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CNNW Declassified September 23, 2019

I think its the betrayal that gets me. Like, how dare you . Its a sensitive time because we were launching a war. Our boys and girls in uniform are going to die because she stabbed them in the back. Almost every nation in the world spies. Most nations in the world spy against the United States. We are the number one target. There are at least 70, give or take 10, nations spying on the u. S. If you were to believe there are probably in excess of 100,000 foreign agents working in this country, thats not paranoia. Thats a good guess. My name is chris simmons. I was a career Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence agency where i headed counterintelligence analysis for the americas team. The Defense Intelligence agency is the pentagons intelligence apparatus. Dias focus on the National Security structure of every nation in the world. The way we became engaged with this case, a woman who led part of the fbi investigation, took the initiative to set up the meeting. The fbi explained weve heard you and your team are the best there are on cuban intelligence, and we are part of an fbi spy case that involved cuba, which had been dragging on for three years. Were frustrated. Can you help us . I was so concerned about the damage that this mole could have already inflicted and would continue to inflict that i immediately called scott carmichael. Scott carmichael was head of our investigations side. I loved being a spy hunter. I love the chase. Nothing would make me happier than for somebody to say, well, scott, we know espionage is occurring. Weve got these few tidbits of information. Can you help us out . You bet. I especially love what are termed unsub investigations, unknown subject investigations. And those are investigations where you have good reason to believe that espionage is occurring. You have absolutely no idea who might be doing it. Fbi was trying to identify a cuban spy who was possibly in the d. C. Area, and they knew a few tidbits of information about the spy. But they had no idea who this person was, where this person worked. Well, thats the problem. Because what they were talking about was the possibility that there was a cuban agent with access to classified information. Cuba does not pose a credible military threat to the United States. The real danger of cuban intelligence operations is that the intelligence take is shared by cuba with other countries. He shares information with iran, china, russia, even venezuela, north korea. What makes cuba important is that its the worlds biggest intelligence trafficker. And i say that in the context of the sale or barter of u. S. Secrets is now one of the central engines of the cuban economy. Whether thats political secrets, economic secrets, military secrets, every country has interest in the United States. And cuba, their ability to steal secrets, they outperform almost every nation in the world. The cubans are so good for several reasons. At the start of the cold war, the russians and all the warsaw pact allies saw the cubans as useful partners that would not draw attention like they would. The russians, the poles, every service in the world trained the cubans. Cuba exploited the perception that theyre not a threat because it lowers their cost of espionage, and it gets them more clients because situations that would be hard for the chinese or russians to do, cuban agents can do easily. Building an unsub case is like putting a puzzle together. The challenge is you dont know what the puzzle looks like and you dont know how many pieces there are. The fbis case, they had three very distinct pieces of the puzzle as they share their puzzle pieces. It turns out, i had the fourth puzzle piece. That one piece of information fit perfectly into what they had just shared, and when we put it all together, i told them that the fbi is looking in the wrong place. Because the unsub doing the three things you just shared, coupled with the fourth piece of the puzzle, there are probably 40 or 50 people that could do what your unsub can do. And in all likelihood is working within the confines of the Defense Intelligence agency. Even more narrowly, the spy was almost certainly in our building. What was the information that the fbi had . What did it show you . The information that our colleagues shared with us remains classified to this day because it would reveal some of our methods that the cubans arent yet aware of. Some of the methods and systems that the dia employs to collect information about other countries activities are so sophisticated, and thats why espionage is so dangerous. Because if you tell other countries, hey, the United States is able to do this, they will then guard against that. And, of course, that degrades our ability to collect information that our war fighters need in the event they go to war with some country. Thats the problem. For most of the years that i worked for dia, i was a senior counterintelligence investigator. So if anybody was engaging in espionage in the agency, on my watch, that was an affront to me. I hate that. I think its the betrayal that gets me. Like, how dare you. One Investigative Lead that the fbi had was that the spy in question had traveled to the naval station at guantanamo, cuba. During a specific time frame. That was the best Investigative Lead. I knew people that travel to gitmo require permission to do so. And they submit the request for information by message. And its searchable by keyword. It only took me moments to submit my query. And the system produced a hit file. A list of messages, about 100 of them, that matched parameters of my search. So i started hitting my function key very quickly just to see if i would recognize names. And the 20th one it was very, very emotional. The moment i saw her name, i knew. 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This stuff is so extraordinarily sensitive that only a handful of people would be given access to it. Someone in anas position could cause exceptionally grave damage to our collective security, and she could do that in a moment, which means a greater possibility that our war fighters, who are our boys and girls, will die. Thats why this is not a game. I actually went into shock. And at that moment, i realized im the only guy outside of havana who knew that ana montes was a major spy. Now, this was not the first time id seen ana montes name. I had other interactions with ana. And during the course of those interactions with her, i developed a gut feeling that there was something wrong and suspicious about this woman. And so when i saw her name again, i knew that she was the spy that they were looking for. Four years earlier, in april of 1996, one of our employees, rich brown, came to me expressing concerns about ana. He said her actions during a specific incident caused me great concern. 3, 2, 1. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, ive just been briefed by the National Security adviser on the shooting down today of two american civilian airplanes by cuban military aircraft. On the 24th of february, 1996, the cuban military shot down two aircraft operated by a cuban immigrant group called brothers to the rescue. Two civilian aircraft piloted by a total of three american citizens were shot down in International Air space by cuban migs. Do you have relatives . My son. Our son was in one of the airplanes. That was the murder of three american citizens. Now in response to the shootdown, the United States government scrambled to figure out what had happened and how we might respond. One of the first people that the pentagon called in as an expert to advise them was ana montes. In that circumstance, when the pentagon calls you in, you must stay in place until youre dismissed. Doesnt matter how long. If youre in there for two months, you stay there until our senior military leaders no longer have a need for your expertise. Rich brown called the pentagon shortly after 8 00 p. M. That night just to ask ana a question, but she left. And he thought, well, thats odd. Rich thought that her actions in leaving the pentagon early was suspicious. So the first thing i did was take a look at our own records. Everybody at dia has a personnel file. Everybody has a security file. I reviewed our files on ana montes, and what i found was an absolutely model employee. Ana had been working at dia since 1985, and shed never committed a security violation. She rose through the ranks. Very quickly, lifbd very modestly. She was the kind of employee that supervisors hold up for others to emulate. So, the assessment that ana might be a spy just didnt make a lot of sense. Nevertheless, i decided to interview her. And ana gave me great answers to most of my questions. But then when i started questioning her about just going home and did anybody see you, her entire demeanor changed. One minute were joking and laughing, having a good time, and the next minute, she is scared to death that i know something that she did. And i had no idea what it was. I didnt know what was going on. But i walked away from that situation with a gut feeling that she was hiding something from me that was very important to her. And that gut feeling played a major role four years later. In september of 2000 when her name popped up on that screen. And so i contacted the fbi. I met with them. I told them, look. Ive got an employee who i think is your suspect. The fbi had yet Additional Data that they were employing to measure suspects. New information which i had not previously possessed. And i refer to it as a template. Ana montes did not match up against that template at all. The fbi told me that, well, on the basis of this information alone, i can eliminate your employee as a suspect in this case. And they, obviously, had a lot of confidence in the validity of this new information. They used it as a trump card on me. From the time i left the meeting until the time i took the elevator ride downstairs and i found myself literally out on the curb, i knew that ana was at work three miles south in our headquarters building. I could just picture her in my minds eye. That woman who is in my building pulling this crap on my watch, placing our entire nations future at risk. She was going to get the hell out of there. Now i needed the fbi to help make that happen. I said were going to persuade the fbi that ana montes was the spy that they were looking for. And i realized i had to attack the trump card. When you have diabetes, dietary choices are crucial to help manage blood sugar, but it can be difficult to find a balanced solution. 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Somebody is manipulating the data in order to get the outcome that youre looking at. And i saw a pattern which i knew could never occur in a random world. Cant happen. It had to be the cubans. The fbi was using the trump card that was being manipulated. They didnt know it. And so at that moment, i realized that i had cracked the trump card. I wrote up an eightpage memo, and the next morning, i faxed that eightpage memo to the fbi. About an hour later, the fbi case agent steve mccoy called me. And the first thing he said was, scott, i think weve gotten off on the wrong foot. I think were going to be working together for a while. I was relieved. The only way we were going to be successful is to work together. And it was at that moment, i knew we were going to be okay. One of the things that the fbi did was to assign a cocase agent by the name of pete lapp. So the first time i heard the name ana montes was at our Christmas Party in 2000. I knew the fbi had gotten the name of a suspect, someone who may have matched one of these unsub cases as we call them. I talked to steve mccoy the senior case agent and said, hey, i hear youre working this case. You have a name. Id love to work with you on this. So he said, yeah, sure. Id really appreciate your help. And from there, we worked the entire case together with scott. Its important to keep in mind the fbi has to prove these cases. Were the lead Counterintelligence Agency for the United States. The bureau is going to be the organization that brings charges against someone for espionage. Theres a lot of pressure on us to get it right. Knowing someone is guilty of espionage is fundamentally different than proving that someone is guilty of espionage. So lets validate scotts claim that shes an agent of a foreign power. In fact, who were looking for. And then lets try to catch her in the act of committing espionage. National security letters are hugely important tools for the fbi. So a National Security letter is a letter thats issued by the fbi that compels financial institutions, credit institutions, Telephone Companies to relinquish critical information. And once montes is identified as a suspect, we opened a full investigation on her. It allowed us the opportunity to use National Security limits. We had very sensitive intelligence that told us that the unknown subject had purchased a specific brand, make and model computer at a specific period of time in 1996 from a store in alexandria. No further information. Through National Security letters, i identified anas line of credit. And from that, we knew that ana had made a purchase at comp usa back in october of 1996. In april 2001, we served a National Security letter at comp usa and asked them, could we identify a specific purchase made here in october of 1996 . And they said we keep records that far back behind the store and we only keep them for about five years. This was april 2001. The records were almost destroyed. So we pulled out boxes. And about 20 minutes after we started, the assistant manager for comp usa said, is t

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