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CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront January 14, 2020

Just moments ago House Speaker nancy pelosi wrapping up a meeting with senior democrats. A crucial meeting ahead of a vote to name the impeachment managers which majority whip hoyer says could be wednesday. Who will serve as impeachment managers is crucial. These are the prosecutors. They are the ones youll see there on television. Their job to make the argument to the nation, to senators that trump needs to be removed from office for abusing the power of his office. It comes as the number of republican who is say they are open to new witnesses is growing. Lamar alexander says he is opening joining Susan Collins and mitt romney who just said this moments ago. Id like there to be witnesses and be able to hear from someone like john bolton. There it is. Romney wants to hear from john bolton. Perhaps the most important witness when it comes to what President Trump did with ukraine and remember democrats just need four republicans to join them to call new witnesses like john bolton in order for that to happen. Tonights meeting outer loop i Democratic Leaders are coming before new votes. Were hear. Its now full speed ahead. We expect the senate trial to begin in just a matter of days because the house is going to send over those articles of impeachment. According to democrat lead rser emerging theres an expectation that a vote could occur as soon as wednesday to name the impeachment managers and would lead to sending the articles from the house over to the senate. The impeachment managers would reed those articles aloud on the senate floor and the senators themselves would be sworn in. Those arguments would take place by next week. We could learn the names of those impeachment managers as soon as tomorrow morning. Thats when nancy pelosi will meet behind closed doors with her caucus to discuss the next step of the trial. Arguments they plan to make in the days ahead. I just asked nancy pelosi about the criticism shes been receiving from republicans about her decision to delay transmitting those articles over amid concerns that democrats had that trial was not going to be fair. Mitch mcconnell said he is a strange gam bet and achieved nothing. She said flatly hes wrong. She continued on forward. She did not reveal much about her precise thinking of the time frame and moving these articles over. We do expect it to happen imminently. Then well get into the trail phase. Thats when the Big Questions will emerge about whether they will bring forward witnesses. Whether that will be enough votes to compel witnesses to come forward. All it would require is four republicans breaking ranks to join with democrats. While some republicans are voicing interest in hearing from witnesses, there are not 51 votes at the moment even as the white house is seeking to end this quickly, end the proceedings altogether and they have support from the republican leadership. Will they have enough support from the full republican conference. They have to have the full 51 to do that. Thank you very much. I want to go out front to democratic senator tammy baldwin. I know youre anticipate iing t. He said he wants to hear from john bolton. You need four republicans to vote your way to get new witnesses to testify. Have any other republicans told you that they support that idea . I think that republicans are hearing from their con stitch we constituents. We all have a sense of what a trial involves. It involves evidence and witnesses. It would be unusual for there to be an impeachment trial without witnesses and documents for us to review. The American People want a full, fair and honest trial. As they are talking to their elected senators, i think they are feeling the pressure that they shouldnt make a mockery out of this but they should take it seriously. Now, we heard last week leader mcconnell indicate that he had the vote wrapped up to prevent witnesses and documents. It is unclear to me whether there might be a little bit of a presentation of the case and then another opportunity to vote on documents and witnesses. Can i ask you a question on that. It seems that the process could be the trial begins and you hear three days from one side of arguments. Three days from the other. You senators get to submit your questions and after all of that we vote on witnesses. We could be a solid eight days in before we get resolution on this issue, sdplecorrect . It could be. I think what is frustrating the Speaker Pelosi has said time and time again that her managers, her selection of managers might be based on whether they will be cross examining witnesses or whether they will simply be arguing the case. If we i still believe that its important to show the American People that nobody is above the law. That president s arent above the law. When we have these two very important articles of impeachment, abuse of power when President Trump basically used the power of his office to withhold congressionally approved dollars to the ukraine for personal and political benefit, the American Public deserves a full, fair and honest trial with witnesses and documents. If you win this on allowing witnesses, we heard mitt romney. He said john bolton n. Susan collins suggested witnesses from both sides. In other words, with bolton may come hunter biden. Would that be acceptable for you in world in which hunter biden appeared if john bolton did . Lets talk about this. If four witnesses that were identified by democrats in the senate all have first hand knowledge of whats exactly at the heart of this case about the telephone conversation between President Trump and president zelensky and the related activities of this president to with hold congressionally approved aid from ukraine. We want to hear from witnesses who have direct knowledge and its very clear that hunter biden was not involved in monitoring this phone call or has nothing to do. I would welcome the president to submit a case to the senate. I fear that the fact that were not hearing witnesses that the president wants to call that are relevant to the articles of impeachment, it gives me great concern they are more about cover up than about getting to the truth. The American People want the truth. The president , you mentioned him. President trump will be in your home state tomorrow. Hes going to be holding campaign rally. T there are many who believe wisconsin could be the most important state in 2020. A recent poll asked voters in your state whether the senate should vote to convict the president and remove him from office. It was close but 48 said no and only 44 said yes. Does that have any baeearing on how youll vote . Absolutely not. I will take an oath to do impartial justice. Thats what i intend to do. A poll asking before a trial has occurred what the out come should be. Its in my miepds mnd is mislea. We want a full, fair and honest hearing and we want the American People to get to the truth just like we want to get to the truth. Something wrong happened here regardless of what they think the vote should be at the end. As the president comes to wisconsin and tomorrow night the very same time coming the democrats will be debating each other in the primary debate, people of wisconsin care about health care. They care about whether preexisting conditions are going to be covered. They care about whether a court will strike down the Affordable Care act. President trump is on, has sabotaged health care. People of wisconsin want to know they have champion in next president. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Next, Rudy Giuliani is now pressing President Trump to make him part of the white house Impeachment Defense Team in the senate. Hes at the center of the entire case. Is the senate trial about to become a complete circus . Plus state Department Officials said they were never told of imminent threats to american embassies. How then does President Trump explain this . I can reveal that i believe it would have been four embassies. Four embassies in an iminnocent threat that no one involved knew about. The fight for 2020 is getting personal between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. What happened to this . Im always glad to be anywhere with bernie. Elizabeth warren has been a friend of mine for 25 years. I can. 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This as the white house pushes Mitch Mcconnell to include the option of dismissing the charges against the president as soon as the Opening Statements are over. What are you hearing behind the scenes about Rudy Giuliani, who is at the center of this, wanting to go and defend trump and be the face of this in the senate . Reporter i think if it was up to Rudy Giuliani he would be there on the senate floor arguing the president s case and while the president does like Rudy Giuliani, that is why he still his personal attorney on the outside. I think people inside the white house who have been working on this impeachment strategy say its very unlikely that Rudy Giuliani will have any kind of a public facing role when it comes to the president s defense. The white House Counsel has been working for weeks now on what the defense is going to look like. We know the president has pushed for jay to have a public facing role in all of this. He wants to hear from him on the senate floor because he thinks hes really good at making arguments on television. People today have said the idea that Rudy Giuliani will actually join this team in a formal way is incredibly unlikely not just because hes Rudy Giuliani and youve seen from his Numerous Television Appearances where he reveals things about the president that people find unflattering but because hes at the secenter of this scandal wh it comes to ukraine sincegoing to ukraine and traveled there in recent weeks and said he was going to come back with this information that hes yet to divulge to reporters. The question about who could be on the defense team does have a few question marks left to it. Its still unclear if hes going to. Our latest sources have been saying its up to dirshowitz. Tree g trey gowdy has been meeting with the president. He will join in an innormformal manner. A lot of question about which house members could a peer. Rudy giuliani is not likely to be one of those people out there. Now, former special counsel at the Defense Department and editor of just security. Rudy giuliani, either its the gal of genius because it makes it look like you have nothing to hide or its insanity or something in between. He truly believes that it would be great if he were there. Yeah, i have no doubt he truly believes that. I dont think theres any geniuses involved in this gall. Rudy is such a spectacle now. Hes lucky hes not a prime witness for the house managers given his central role in this. I think they want to stay away from it because it will turn it into a circus. Thats what hell do. If he were to come out and tell everything in an honest and forthright manner, they would want him. They dont because he wont. John bolton and Nick Mulvaney have more information. Its a terrible idea for the president but this is donald trump. The normal standards of what people think are right and wrong get turned upside down every day. Here we are with these impeachment managers. This is something that every one in America Needs to care deeply about. It matters a lot. Rudy giuliani, making his lobbying case. We understand nancy could make this choice as soon as tomorrow morning. Shes not going have to make the choice not knowing whether they will be making case or also having to cross examine. Which way does she go . Its hard because it is dynamic. We dont know yet whether there be any witnesses. We dont know if they could include hunter biden which could turn this into a circus. You have to pick people that are flexible. Both who can prosecute the case and prepare themselves for what might be a dynamic environment and it turns in different directions. I want to syou about justin amash. He became independent because he decided to support articles of impeachment. The party wanted no parts of him. Here is what he told me about wanting to be an impeachment manager. Its something i told my democratic colleague who is have asked me that id be happy the talk to the speaker about. I havent had that discussion. Be the speaker wants to have that discussion. Id be honored to have that conversation. Then the next day when i had one of the house leadership representative he sort of pretty clearly dismissed that idea. Should he have . I dont think so. There are some democrats that have rallied behind this idea of having justin amash. He has a law degree from michigan. Hes practiced law. Hes been a very eloquent person and the idea this is about nonpartisan and putting the Country First and its a moment that calls for people like that. I think it would be a brilliant stroke to include him as one of the managers. Why not. As all of this comes, you do have Mitch Mcconnell sort of trying to get this. Could he just dismiss the whole trial even as you have three republican senators indicating not only do they not want it dismissed but they would want witnesses. Thats different than voting to have witnesses but theyre saying they want witnesses. Mitt romney saying like john bolton. Yeah. What about this 51 vote to end the trial . There was a motion to dismiss in 1999 that senator robert burr put forward. Theres nothing outrageous about after the first phase of trial looking to make a motion. This happens in trials all the time. Not in a trial that doesnt have any witnesses and not the significance of the beginning of the more public talk from republicans is a reflection of the polls. The president when they first about a month ago there was about 70 of the public who said they wanted witnesses. Republicans hit it hard. The president hit it hard, no witnesses. Its still a hoax. Its still at 70 including 40 of republicans. I think each of these vulnerable senators and a couple of them for institutional reasons are looking and saying im not sure its in my interest to be part of something that is a sham. If hunter biden appears then what. Its kind of bizarre because he isnt relevant to the direct case thats being put up about what the president s wrong doing was or wasnt. And his intent. Thats right. And his intent behind it. On the other hand i think its fair to give the other side who they want because its not really relevant. It might have an upside of bringing the American Public in because it will be a spectacle and what might have more public attention to what is faa public trial. Hunter biden has talked about mistakes hes made and has gone through many things. Thank you. Trump doubling down clamg his administration is on the same page when it comes to his claim that iran was imminently targeting four american embassies. First of all, i think its been totally consistent. 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