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CNNW Erin July 4, 2024

Much in to our viewers. Thanks very much for watching. The news continues next on cnn outront next, breaking news, were learning new details about the conditions Alexey Navalnys team says must be agreed upon in order for the opposite Mission Leaders body to be released. Details that include a secret funeral, plus breaking news. We are on the surface, a us spacecraft touching down on the moon for the first time im in 50 years. But the condition of that spacecraft is still unknown as were standing by for the first images and pay up federal judges ruling the my pillow ceo must pay a Software Expert who debunked his election lies 5 million. The man was supposed to be getting that money is my i guest. Lets go out for good evening. Im jim sciutto in tonight for erin burnett and Outfront Tonight, breaking news. Alexey navalnys body now being held hostage tonight. Were learning the conditions that russia has set in order for authorities to release the Opposition Leaders body to his mother. According to navalnys team, some of the demands include the kremlin wants to volleys body to be Transported A Moscow On Special Plane followed by a secret funeral. This ultimatum comes after his mother was finally allowed to see her sons body nearly a week after he suddenly died at a Brutal Arctic Russian penal colony youd actually be trudeau. And yesterday evening, they secretly took me to the morgue where they shoved me oleksiy the investigators claim they know the cause of the death, which they have all the medical and legal documents ready, which i saw i signed the medical Death Certificate so its mercy up at peaceful according to navalnys team, that Death Certificate says he died from natural causes. A suspicious finding given video of the opposite Opposition Leader on the day before he died, he appears in good spirits. He was actually joking with a judge. Remember this is also a man who narrowly survived one poisoning attempt and spent years in some of russias most notorious jails. And despite what russia claims, navalnys family and friends have been quite vocal that putin is in fact to blame for navalnys Death Accusations echoed by President Biden today after he met with navalnys widow and daughter were going to be announcing the sanctions against who is responsible for his death tomorrow. Biden is also praising navalny for his incredible courage in taking on putin. And in a moment im going to speak to the wife of another prominent political opponent of putins Vladimir Karamurza, right now, he is also being held in a russian prison today, he spoke from behind bars we owe it to our fallen comrades to continue working with even greater vigor to achieve what they lived and died for to make russia a normal three european democratic country. Those are dangerous words in russia. Fred pleitgen is outfront live in berlin tonight. Fred, what more we learning about these restrictions that russia is placing on navalnys family just to have a funeral hi there jim, yet is actually quite remarkable in all this, of course, comes from the director of the Anticorruption Foundation even ashdon off there were really three main restrictions we could see you mentioned one of them and that is that special plane thats supposed to bring the body to moscow or one of the conditions on that is that Alexei Navalnys mother is not allowed to but nouns when the body is to arrive before it has arrived. So obviously theyre trying to keep all that under wraps allegedly so that people wont show up at the airport. Another thing that we also discerned is that at the whole time on the ground until the funeral. A member of the Investigative Committee and employee of russias Investigative Committee has to be with the family of Alexey Navalnys. So obviously, trying to keep the family under wraps as well. Also, allegedly, the body is supposed to be kept either in the moscow or vladimir region and the Anticorruption Foundation believes thats because the russian authorities fear that people could try and storm the more, again, the russian authorities themselves havent commented on this. And other two things that were hearing as well, is that a parent currently the cemetery of choice of Alexey Navalnys mother has been denied to her, are apparently some arrangement has been made there and they have not yet agreed on a Farewell Hall either. Obviously, the Anticorruption Foundation is saying that Alexey Navalnys mother has been forced to agree to all this under threats, and we did hear some well that from her earlier today when she said that she really wanted all the people who are obviously devastated and who feel that the death of Alexey Navalny is a personal loss for them to be able to say goodbye to alexei navalny, to be able to see his body that has been denied to her she also said that the authorities threatened her and said time is not an on her side saying, quote, the corpse is beginning to rot good lord. Just a mother trying to lay her son to rest. Fred pleitgen in berlin. Thanks so much outfront now, steve hall, hes former cia chief of russia operations and steve, as i listened to those restrictions, there, it strikes me that not only was Vladimir Putin fearful of navalny in life as an opposition figure, but that he fears him even in death. And the support that he might average russia things might show to him yeah absolutely, jim, i mean, thats really the only explanation as to as to why it would be that they would take all these extraordinary measures. I mean, set a setting aside the horrific human side of this. I mean, can you imagine being a Family Member and being told, hey, you better make of her man and this quick because your sons decomposing its horrific. But aside from that, it really does show the great fear and concern that the kremlin has about this sort of spawning a larger Opposition Movement around navalny. And this is why there, this is why they are also in an incredibly in humane fashion, mocking his widow of ascribing all sorts of horrific things to her as well because they fear this level of sort of motivation and mobilization of Russian Society behind the valmy. Its, its a great fear and its really interesting to see how scared putin izzat this. The timing his death was notable given it took place during the Munich Security Conference when you had so many people from around the world there gathered to show their support for ukraine, discuss that. It seemed like it might be a signal potentially given these restrictions, will we ever truly know with any certainty or confidence how he died in this prison . I mean, theres two levels of that question. I mean, its entirely possible given how, how putin controls russia and how all information coming out of russia is automatically suspect. Its entirely possible. Well never know the actual mechanism of his death that said, i think thats less important than the overriding fact theyre just putins responsibility that he is dead. So how it actually happened might be less speculation there. But the important fact is putin and his in his mechanism of putinism has secret services and all the secret police and intelligence services. Theyre the ones who are responsible for navalnys death at the end of the day. And we should note that in 2020 they use the most powerful nerve agent in the world in a first attempt to kill him. Were learning more details tonight about what exactly the sanctions that the Biden Administration plans to put on russia, not just in response to navalnys death, but ill so marking the twoyear anniversary of the full scale invasion of ukraine were talking about hundreds of sanctions, some of which will directly target putin i wonder though, will they have an impact because theyve been a whole host of sanctions over the last several years. And russia is still in ukraine. Russias still eliminating its opponents inside and outside the country. Yeah, i really think they do actually have an impact, jim, and theyre not theyre not entirely emotionally satisfying for many of us because we used to, when, you know, whether its a Bomb Exploding or a Missile Strike or Something Like that. I mean, thats an image and an Immediate Response by the United States are their allies to some threat in sanctions work differently. Theyre harder to find their harder to measure, but i can tell you theres one good measure and that is what does the kremlin thing about them . And the kremlin has been pretty consistent about saying theyre illegal they shouldnt be done. So i think theyre very concerned about those sanctions over the over the long run steve hall. Thanks so much. Sure outfront. Now, you have guinea a karamurza, the wife of jailed putin critic Vladimir Karamurza joins us and good to have you on. Thanks for taking the time. Hello, dan. Thank you very much for inviting me. I want to begin by asking you about the video we saw today from Alexey Navalnys mother. She said officials told her that if she does not agree to a secret funeral for her son, quote they will do something with my sons body when you heard that, i wonder what your reaction was i was absolutely enraged i mean, first, they tried to kill him with prison. He survives they throw him in prison they torture him for three years. They kill him and now that refused to give his body back to his mother. So she can say our goodbyes and she can bury him probably. I mean, this is so despicable twisted and cruel but it also shows how much theyre afraid of him. The rationals always is, are afraid of alec, say even dead they do not want to allow his supporters yes, millions of people, his supporters and his family to say their goodbyes. They want to do everything in secret that is despicable twisted and i dont know. I just i was watching that video and thinking of how how dare they lucre, in the eyes the mother who just lost our son and not just law him. They know when he was murdered. She knows he was murdered izzat the dead. They look her in the eyes and tell her theres state theres despicable things and making freds that is just it seems deliberately humility, humiliating. I want to play more if i can, what navalnys mothers said after she tried to get her sons body, have a listen and you guys, according to the law, they should have given me a lexis body right away, but they havent done it yet instead, they blackmailed me and set conditions for where, when and how alexey should be buried. It is illegal but shes being very public about this. Do you have any concern for her safety at this point . Anyone who challenges the regime and the regimes decisions in any way is in danger absolutely but i also, from watching that video, i realized that she will not be stopped. She shes going through hell she has just lost her son. And yet she is composed and strong and forceful and i would not i mean, if i were them i i would do everything she says and do it fast. Well, listen, i know youve been forced to go through your own personal hell with your husbands treatment and your husband sent a message today . On video from prison in arms crusher. I know you rarely get to hear his voice these days. So i want to play a portion of his speaking him speaking in russian will translate it at the bottom of a screen from, for our viewers, have a listen. I want to get your thoughts she is you know, watching you react there and i can only imagine myself in the same position. What does it like . How, how do you manage to hear him see him behind bars . Well, you know, when someone sent me this video today i was happy because that is the only way i get to hear my husbands voice nowadays. When he gets those red chances do speak during one of his court hearings. And its amazes me how hes people is Political Prisoners in todays russia, not just my husband, but him as well. They tried to live our spirits. Theyre the ones behind bars. Theyre the ones suffering in absolutely inhumane conditions. Theyre trying to lift our spirits. They tell us to not give up. And what vladimir says here in this video is of course, quintessential rotamer. Only he could talk about honoring our fallen colleagues and friends by been stronger and by fighting even more, even fiercer. And by not giving up because this is what the regime would want us to see. And this is why also vladimir refused to leave the country despite all those attacks on his life because he said at this, this, what they would want me to do to flee to get scared and to flee. And i will not give them the i dispassion. I remember him saying this many times. And so hearing it from him today meant a lot to me it struck me as i saw him there with that message of hope and defiance at the end, it was reminiscent of navalnys own statements from prison. Sometimes infused with humor as well how does he manage that strength . Do you think and that hope in the midst of what hes facing that that has always been a big secret to me as i dont know how such people do this. I think that he truly, deeply believes in what he fights for. What lesson i wish you the best i wish him safety and i wish you well, i hope you get some good news, some point soon and we certainly appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us tonight. Thank you very much in true courage their outfront. Next, breaking news, a us spacecraft has just touched down on the surface of the moon. Its the first time this has happened in some 50 years we are standing by now for the first pictures from that spacecraft. Plus theres 5 million prize for anybody they can prove the election data that that i have from the 2020 election is false well, im just being to the man who took mic lyndell up on that challenge. And one, at a Special Reports and i dont how china is taking a page out of putins playbook. 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