . Well, bolton encouraged people that were working underneath him, and i think it was fiona hill, and there was another person to go testify and to take action, which they did, and they did testify. But bolton wont do it because bolton wants to sell his book. You dont know why bolton is doing these things. I suspect its selling his book. One of the guests on the previous show was saying how bolton is such a strong republican, and he is, and thats his whole social ties. Hes not going to want to cut those just like mcgahn is probably not going to want to cut them either. Thats where their bread is buttered and thats whats going to make a difference. Theyre not caring about america. They care about their future and their contacts and their abilities to sell what theyve learned from government either in a book deal or in clients at jones day. Something weve been arguing a lot with defenders of the president is going to be made manifest when the proceedings start in your committee. This has been the investigatory phase up until now. It was done with clinton by ken starr. It was done under nixon by a couple of different people running a grand jury. You guys did it yourselves here. They kept saying, this is so unfair. The president doesnt have any representation. You never get representation in the investigative. No. And even to the extent they werent supposed to have any, they had half the room, and the Intel Committee was fighting for them tooth and nail. They did nothing but the republicans except try to find clearance for the president. But now in Judiciary Committee, that changes. Counsel can be there. They can question witnesses. What will that dynamic look like . Resolution 660 that sets out the rules gives the republican president more rights in the Judiciary Committee than either nixon was given or clinton was given. Why . There are more defense rights because were bending over backwards. The democrats do that. Speaker pelosi wanted to do that and make it clear that were giving due process and to try and minimize the argue president. No matter what we had done, theyd say it wasnt enough. Id like to see donald trump appear. Donald trump likes to talk to the American People. Today he called it b. S. At his rally. He likes to use, you know, vulgar terms, and they love it. Id like to have him come to congress, sit down in a chair and answer questions. Thats what he should do if hes truly innocent, if he really didnt have malevolent intent and if he really thought it was corruption and truly believed that the ukrainians were the people that were involved in getting up dirt in the 2016 election. Come and tell the American People. If you dont, youre a coward, donald trump. Congressman steve cohen, heavy words just before thanksgiving. Thank you very much and the best to you and the family. Thank you, chris. Happy thanksgiving to you. All right. Steve cohen basically calling the president a turkey just a couple of days before thanksgiving. Will that move him looking at what happened with mueller, i doubt it. What the president says is just a taunt. What he does is play it safe. This new reporting tonight, though, shows just how important the time line is here, just like in all investigations. When did things happen, and in what sequence . Now were starting to see just like this image on your tv. One big ugly face, but millions of little pixelations, little pieces. Now we can lay out a time line that will give us a much better sense of why things happened and when. Next. Apparently we come from a long line of haberdashers. We chose eleanor. It was greatgrandmas name. So were in this little town near salerno and everyone has dads eyebrows. Help your family discover their unique story, with a gift from ancestry. 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Tonights New York Times is helpful, and it forces us to take a fresh look at what the president knew and when he knew it. This is not a cliche. It is a key to understanding what matters here. So lets lay it out in a simple time line, and youll see reality come into focus. The call with the ukrainian president around 9 00 in the morning, thats not so interesting, july 25th. But thats when the president specifically asked for a favor of ukraines president to look into a Conspiracy Theory which has been dismissed by that by everybody, but to look into ukraines role in any interference in 2016 and the bidens. He says bidens, okay . Some of you want to imagine that that didnt happen. Look at the transcript. He also tells him, talk to rudy, showing that he knows what rudy is doing. That same day, an official at the budget office, omb, another acronym in the alphabet soup that weve all had to learn about this, signed the first documents officially putting dod, department of defense money for ukraine on hold. That official is named mark sandy, and he spoke with impeachment investigators. Why . All right. Well get into that in just a bit. But the time line is what matters. Tonight the times is reporting that in late august, before it was known to the public thats key white house lawyers told the president about the whistleblower complaint. Now, we had heard that there had been communication interagency about the whistleblower and what to do and what they had, but not this far, that the president himself knew. They didnt yet know what the information would come to, whether it would go to congress or not. It wasnt until september 9th when congress launched the investigation. That same day, trumps Million Dollar donor turned eu pa ambassador called the president. Reeve this . I believe i just asked him an open ended question. What do you want from ukraine . I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that. What do you want . It was a very short, abrupt conversation. He was not in a good mood. He said, i want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell zelensky to do the right thing. Does donald trump seem to be the man kind of man to you that throws around the term quid pro quo . Think about that for a second. Why . Okay. Theres the call. He hears about the whistleblower complaint. What does the whistleblower talk about . Concerns of a quid pro quo, right . Then what happens . Congress starts asking questions. Then mr. Sondland, who said everybody knew what was going on, we were working with rudy at the express direction of the president , everybody now. All of a sudden, sondland doesnt know anymore. So he calls the president , i dont know what to do. And the president says exactly what he needs to do to cya. Interesting when you look at it that way. Its a whole different story here if the president already knew the whistle had been blown when he took that call from sondland. Two days later, the military aid is released. Why . No one can tell us. How interesting. You think youd have a story for why you were going to do Something Like this when you knew it would be the critical move, right . Because releasing the aid is the only clarity for this president to get past the conceit of this scam. He had to release the money before anything happened. Now, back to mark sandys testimony from the office of management and budget, the budget official. He shares new details about who was pulling the strings when it came to the money. Lets rewind the time line and look at what else we learned today about the freezing of aid. So sandy says, even before the call with zelensky, okay, he was telling his bosses, whats up with this money being withheld . Im sure he didnt sound like that, but hes suggesting maybe its illegal. Then on july 30th, his boss, very important here, not a deep stater, which means a conscientious person who has sacrificed years and years to their duties, but a political appointee from trump. He took immediate control of the aid process. We know during all this two people left their jobs with the omb. One did leave because they had another job somewhere else in the government. Put him to the side. But both still, im giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one. Im moving that one to the side. But both sandy and that person expressed concerns about how the money was being withheld and why. Now, when you take all this together, any question of what was in the president s mind is gone. Why . Because you know what you can show. They cant say why the aid was released. Theyve offered no other explanation. He knew there were questions about the call. He knew congress was on to it. He knew what the whistleblower had. 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