The investigation into what happened to airasia flight 8501. Two american ships have just begun the search again. It is now daybreak in indonesia for the missing jet. It went down in the java sea ten days ago. Reuters is reporting sonar has picked up what may be the tail of the airliner. Thats hugely significant because those black boxes are located close to the tail. Were also learning new details about the final moments on board that plane. And what could have caused it to crash with 162 on board. Indonesian officials are revealing the jet did not have permission to fly that day. Thats right. It wasnt even supposed to be in the air. And the Weather Agency in indonesia is now telling the wall street journal that ice may have brought down the air bus 8320. And theyre figuring out if that may have been the case. Gary duckman begins our coverage live. The Search Mission has just begun. It is now morning. What are you hearing about the reports, this crucial report about the tail being found . Reporter Indonesian Military officials are saying that sonar may have detected the tail portion of the plane. As you mentioned, it would be critically important. Thats where the socalled black boxes are. They say it might have detected. Theyve made mistakes over the last several days. These are very smart people educated guesses. Theyre only educated guesses because they havent picked up the tail. It is just whats being seen through the sonar through the murky water. Several large pieces have been detected. One 60 feet long. The length of a six story building. In a crazy coincidence, it is from a shipwreck so it shows you they cant be absolutely sure. As we speak, the sun came but that two hours ago. There are more than 40 helicopters and planes above the java sea as well as ships on the java sea. There are 80 divers ready to go in the water if the conditions are good enough. Right now the conditions appeared that they are good enough. Yesterday they went in the water. They got in the water. The conditions were good enough in the water. As it is many early mornings. It gets more humid in the afternoon and thats when the search has to be called off. They got in and many of the families in this tent behind me. This is the waiting central were veriment on miss particular that perhaps some news would come about about the bodies of their loved ones. It is believed most of the people who died in the crash are still strapped in their seats. When the divers went down there, they were quite surprised to find out they could see absolutely nothing. All the Stormy Weather has led to the sediment going through the java sea and they had zero visibility. Thats their quote. Not mine them could see nothing. That doesnt bode very well. You need several days of good weather without wind and high waves to get the water clear again. So were not necessarily optimistic. The weather is expected to be half diseasent today and better tomorrow. This is monsoon season and no one is optimistic to have several days together of good weather and thats problematic. Right now only 37 bodies have been recovered. There are still 125 people to find. All right. Thank you very much. So hard to comprehend that theyre still strapped in their seats. And it is such Shallow Water that they know so much about. That you can see a 60foot piece of debris that actually came from a ship not this plane. Tonight the investigation is underway to figure out exactly why this plane was actually in the air in the first place. That is because officials are saying that they are, airasia did not have permission to fly that route last sunday morning. How could this plane have you know on a regular scheduled flight you got 162 people on board. Get in the air without permission . Well that is a question that investigators are exactly hoping to answer. Why this plane managed to take off and why no one stopped it. Indonesian Officials Say flight 8501 should never have been allowed to take off that night. That airline was licensed to fly between surabaya and singapore on four days a week but not on sundays. Still, the plane took off that sunday december 28th flying into heavily trafficked skies. Once airborne the crew was dealing with terrible weather conditions heavy rains, high winds, conditions that would most likely force a change of flight plan for a u. S. Flight carrier. They were allowed to pierce a thunderstorm. In the United States the regulations say youre supposed to go around them. Youre not supposed to plan your flight through a severe thunderstorm. That would be what they were going through was equivalent of something called a level six thunderstorm. It is the worst. Reporter did the pilot feel pressure to keep to the schedule in what has become one of the busiest air markets in the world . Is it common for pilots to feel they must go even in bad weather . Yes. Thats why theyre reported in the United States. We call it by the way get thereitis. Reporter 36 minutes into the flight, the pilot asked permission to turn and climb above the storm. While dispatchers were checking the position of surrounding planes flight 8501 disappeared from radar. Indonesian officials announced the investigation into flying it without permission is separate from the investigation saying they suspect airasia is not alone in violating the rule. For now, all airasia flights between surabaya and singapore have been suspended. This is an extensive probe, looking at all sectors have aviation here and indonesia. And investigation expected to take one to two weeks. Kyung lah, thank you so much. Now our aviation analyst, mile obrien, david quest, and the upcoming book why the plane dissxaerd why it is only a matter of time before it disappeared. To some it may seem like a technicality. This is a big deal. Yes, it is a technical thing that they didnt have permission on a sunday when they had permission on four other days. And as early as the middle of last year, they did have permission to fly every single day. It was withdrawn because of capacity constraints. But it is not just a technical issue. There are people who are paid at the airline, the airport, to know these things. The route planner who says im going to take that plane and fly it from there. And by the way, this is what the Bilateral Agreement allows me to do. They should be checking these things. This shows an overall level of laxness. It is not something you check. It is what hams in the first place. Look they had lost permission to fly every day relatively recently. So somebody knew that they shouldnt have been flying every day. And lets face it. Theres enough blame to go around in indonesia. The indonesian regulators clearly should have been more on top of this to know they didnt have permission when they gave ground. There is another issue. The pilot apparently evaluated the weather conditions on his own. I dont know how, how technical that process was. This is no jump date. No heres the weather. You look at it yourself. Is that okay . Thats not the way it is done in the United States or urm. The way it works, every time you push back on a flight there is a qualified licensed dispatcher along with the captain who says heres the route, here the fuel, the baggage, the number of people. All this is good to go. Lets go. In this case leaving it all to the pilot is not the way it is done here. It takes away a level of safety. What theyre talking about is a face to face meeting with the weather officer which does seem to be a little bit anachronistic. There are other ways to get that. I dont think this crew took off without checking the weather. I dont think thats true. When you couple this with the idea theyre flying without permission to fly. You have to ask yourself about the coupler of the airline, the culture of the industry. To what extent is that a secondary causal component. And it does make you remember in the case of Malaysian Airlines flight 370, a lot of the questioning and confusion from indonesian radar about where that plane was and when it was there. There is a theory about what happened here. We were just talking about it. When you think about it it seems like it could happen to anyone. The Weather Agency tells the wall street journal, that an engine problem related to icing is the reason. Commercial jets face that every day of the year kofl icing bring down a plane in mid air . Thats one of the reasons this airplane shouldnt have been flying into the thunderstorm in the first place. Thats why in the United States and even in asia we check the weather, we know what were heading into and you avoid it. This is why this is so different. This aircraft got into this situation. There is so many questions. And icing certainly can be a problem in those conditions. How you mitigate that is you dont get in those conditions in the first place. But richard, i feel like weve all flown through thunderstorms. The pilot says were in a thunderstorm. It will be a little bumpy. There are thunderstorms and then there are thunderstorms. Youre not talking about your average summer thunderstorm here. Youre talking about a very serious double cell that come together where it was absolutely dangerous. The issue of this weather, it is bizarre. Because it is a leaked report from the Weather Center to the transportation minister that suggests icy weather was the cause. Weve no idea thats what it was. I mean, the idea that the engines iced up or there was super ice in the engines. We just dont know. And i think what happens is as with malaysia 370, to some extent youre going to see this starting to get unwieldy. Because were looking for answers. Everyone is looking for answers. We expect to get the black boxes in time. We know where the wreckage is. They are saying that they think they may have the tail. The reuters report. That would have data recorders on it. If the tale is even still exact, what would that tell but how the plane went down . What thatted in those last moments . How controlled could it have been . It could have been going down in a flat spin. The tail section separated. As a matter of fact the vertical stabilizer the fin which goes in the top of the tail section, was floating in the ocean and was discovered a couple days after the crash. It was quite some time however, before they found the flight date recorder the cockpit voice recorder which of course was beneath the ocean. So it is unclear. When they say they got the tail do they have the stabilizer. I dont think we can come to a conclusion that it broke up mid air. It could have broken up on impact with the water. A final word david. About the tail . Yeah. How it went down. Well in that particular aircraft as opposed to the 777, both the flight date recorder theyre not colocated in the tail. One of them is. Ahead of that ahead of the rear bulk head is the cockpit voice recorder. So theyre not colocated. So thats why in air france 447 is so difficult to locate them. Both those boxes are mounltd. All right. Thanks. So to all of you. As richard said, this mystery and the answers, were just Getting Started on trying to figure out the right questions to ask. Next, a sole survivor. A 7yearold walked away from a plane crash in which her family died. The miraculous story of how she survived is next. Plus, what does it take to survive a may not crash . Well talk to a survivor about his harrowing tale. And the trial of the suspected boston bomber begins today. Will he be put to death . My tempurpedic made me fall in love with mornings again. I love how it conforms to my body. 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It was a miracle for this little girl. Thats the right word isnt it . It is. That can be a word overused sometimes. In this case it absolutely applies, erin. When you think of what this young lady had to go through. Not just seeing the death of family members but then making it to this back door in a very remote part of kentucky. And it is not so much how did she do it. And. It is how could she do it . Behind this precious face lies the incredible strength and courage of a survivor. Friday night 7yearold sailor gutzler freed herself from the wreckage of the plane, walking nearly a mile to lar la wilkins home. She was bloody. Her nose was bloody. I cant say for sure but i think maybe her lip might have been cut. But her little legs is what really got your attention. They were striped up all over. Reporter from his back stems, wilkins shows me where she came. Shoeless wearing only shorts and short sleeves with temperatures in the 30s. When you consider what she just walked through. And she had just seen her parents and her sister and her cousin all three were dead. And decided to backtrack the way she came. Pretty quickly, i find the going is tough. Downed tree limbs everywhere. The brush is incredibly dense. Branchs snag as you move while needle like thorns tear at your clothes. Even in broad daylight ditches and pools of water. The brush swallows you quickly leaving you disorient and blocking the view of any hand marks. As i struggle i constantly remind myself i was ready for this. How could an injured, traumatize asked frightened 7yearold make her way in the near pitch dark and chilling mist . In the end i give up and gps guides me back to where i started. Larry wilkins said one wrong turn could have left her lost for weeks. All woods. And theres quite few cows around here too. He believes the light in his yard could have attracted the little survivor or Something Else telling me heaven had a hand as well. Cnn, kentucky. I want to bring in Kentucky State Police lieutenant brent white who spoke to sailor right after the plane crash and wade white who was at the scene with First Responders when they found the plane. I appreciate both of your being with us. It is such a tragedy and yet a miracle for this little child. Lieutenant white, when you saw sailor we just heard there that her legs were cut from coming through forest. And she was injure from the crash as well. How did she look to you . What was her state of mind . Well she was amazingly calm given the feat that she had just been through. Both the crash and navigating the terrain, not to mention what she had witnessed. So other than the scratches on her, she did have an obvious injury to her wrist and lower arm. But other than some minor amounts of blood, a various parts of her body, she was amazingly if good shape. What did she tell you happened . What was her understanding at that moment of what had just happened to her . She indicated her and her family were returning on a flight from florida, heading to mt. Vernon illinois, and something went wrong during that travel. And that the plane had crash handed in a wooded area and the plane was upside down. She feared her parents were dead but she home they were just sleeping. So heart breaking. Judge white, you went to the crash scene. You have video that shows how sailor got from the plane to that house where she was able to get help. Thick thorny briar patches, downed trees. And you did this during day shelf did this at night, no light, this terrain, 7yearold never been there before a broken arch 39 degrees. She was wearing shorts and reportedly only had one sock on. And no shoes. I mean it is incredible. How hard was it for you in full gear to get from that plane to that house . Weve been doing it today in the daylight. With the downed trees, the briar patches, creeks low places limbs on the ground that she obviously could have tripped over several times. It is beyond me how she got out. All odds were against her. All odds were again her. And we got a google image for all of our viewers of the crash site. So this is the crash site in relation to Larry Wilkins home. She was able to get help. This is not a populated area. As you can see. Not a single house. If you went a different direction, you can see she might have not been able to get help at all. Mr. Wilkins said she might not have been found at all. Do you think thats possible . Yeah. She could have chosen a hundred different locations to travel in. She chose the one that brought her out of there. So obviously, god was with her, leading her out of there. And brought her to safety. Lieutenant, when you spoke to her, i understand she didnt complain about her injuries at all . No. She did not. She just wanted to us get help for her family. And that is exactly what we intended to do. I gave her a teddy bear out of the back of the trunk of my cruiser and told her to hold on to it while we searched for her family. Hopefully we could reunite them together. Unfortunately that was not the case. And i know that obviously she must have been praying and hoping for some kind of miracle. Such an incredible story, what this little girl went through. It makes everyone believe in miracles. Thank you so much. Next an amazing story of survival. A may not engine failed in mid air. For the next six minutes that plane the fell to the ground. A man survived and he tells his story. And how the palace and a wealthy banker are fighting back. A lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. Now. I use this. The nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. I want this time to be my last time. Thats why i choose nicoderm cq. So nice, so nice sweet, sweet st. Thomas nice so nice, so nice st. 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