Because the law says there are periods of counting that come after that. Okay . Legitimate ballots are allowed and counted in multiple states routinely. The president knows this. Why would he mislead you and tell that you anything that happens after election day is fraudulent. Why would he create this confusion . Same reason as always. It may work for him. How so . A Trump Campaign source says, trump could declare victory on tuesday even if he hasnt won. Even if he hasnt clinched 270 electoral votes. How . Heres the scenario. Trump takes florida. The states start falling either way. Biden wins michigan and wisconsin, doesnt get North Carolina, georgia, comes down to pennsylvania. And its close. And its tuesday. And trump says its not that close. We won. But now they want to count for more days the. Sounds suspicious, right . Its bs. The law in the state for a long time now, and challenged at the Supreme Court level wasnt changed is, theyre going to continue to count mailin ballots for three days after election day. If theyre received by election day. Now, if theyre post marked by election day. If they could that a few days later, theyll still count them. Six of the counties that trump won in 2016, and remember, this was a surprise. It clinched it for hip. He won by 44,000 votes. Six of the counties say they wont even start counting mailin ballots until after tuesdays election. Why would he Say Something that could hurt him . Because he thinks it might help him. But know this. The idea that we may have to wait for counties in pennsylvania or pennsylvania overall, or other states that have laws to count beyond tuesday is expected and legitimate. For the president to say otherwise is at a minimum untrue. So bleenlt believe it. But at a maximum, he knows its untrue. What does that tell you . Win or lose, this president s mandate must call for a demand for better. Not just more of the same. Now, joe biden says with some fire, he doesnt care what this president says but he will not steal election. I thought there was a sound bite there. Its a dramatic pause, nonetheless. Lets take idea to the cnn correspondent to fill us in. How was that . Did it work for you . The state of play. I was watching the pressess fourth rally of the day. Hes on a fivestate blitz. What have we heard from him directly . What weve heard from the president is repeated attempts, repetitioned attempts on undermine the election. There is no mystery. He knows that hes losing. That he knows a majority of americans disprove of his his performance. And so hes trying to figure out some way to screw with the vote counting process to somehow jigger an outcome to his fare. You had one of his advisers going on the sunday show today and saying, were going to be leading and have more than 280 electoral votes on Election Night and then theyre going to try to steal it. That is preposterous. You dont have any electoral votes until youve won a state and you havent won a state until theyve counted the votes in the state. That argument is so outrageous that the president as he after he puts a nutty idea out front, he kind of tries to walk it back. Take a listen to this. That was a false report. Wee look at what happens. I think it is a terrible thing when ballots can be collected after an election. Youll have one or two or three states, depending on how it ends up. Where theyre tabulating ballots and the rest of world is waiting to find out. I think there is great danger to it and i think fraud and misuse can take place and i dont think its fair that we have to wait a long period of time after the election. If people wanted to get their ballots in, they should have gotten their ballots in before. The president is trying to justify this rhett pick hes using by saying, you should have gotten your vote in. We have a pandemic. Weve got problems with the Postal Service. Unprecedented conditions people are adjusting to. What the president is trying to do in trying to mess with the outcome of the election. Hes talking like a thug and hes encouraging his aides and supporters to act like thugs. Thats why you saw these people with these trucks trying to run the bidenharris bus off the road the other day. You saw people trying to tie up traffic for no reason in new york. Theyre trying to see if they can get away with it. The judicial branch, weve seen it in texas. We have the prospect of thely gags about ballots coming in three days late in North Carolina and also in pennsylvania. The question is, will republican judges go i know what that. And there are certain indications that the conservative bloc on the court would go with the president. You heard bret kaevanaugh. It is nuts. There is no evidence of vote fraud which Brett Kavanaugh could find out from ben ginsburg, his partner, in the 2000 Bush Campaign when they were trying to stop the voting counting in florida. And ben ginsburg said there is no evidence of fraud. The Republican Party is trying to gin it up. Ben ginsburg famous for his litigation role in the election of bush v gore that wound up in the Supreme Court. While trump continues to sow doubt, joe biden is going the other way. Our response is the president isnt going to steal this election. The interesting part is trump keeps saying biden is sowing doom and gloom. A lot of ballots come in after election day. Sometimes from military members. This isnt new. Mj lee is following the Biden Campaign. Whats the word . Reporter the way joe biden would like the prevent President Trump from prematurely declaring victory is not only to win but to have a decisive victory. Thats why we saw biden bring his campaign back, really to where it all started. This is the state where he was born. Pittsburgh is the place he held his first event as a candidate in 2020. And philadelphia is where his campaign is headquartered. This is where we saw and campaigned all day today. And tomorrow, really, his entire campaign is going to be fanned out across the state of pennsylvania. And i will tell you, one word that we keep hearing from democrats including biden and also former barack obama in recent days is complacency. Democrats look back on 2016 and they will now openly acknowledge that they did take some of these midwestern states for granted. These states that were supposed to be the blow was for the democratic party. They will say openly that Hillary Clinton, the formerer democratic nominee, just did not spend enough time and resources in some of these areas. What theyre trying to do now is to really avoid the mistakes of 2016. But i will note, tomorrow if you look at bidens schedule, he is going to be starting the day out in cleveland, ohio. This just goes to show you. And it is a good reminder that they are of course pouring resources into states where the polling is a lot closer. It is more competitive. It should be more difficult for biden to try to win some of these states. Theyre doing that because they want asle pathways to 270 as possible. It is also why we are seeing the Biden Campaign spend time in states like texas, georgia, North Carolina, the calculation here, chris, is that if they are able to pick up one of those states, it makes it infinitely harder for President Trump to also have a pathway to 270. If joe biden could pick up texas, we would have a very different tuesday night plan than we do right now. The theory for both teams should be leave it all on the field. All on the court. Go everywhere you can in this the final bill. Anything less than that is always a mistake. Thats how you do your job. Thank you for working 24 7. Lets bring in David Gregory and dana bash. Biden saying maybe we get texas. If he gets texas, he has a very different night planned than what were looking at now. Lets discuss why talk about pennsylvania is specifically what may be our reality on Election Night. The president is not picking pennsylvania by chance. A few things. Youre right. The map and the road to 270. For both candidates, it is on that road. Pennsylvania really appears critical. Maybe more for President Trump but it is absolutely critical. And you remember, four years ago, the way donald trump won was to jack up his vote in the already republican areas and surprised democrats who did okay. Hillary clinton did okay in the suburbs. But not well enough. And certainly not well enough to counter balance the rural areas. What is so interesting about joe biden in pennsylvania, for example, is that he hasnt been ignoring even areas where he knows that republicans are going to win. He just wants to get the share of the democratic vote up. Even a little bit in some of those really, really republican, conservative areas. You will see that tomorrow when his Campaign Goes to the four corners of pennsylvania. Not just the cities, not just the suburbs. It is those rural areas that is really Trump Country. We often, i often have to look at what the president does through the lens of, why lie about this . He knows what the law is in pennsylvania and he knows why it is legitimate. Yengs the election doesnt end november 3rd. Why is he saying it . He knows he won by 44,000 votes last type there. It could very well be tight. He wants it to be close enough on Election Night it could be a disadvantage for him in mailin ballots and say, he won. Thats what we heard out of his campaign as speculation. He is working his supporters so he can build that momentum if it becomes close. Theres a human cry that something is unfair. Even working judges who may be looking at that and will do so dispassionately, we hope and trust. I think the president senses some momentum in the close of the campaign. Theres a lot we dont know. We look at data that shows had democrats voting earlier than republicans. We see some tightening at the polls. Theres no doubt that buoys the president. He has deep support without fail toward end so thats where he sees the critical bout. Making it clear that pennsylvania is more winnable than florida or michigan. What could happen in arizona or georgia and how those could be daggers to him. Hes playing a more conventional view. A lot of what he had in 2016. Weve seen the ground today. Michigan, iowa, North Carolina, georgia, florida. Biden did two events in pennsylvania. What does that tell but the difference of opinion about what they need to do . Well, joe biden has been more covid careful. Thats just a fact. And donald trump is trying to finish out the Campaign Like w a crescendo. He is running the 2020 Campaign Like did he in 2016 and hes doing it because it worked. He did surprise the clinton campaign. And frankly the whole country by getting out voters that almost didnt exist before. Hes trying to do the same thing again. I want to add, i think youre getting it. About what the president was saying about not counting votes after election day. Thats exactly what will happen in pennsylvania. By law. By law. The Republican Legislature said that when they changed the rules to allow for the first time, they didnt go far enough to allow the counties to start doing it early like states are doing. That is why it could take longer. First, pre election voting has surpassed twothirds of all ballots. Forgive me for looking down but i dont want to get any numbers wrong. Two thirds of all ballots cast in the 2016 president ial election. Weve now passed that. Pennsylvania has fewer early ballots there than other swing states because of what dana is talking about. Thats something to remember also. That it is not like they think theres some cultural huge bulk of votes that come in later. Right, right. If the president is in a position where hes held a lot of his territory from 2016 and it relies on the upper midwest, then pennsylvania is where he wants to fight and he wants to throw as much shade on the Legal Process of counting votes, including for members of the military who would be voting absentee, whose votes would be counted not until the end of the day when the polls close. He wants to throw doubt on that and begin the process of litigation if there is any basis for that. He is so much different than president bush who dana and i covered in 2004. When it was not official until the next morning because of ohio and there was a big debate at the white house. I was on the north lawn pressuring the news media from inside the white house. Call it for bush. Call it for bush. He demurd. His top advisers said you cant put a crown on your head and declare this thing. Trump is an entirely different guy who looks at the levers of power and his ability to maneuver them much differently. Remember, this isnt a legal battle that brought to us this point in pennsylvania. There is been a legal battle about what a state legislature did in pennsylvania. And what a states Supreme Court did with its own constitution and legislation. A world of difference from 2000. Not 2004 but the 2000 race because and why scotus had jurs addition and purview over that. I know alito and kavanaugh have said. For them to take what a state decided by legislative process and review with it its own judiciary and change it would be true precedent of a new way of the Supreme Court. Youre supposed the stay away from things have gone through the purview unless there is a larger constitutional issue. What will it be here . Thank you both. A lot of craziness. Why . Because when, it is okay the say anything without any basis. You get a real war of words. Now, you have the president s favorite pandemic adviser on your screen right now. Remember, dr. Scottate las has never dealt with a pandemic before. It is not his area of medicine. It is not his area of experience. Why is he talking to russian state tv days before our election and saying all the wrong kinds of things from a scientific perspective . Dr. Scot atlas is apologizing for stepping in it and hes been stepping on dr. Fauci, americas most trusted person in the mix. One of our favorite doctors on what the hell is going on here. Next. 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To have a couple of days before the election his most influential adviser on the White House Coronavirus task force go on russian state media and give a 30minute long interview saying stuff like this . It will go down as an epic failure of Public Policy by people who refused to accept they were wrong. The Public Health leadership have failed egregiously and theyre killing people with their fear inducing shutdown policies. Just to be very clear about the facts to this. You wont find a country that has rebounded effectively against the virus that didnt close things down in their society in order to motivate that change. Longer, shorter, how much, how many, all legitimate topics for debate. We should be debating it right now. Go on russian state tv and saying about how the lockdowns are making people die in america . Its crazy. He is now apologizing. Not for what embut he says he was unaware that russian state tv is a registered foreign agent. Lets get some thoughts from friend to the show. An easy question. Do you think that if you were in that position, you would just wanted order to russia state tv thinking, it might as well be anybody else . Thanks for having me on. R. Tshs, russia today, has asked me several times to be on and i said no. I dont do russian state propaganda. And it was objection to me who they are. It was obvious to me who they are. And dr. Atlas claims he doesnt know when he has the entire white House Media Team behind him . Thats not believable. Unbelievable in the true sense of the word. Its not like they jumped him in the street. More importantly, what he said lrksds are bad. Kill people. Make more people sick than they help. This has been a standard thing that hes been saying since march. Lets be clear. Nobody likes lockdowns. No one advocates for them to use them as means of last resort when Everything Else has failed. Theyre only necessary when things are out of control. 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