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CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront January 19, 2013

Outfront net. Lance armstrong reveals more details to Oprah Winfrey and the people he wronged are willing to pounce. How a series of lawsuits could wipe out his fortune. One american hostage confirmed dead in algeria. Cnn communicates with another hostage who managed to escape. Then ras power is growing even after newtown. Lets go outfront. Good evening. Im erin burr knit. Outfront tonight, breaking news on Lance Armstrong. Coming clean part two. The 41yearold former cyclist continued his confession with more revelations about his cheating and lying for more than a decade. Ed lavandera has been following the story. Hes in austin tonight. Ed . Reporter erin, oprah promised leading into this interview that it was at times emotional and on this second night is when we finally saw some of that emotion. Lance armstrong becoming the most emotional we saw him in this twonight interview when he had to explain to his kids that he had been lying all along for more than a decade. When this all really started, i saw my son defending me and saying thats not true. What youre saying about my dad is not true. And it almost goes to this question of why now. Yeah. Thats when i knew i had to tell him. And hed never asked me. Hed never said, dad, is this true . He trusted me. I said dont defend me anymore. Dont. Reporter as we moved on throughout the interview, this is the part of the interview that i think will have most of the people who have been following the Lance Armstrong saga for so long that will really be parsing and taking a deeper look into, and this is the question of his comeback to the Tour De France in 2009 and 2010. Lance armstrong says he only did so with the blessing of his first wife, kristin armstrong, the mother of his three oldest children. Listen to what he had to say about that. The thing about her and my doping and this comeback was she was the one person that i asked if i could do that. If you could come back . If i could come back. I figured if im not going to do this it was a big decision, i needed her blessing. She said to me, you can do it under one condition, that you never cross that line again. The line of drugs. Yes. And i said youve got a deal. And i never would have betrayed that with her. It was a serious ask, it was a serious commitment. She gave me her blessing. Reporter and so this is the part of the interview that i think will have a lot of people asking more and more questions about Lance Armstrong. Mostly because if you look at that United States Antidoping Agency report, it says that there were 38 blood samples taken from Lance Armstrong between 2009 and 2011 when he was making that comeback in the Tour De France, and it showed blood levels with values with the likelihood of occurring naturally in less than 1 in a million. So a great deal of questions will be raised as Lance Armstrong continues to assert that he rode those last two years cleanly. Theres a great deal of speculation about that. Erin . Thanks, ed. Now i want to bring in our penl. David epstein is a Senior Writer for sports illustrated. Dana jacobson is with cbs sports and paul callan is our legal contributor. You were all critical last night. You didnt feel satisfied. Let me ask you, did you feel that did he win you another tonight . No. And i said earlier theres probably no way he could have won me over. Maybe i saw a little more human side when his kids were mentioned. He was oprah said do you owe people an apology and he listed the people he owes an apology to, and he didnt do it last night when he had a chance. He didnt do it tonight when he had a chance. He could have done that publicly the way he humiliated them publicly. He didnt win me over. He did have a moment where he cried talking about his kids tonight, that there was emotion. But when he answered all of the other questions, david, did you feel better . Well, i think people would have wanted to see the crying when he was talking about somebody else who he damaged. I dont think its a surprise that he would be sad about his own loss or the harm in his own life, but he didnt have that sort of same kind of emotion when he was talking about other people, and he still side steps or denies certain facts which is a big problem. Paul, to that point last night you said did this help or hurt him. Legally a huge question with all the lawsuits that could be coming, could wipe out his entire fortune. Did it help or hurt . I think it hurts. There was a glimmer. Sincerity in tonights interview, but, you know, i have to say in totaling up these lawsuits that could be brought against him, hes worth 120 million but these lawsuits could be 50 million, 60 million, 70 million easily and hes going to face those as a result of this interview. I want to play a few of the moments from tonight. Obviously he teared up and cried when talking about his children. But when he was asked about how he felt, how he felt disgraced, here is what he said. Do you feel disgraced . Of course. But i also feel humbled. I feel ashamed. Yeah, this is ugly stuff. Ugly stuff. Maybe its that theres no emotion when he says it. You know, at those moments. But its even he used the word ashamed. And ashamed of what . You didnt think you cheated because you didnt think that you thought the playing 2350e8gd was level because everybody else was doing it so what are you ashamed of . That you got caught . And she mentioned that. Are youup set you got caught . Yes. But he uses words and you didnt see any of it. If he didnt cheat, whats he ashamed of . David, i want to play another thing when he talked about something many people are curious about. The ling between steroids and his cancer. Do you think that banned substances contributed to you getting cancer . I dont think so. Im not a doctor. I have never had a doctor tell me that or suggest that to me personally. But i dont believe so. He doesnt believe so. You have done a lot of reporting on this. I dont think theres any solid link between steroids and causing testicular cancer but every oncologist i talked to had concerns about what things like epo and human growth or moan which are growth factors do a tumor someone you donter doesnt know they have, cause it to spread quickly, which happened in this case. And we know in an article i reported with selena rogers, we were told the doctor who is now banned from cycling became concerned that he might have caused or exacerbated lances cancer and became more conservative in his doping program. Interesting given what he said. Paul, i want to play another thing lance said to you and get your opinion on what happens to him from here from a legal perspective. Oprah asked him why are you talking now . All of you are talking about how theres no emotion. Here is how he answered that. Would i like to run the chicago marathon when im 50 . I would love to do that and i cant. So right now you cant run a marathon. I cant run the austin 10k. I would love can you not run or you can just not run anything that pays you money. Anything that is sanctioned. If theres 40,000 runners but its sanctioned by the official governing body, i cannot run it. You cannot run it. I cant lie to you, id love the opportunity to be able to compete. That isnt the reason im doing this. Paul, do you think that thats the truth . This isnt the reason hes doing this . It may be, but hes going to learn a terrible lesson and the lesson is its not the crime its the coverup that frequently does people in. Frankly, had he simply engaged in using drugs and doping techniques to win racieraces, ik people may have forgiven him for that but it was the aggressiveness of the coverup, suing people, suing newspapers, destroying peoples lives. Thats the coverup that i dont think the public or the sports sanctioning organizations will forgive him for. I guess the question will be after a time you were at the top. People have to really stomp on are fou a long time before theyre ready to bring you up again. Theres one other thing i wanted to play. This is something i felt like i got a little glimpse into him and im not going to say good or bad. I just want to play it and give each of you a chance to react. Here he is talking about being invincible. Who is that guy . That is a guy who felt invincible, was told he was invincible, truly believed he was invincible. Thats who that guy was. Thats who that guy was, and then he says that guy is still in there. And thats the problem. That guy is always going to be in here or its not the problem. That is who he is. Thats never going away so maybe we never should have expected that he would really apologize and really come clean. He does probably believe that hes above all of this. He talked about that with the punishment. He wouldnt say that it was unfair that hes had this lifetime ban, but he said Everything Else to insinuate that it was unfair. Hes invincible. He shouldnt get caught like this. It does seem thats part of his core. That seemed like an honest moment though. It did. I thought it was whether you like him or not, it was who i am. It was interesting for him to say i was told i was invincible. I guess one lesson is maybe stop telling athletes theyre invincible. And people internalize this. You 20e8d someone this youre great all the time they start to think it or advice versa. Its a problem in sports right now. You start with young kids doing that. You look at other sports, even just football. You tell a High School Kid hes invincible and hes the best. You wonder why by the time they make it to the pros they ever the idea they are invincible and above the law. Thats what happens. A bottom line to you, paul calan, you talk about losing so much of his money. Will he have anything left of his 125 million fortune . I think a lot of it will be burned up in these lawsuits. I doubt hes going to get indicted by federal authorities for criminal conduct because the statute of limitations has been run but if i was his lawyer id be a little worried about that. Well have to see if there are second acts in American Life as f. Scott fitzgerald said. For Lance Armstrong i really doubt it. Thanks to all of you. We appreciate it. Still to come, one american hostage dead in alger ya tonight, but some americans have escaped, and one of them talks to cnn. Plus, the president has made gun control a priority. But fewer than half of americans of actually approve of what hes doing. The blooirn, is then ra winning the gun debate. And the arctic tick director of the most famous ballet in the world has been attacked with acid. [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneurs dream. Into a scooter that talks to the cloud . Or turn 30million artifacts. 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Erin, the latest information were getting is the name of that american who did die. Its coming in a statement from Victoria Nuland who is the spokesperson for the state department. She said that his name was fredrick butaccio and he died in that hostage situation. The state department is expressing its deepest condolences to the family and also the friends of fredrick. But theyre not giving any details and that is one thing that has plagued its information coming out of algeria ever since this began. We do know from a u. S. Official that six americans, however, were freed or escaped, and others still are unaccounted for. Earlier friday Victoria Nuland also said that some americans are being held hostage. So the bottom line here is that of it continues to be an operation with very, very few details coming out from the algerians. Secretary clinton was asked about that friday, and on the one hand the u. S. And other countries are very unhappy about the lack of information, but on the other hand they realize its a very complex operation and that it appears to be continuing. Erin . Jill dougherty, thank you very much. Of course, we do know there are some Americans Still unaccounted for tonight. We are also hearing the first words though from another american hostage who is safe and we want to get straight to our David Mattingly in texas who has been following the other american hostages. David, what can you tell us about the american you have spoken to who is alive . Reporter erin, first of all, we can tell you his name. Thats significant because its the first time that weve been able to confirm a name of one of the americans who were at the plant at the time. His name is mark cobb. Hes reportedly from texas. We werent able to confirm that directly with him because we had a very brief exchange with him. Cnn contacting him via text, and he sent two Text Messages to us. The first one confirming, he said i am safe, yes. The next one he explained how he managed to escape. He said he escaped the first night of the siege along with some algerian Staff Members that were at the plant with him. At this point he wasnt willing to comment further suggesting how careful everyone is with the safety of so many people still at stake there at the facility. Obviously, he in a very senior position. Year not sure exactly where he is right now although hes safe. Cnn obviously has been working to identify some of the other americans involved. This is the second american that we have formally been able to identify. What more do you know about the others . Reporter the other american that weve talked to you about last night, he is from texas. Wrer not going to tell you any more about him or tell you his name right now. His family it wills us he is among those being held hostage. They found out on wednesday morning they tell us. Since then they have been very reluctant to talk. I spoke to them very briefly, to a Family Member just a short while ago, and i was told we dont know any more at this point than you do. And so, erin, again, that shows just how long these hours have been, how Little Information has been coming through, and how tense everyone remains with that lack of information. It certainly does, but, of course, i know youre down there in texas working that and talking to those families and thank you very much. Just a recap here. Cnn confirms one american hostage has been killed. We have learned the identities of two other american hostages, and we have others who are unaccounted for tonight. As soon as we get more information about any of these people, we are going to bring it to you. Now, again, today details have been sparse and contradictory out of the hostage situation. Here is what we know right now overall. The algerian state media report that 12 hostages have been killed since algeria launched its ground operation yesterday. There may be americans among them. 650 hostages have been freed by the algerian military again according to the algerian press service. Of the 132 Foreign Service workers taken hostage, 100 have been confirmed as released. Cnn has learned the United States are evacuated as many as 20 people caught up in the hostage taking. Secretary of state Hillary Clinton has urged the algerian government to use the utmost care in the operation because as she has made it very clear in this case, it was an act of terror. Lets not forget this is an act of terror. The perpetrators are the terrorists. They are the ones who have assaulted this facility, have taken hostage algerians and others from around the world who were going about their daily business. Outfront tonight mike rogers of michigan, the chairman of the house new jersey committee, a commissioned officer in the u. S. Army, and also served as an fbi special agent. Good to talk to you, chairman, again. Let me begin by asking what you can tell us right now. As you know, the details are murky in some areas. Were starting to get more clarity and, unfortunately, have confirmed one american has been killed in this operation. Others still unaccounted for. What more can you tell us . Well, there is the rescue effort or at least trying to reoccupy the gas facility happened in two stages. The algerians went in yesterday late to try to at least push back and flush out the terrorists, and that resulted we know in deaths. Were just not very clear. The reason thats not clear, erin, its a long way from algie algiers. They arent really allowing an International Presence there. They want to handle this on their own. We know today they launched a second series of efforts on the facility that did result in freeing of more hostages and it now has the hostage takers kind of hunkered down. Were just not sure about the numbers. The numbers have been all over the map. I know the Algerian News Agency has released numbers. I have a feeling well find those arent accurate either. Theyre saying 12 total hostages have been killed. As you said, we have no idea whether the numbers are accurate and they have been all over the map. Its a fair point. We know at least one american is among the dead, whatever the dead count may be. Im curious as to your perception as to whether the u. S. Is taking too much of a backseat . Yes, its a sovereign country, they said they were going to take the lead. They went without telling the United States, shocking the United States according to many reports which described how many u. S. Officials felt when the algerians went in. Could the u. S. Say, forget it, were going in. Could have done it, not likely. One of the things yo

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