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CNNW Early Start With John Berman And Christine Romans November 19, 2015

Two apartments in a paris suburb. Hundreds of police officers, special forces, military troops descended on a building north of paris in saintdenis early wednesday looking for the man who is believed to have orchestrated the friday attacks. Abdelhamid abaaoud. Hes belgian. Investigators are trying to determine if one of the bodies in the building there is abaaoud. There was so much destruction, they have to sift through the body parts and try to match the dna if they can get it. They say one woman blew herself up at the beginning of the raid. She was wearing some kind of suicide belt. She has been identified in some reports as abaaouds cousin. Eight people were arrested in wednesdays operation. Officials make clear they do not think abaaoud was one of them. Meanwhile, a newly released isis video is warning of an impending attack on new york city. It appears to have an explosive device and someone zipping a jacket over a suicide belt. The mayor de blasio says there is no current threat at this time. This is the kind of thing isis says and does. Officials believe the video of new york city is anything new. It could be file footage. Thats what they want to do, frighten and terrorize people. The group has claimed to kill hostage, one from china and one from norway. The group posted the pictures of the men on the online magazine with the words for sale below the portraits. Now we are waiting for the results of the dna tests for that apartment raided by police in saintdenis. Investigators want to know if the alleged planner of the attacks on friday, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, was one of the two People Killed. Frederik pleitgen joins us. How long before we get the results . Thats a good question. It is not clear. Authorities are working as fast as possible to try to get some clarity. The big issue is they dont really have any of abaaouds dna to start with. It is going to be difficult to find out if it is abaaoud. They will have to find relatives and try to get some dna and try to find a match that way. That is one of the reasons why we have not had any confirmation at this point in time. The fact there is so much destruction in the house makes it difficult. What we know is french officials told us, of the eight people arrested, abaaoud is not one of them. And salah abdeslam. He is not one of them either. That is the big question. Where he is. That manhunt continues. He is that attacker that apparently got away from the scene. We dont know who the eight people are who are in custody right now. Thats a huge question. It is a huge question. They think they will get information of the wider planning of all this. All of the indications are what happened in paris on friday and what happened in saintdenis yesterday is linked. You have abaaouds cousin there. It indicates it would be linked. They want to know more about that. Some of those attackers are still in the hospital and they have not been able to talk to them yet. Two people are dead and bodies in the apartment in saintdenis . Im not sure if there are body parts in saintdenis. Definitely two people dead and they collected body parts. Forensic teams were working well into the night. One thing that hampered them, and we saw, they were still finding unexploded ordinance. They were still blowing things up. It was interesting to see. You are on the main street in saintdenis and people gathered on the streets. It still sent people running. The police said this is us blowing things up. No warning ahead of time . They blow a whistle and three seconds later, an explosion. Not everybody hears it. You get a whistle. This was an hourlong pitch battle where 5,000 rounds fired. The force of the resistance so powerful that a floor in the building collapsed. They had to blow up the door when they went in. That gave people inside some time to prepare. That was probably one of the factors. They were prepared for the Police Coming in. How else do you explain the woman putting the suicide vest on and blow herself up. And the timeline. The police had one apartment under surveillance and they moved in and the suicide bomber blew herself up. This was something that wasnt known to them and they went to the second apartment and the massive fight broke out. Fred pleitgen, thanks so much. He continues to follow the latest developments from saintdenis and on the developments on the paris attacks. Another development from isis. They made claims they produced a homemade bomb that took down the russian plane last month. Cnns rene marsh talking to an official over if that is legitimate. Reporter this is what claims to be what brought down the russian jetliner. This appears to be an explosive material concealed in a soda can along with wires and a detator with an on off switch. Cnn cannot verify the authenticity of the photo. The article says isis quote discovered a way to compromise security at the Sharm El Sheikh airport where metrojet departed and a bomb was smuggled on to the airplane. We will search for them everywhere. Reporter the news comes one day after russias president Vladimir Putin said nearly two pounds of explosive material blew the passenger plane out of the sky. There is doubt as to whether or not what was used to bring down the aircraft. Reporter this retired atf agent says the on off switch on the detonate or means somebody had to be in the cabin of the plane to flip the switch. How could someone get on the plane with a device. With this device, it has a high metal signature. From the soda can to the battery and wires. This would be difficult to circumvent normal security. Reporter u. S. Officials have run the names on the passenger manifest list and found no red flags of anyone on board. Isis claimed responsibility for the attack that killed 224 people, but if this is the bomb, it would be the first piece of evidence the group has put forward. The soda can has arabic writing that puts it in the region. The blasting cap and detonator is a cap we have seen in the region. Reporter more bomb experts question why the explosive material wasnt shown in the picture and why isis did not show video proof of them making the bomb. As you travel for the holiday, you should expect longer wait times at airports at tsa spends longer time inspecting passengers. And more swabbing of material and you could be asked to remove shoes. Cnn, rene marsh, washington. Lets get more from cnns Matthew Chance joining us now from moscow. What are officials and people saying in russia about this claim, matthew . Reporter in terms of the russian government there, they viewed the images posted from the online magazine from isis of the tin can and components. They have not commented if it is the device. The kremlin spokesperson said they will find the people responsible for this. The emphasis over the last hours the military campaign in syria. That is what officials are talking about. They have been talking about attacking isis, infrastructure in syria and bombing tankers and trucks carrying oil to iraq. One of the main sources of revenue for the group. Russia says war planes attacked and destroyed 500 of the tankers in past several days. They are attacking other aspects of infrastructure. The campaign in syria, russians are bringing new weapon systems. Longrange bombers to fly within the air space of russia, but launch cruise missiles in syria. The russians are upping their military attacks inside that country. Matthew chance in moscow. Thank you. Matthew is talking about the intensifying efforts in syria. They are hitting black market fuel. And the Defense Ministry released this video. They are eager to publicize these pictures. Showing to appear destroying 500 oil tankers. At least 33 isis members have been killed in the last 72 hours in air strikes by russia, france, United States. In the series of air strikes in the country. Dozens of isis leaders and families says this group watching is said to flee raqqah and going to iraq. The second largest city in iraq has been under isis control for 18 months. As nick paton walsh, in syria right now, states raqqah is now controlled by the psychopaths, but there are civilians living there as well in danger. We have ian lee in cairo with another angle of the story. Reporter good morning. To add on what you were talking about, hala, raqqah is being slaughtered silently. Civilians are fearful. They have isis on one side and air strikes on another. We are hearing from a group at least seven civilians have been killed in the air strikes. It looks like isis is on the defensive. Very afraid. They have controlled the flow of the internet. They have shutdown internet cafes. They have restricted licenses of people to operate the internet. They are afraid that people on the ground are sharing intelligence withi either the western coalition and hitting targets. Headquarters and training facilities. Although the organization has said that it hasnt hit isis too hard. They said they have been hit, but we have not seen a large number of casualties. Right now, roughly three dozen isis have been killed. You see john pointed out the family members of the leaders are fleeing to mosul. They are trying to lower their profile not moving in large convoys and not putting luggage on top of cars. It seems isis is very afraid of what is happening and what is to come. Interesting to see ian lee in cairo. You get the coalition would not bomb mosul. That has been a goal of theirs for a long time. Very difficult. Isis is dug in there. It is a big city with a lot of civilians. The Interesting Development though is if these isis operatives and families are fleeing, what kind of strategic difference will it make for the group in its operations in syria and ability to recruit and ability to establish a command and control structure inside raqqah. Meanwhile, something debated and discussed in the United States this morning. A development in honduras where Authorities Say they apprehended four or five syrian nationals who were carrying fake passports. The men arrived in the honduran capital where police are holding them. They say the passports were stolen in greece. At this point, there is no direct link to terrorism. No certainty where they were headed. There was suspicion they were trying to get to the United States. Investigators say the syrians flew after traveling through five countries. Police have not confirmed it. They say the men, as john mentioned, may have been trying to reach the United States with those travel documents. And coming up, the paris suburb of saintdenis has been at the center of the last fridays terrorist attacks. After the break, we will hear how area residents are coming to terms with all that has happened over the past week. Can a business have a mind . A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the paris terrorist attacks as we wait for who was in the apartment in saintdenis as we learn more about the raids. Some speak to cnn about what they saw as the dramatic events unfold unfolded. Some people who were there told Anderson Cooper about the experience. Actually, we were not realizing it was an assault. I was thinking it was a terrorist attack. You thought it was an attack by terrorists . I thought they were going in house to kill people. I was really shaking and i took time to understand it was an assault from police men. You actually saw the police . We called them. We called the police and she didnt know what was happening on the phone. I took the phone so she could hear. She took information and she came back to us and saying stay inside. Dont move. Close the window and everything. Well, saintdenis is home to the stade de france, the stadium where three suicide bombers struck last friday. A paris suburban very diverse. It also has a history of strength. [ gunshots ] this was the sound residents of saintdenis found themselves waking up on wednesday. Gunfire and explosions ringing out before dawn as police carried out raids searching for suspects behind the terrorist attacks. Translator i was woken up by a noise. Gunshots. It woke me up. I jumped out of bed. I opened window. I stuck my head outside. I wanted to watch. The police told me close the window, sir. Close it now. But for the neighborhood, this has become an increasingly familiar scene. Stade de france was the first target of fridays attacks that left 129 victims dead. Just under six miles from paris, saintdenis is the main town of the multiethnic saintdenis apartment. The saintdenis, the burial place for french kings, this is now an area with a high proportion of immigrants. 38 in 2012 were immigrants according to statistics. The overall unemployment is higher than 13 and has a relatively high crime rate. It was in 2005 that riots broke out near saintdenis with violence spreading quickly to the rest of the department. The unrest lasted four weeks as french youth were protesting against living and Economic Conditions and discrimination. A decade later, violence strikes again in a different and more horrific form. And the wounds for this suburb have renewed. Well, as the people of france continue dealing with the attacks from friday, the french government is viewing revenge against isis. They are talking about going after the people who planned the attacks. We are joined by melissa bell, the editor of the newspaper here in france. They said they were here just in time to stop the attacks that were just hours away. Do you feel like they are a step ahead of what isis might be doing here . This is what the French Public is worried about. Clearly the failures over the last few days have been spectacular. Yes, they moved in on this particular target. We dont know if the man they were looking for, abaaoud, is among them. We should find out within the next few hours. They got there and prevented an attack on the Business District just outside of paris. When you consider what actually went on here last friday and the people involved, some of whom were french citizens under surveillance who had gone to syria and managed to come back. The failures are spectacular. You are talking about a country over the course of last month has already changed legislation to keep a better eye on people. Surveillance in particular substantially tightened so this thing couldnt happen. Still these people got through the nets and managed to get to syria and come back and slipping under the radar. There are all worries in france now about what our Security Services and surveillance and intelligence is capable of and where it has failed. It is interesting. We dont know if Abdelhamid Abaaoud was in the apartment. Testing body parts right now. If it was him, that would be extraordinary. This man who they believed to have been the ringleader in previous attacks. The train attack headed to paris in verviers. They had their eye on this guy and if he can come to and from syria, that doesnt speak well of what has been going on. You are right. You remember he spoke out a few months ago in a publication that in 2014, he slipped back in europe to bring together an attack. If he was back in paris at the time of the attacks, it suggests that with a remarkable courage go to and from france and europe knowing they can slip through the radar with International Arrest warrants out for them and officially watched by european governments. If you take the case of one of the french citizens who died in the bataclan in the massacre on friday, paris was warned twice. Neither time did paris bother to find out anymore. And also part of the problem has to be manpower, personnel, in order to conduct surveillance, you are talking about tens of thousands of people. France and belgium and other European Countries dont have those number to keep track of all these people. This is one of the points being made. Even now, French Parliament gathering to look at the extension of the state of emergency and constitutional reform that Francois Hollande is talking about. In the last three years, there have been four straight changes to legislation. When it comes to tightening the laws, they have been good. Where they have failed is putting in the numbers. After the january attack, he said the reaction is planned. What is needed is huge amounts of intelligence services. That is what you will hear more about in the coming days. You have spoken about failures leading up to what happened on friday. Obviously some success in going into the apartment and apartments yesterday in saintdenis. Do you have a sense how many more people might be operating or how many people the authorities believe may be operating directly connected to the cells . We can only speculate. In the sense of uncertainty which is almost unpalpable. This was probably managed to foil an attack of people heavily armed and up to no good. The idea that raid happened under our noses, it added to the violence and sense of complete insecurity. With the questions of what we know about these people that are being watched. We are talking about the ones known and watched and under judicial control. What about the others . All of these questions add to the feeling anything can happen at anytime. It is troubling. They were in the shadow of stade de france, where the attacks happened on friday. A little more than a mile away. We thought eight. Now we know at least eight others. Two dead. Several under arrest. Thanks very much, melissa bell. We appreciate your take and analysis. Here in paris, people are pulling together after the attacks. The Political Climate is shifting to the right. One woman is leading that move. Ahead, i speak to marine le pen. We are monitoring the discussions now and the debates in the French Parliament as they discuss what to do. Whether to extend the extraordinary state of emergency even longer. Stay with us. Welcome back. We are awaiting word on the fate of the suspected ringleader of the suspected paris attacks. Authorities are running dna tests to find out if Abdelhamid Abaaoud was one of the two People Killed when French Police stormed the paris apartment in saintdenis yesterday morning. They say they got there just in time to prevent more attacks. The floo

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