American schools. Dr. Fauci yesterday was a little cautious on reopening the economy too soon. Are you sure hes concerns. He wants to play all sides of the equation. When you say dr. Fauci is playing both sides i was surprised by his answer, actually, because you know, its just to me its not an acceptable answer especially when it comes to schools. So trump was saying faucis answer to schools specifically was unacceptable. So lets just, to be clear, play for you what fauci said. I think we better be careful if we are not cavalier in thinking that children are completely immune to the deleterious effects. The idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. Okay. So obviously concerned about the impact of the virus children, but then he was specifically asked to clarify what he meant by a bridge too far and fauch i was very clear and he said i did not mean to imply at all any relationship between the availability of vaccine and treatment and our ability to go back to school. In the same testimony fauci warned more broadly of suffering and debt more of it if the United States reopens too soon. None of this is the message the president wants to hear and tonight as the death toll now tops 83,000 in the United States, sources tell cnn President Trump and some of his top aides have begun questioning whether the real numbers are actually lower. In fact, at several White House Task force meetings, senior officials have raised questions about how the cdc is compiling and tracking its data. Yet again, the president is at odds with dr. Fauci who believes the u. S. Is actually undercounting the number of deaths. I think you are correct that the number is likely higher. I dont know exactly what percent higher, but almost certainly its higher. Caitlyn collins is live outside the white house. Youve got the president clearly and directly slamming dr. Fauci tonight. Reporter and this is notable, erin, because we know based on our reporting that the president has privately bristled at dr. Fauci when hes contra dikt di contradicted in briefing rooms and this is the furlthest hes gone to criticize dr. Fauchy and you heard the reporter saying that dr. Fauci was playing all sides of the equation because hes offering different advice in private than what hes saying in public . He sounded irritated by what dr. Fauci had testified yesterday which as you watched and it was a very sobering analysis of where the country is yet and dr. Fauchy and these other Top Health Experts were basically throwing caution on this idea of prematurely opening and what that could look like and the effects that that can have and whats notable is that answer about schools there. You saw dr. Fauci talk about the effects that this is having on children. He said, of course, so far its seen than what it is on adults and he was saying basically to rand paul, one of the president s allies which we should note is recovering from coronavirus that you couldnt just say pointblank that no kids are having effects from coronavirus so they should go back to school and thats the distinction they were making there and it was one of the most intense exchanges of the entire hearing with dr. Fauci. Its notable that this is the most direct the president has gotten with his criticism of fauci except for that tweet where he retweeted firefauci and something that the president later acknowledge he did see when he retweeted it. So caitlyn, theres this issue when hes taking on fauci and also the president questioning the death toll number, right and directly there against dr. Fauci. Yeah. We are being told by multiple sources that the president and some of his top aides and not just the president have raised questions about how the death toll is being counted and basically, are they counting too many people and potentially should that be a reliable indicator that theyre looking at as theyre moving forward with the plans of reopening the country and we saw dr. Fauci testify yesterday that he believes the death toll is almost certainly higher than whats being reported and talking about people who were dying at home so its not being reported then because theyre not going into the hospital. So thats another break that were seeing. The question is whether the president is publicly going to raise those concerns that he has about the death toll. All right. Caitlyn, thank you very much. And meanwhile, the number of cases around the country now mostly declining as americans face new and huge economic challenges. Nick watt is out front. The biggest spike in grocery prices since 1974 says the bureau of labor, one in four americans will lose their jobs says goldman sachs, but as States Reopen trying to staunch that economic chaos, one models projected death toll for the u. S. More than doubled in just two weeks. People have heard the message. Theyve gotten out and theyre becoming more mobile and theyre having more contact and were seeing the effects already. In most states, new case counts are steady or falling for now, but rising in arkansas, south dakota and delaware. Were seeing fatigue of staying inside and also some mixed messages. One state is doing one thing. Another state is doing something else. Federal government has provided just general guidelines and so i think theres also some confusion. What is safe . Today new jersey announced gatherings of people in cars are now allowed. If vehicles are closer than six feet apart then all windows, sun roofs or convertible tops must remain closed. West virginia Just Announced theyll open tanning salons in about a week. I never dream individual my life that weve gotten all these calls in regard to the tanning businesses or tanning beds. Our medical experts now feel like were good to go. Reporter while washington, d. C. , reupped its stay at home order. Through monday june 8th, and i should note that based on the data, i can revise this order at any time. A new cnn poll shows a 13 rise in those who say they visited friends or family in the past week. We took comfort in the fact that our kids were largely safe, and i wonder if some of that is our comfort with relaxing social distancing measures, but now 15 states are reporting rare cases of severe potentially covidrelated reactions in children. Really high fevers, rashes and sometimes drops in Blood Pressure causing shock. The cdc planning today to warn physicians to look out for such symptoms. We have lost three children in new york because of this. 5yearold boy, 7yearold boy and an 18yearold girl. And what does he think about schools opening in the fall . Where are we going to be in september . I dont know. I dont know where were going to be in august, you know . Im trying to figure out june. Reporter here in Los Angeles County the beaches opened this morning, but masks are mandatory. This afternoon we were told that all retail can open, but curbside only. The message here is clear. Yes, we are making progress. Yes, we are gradually going to relax, but boy are we going to take it slow. Erin . Thank you very much, nick. Out front now dr. Sanjay gupta and the direct or of the Harvard GlobalHealth Institute who testified today before the congressional hearing on the coronavirus crisis. Okay, sanjay, so President Trump said faucis comments on reopening schools were not acceptable, and he specifically said fauci was playing all sides. I mean, what do you think was happening here . Is dr. Fauci was he giving good advice . Were his comments not acceptable in any way . How are we supposed to read this . Hes been giving the same advice all along, erin. It depend how people want to interpret it at any given time. The idea that theres been specific criteria that have been out there that were released from the white house and those have been completely abandoned seemingly. No ones even talking about those anymore, and instead people are saying why dont we have a vaccine by the fall . Why cant schools open despite the fact that these specific criteria by which these things might happen have not the places have not met these criteria yet and it boggles the mind a little bit, erin. Dr. Fauci always chooses his words carefully and i think with regard to a vaccine by the time schools open, i think that would be a bridge too far. To be clear, hes never suggested that a vaccine might be available by this fall. Erin, hes constantly striking this balance between hope and honesty. He doesnt want to jar people and hes been consistent to how he said and i dont know how its considered playing both sides of the issue. The president questioning faucis statements and questioning whether deaths are being overstated and dr. Fauci clearly saying it is correct that the number is likely higher. It is almost certainly higher. So how concerning is this . Thats a pretty crucial thing to now the president go on the other side of. So dr. Fauci has a long track record of speaking truth and speaking the best scientific evidence, and sometimes people love it because they want to he says what they want to hear and sometimes they dont love it because hes saying things they dont want to hear, but what makes him so incredibly valuable to the American People is that they know they can trust what hes saying and hes giving it to them straight, and thats what he did yesterday, and i know that some people didnt love his comments, but hes representing the best science and data and evidence that we have right now and hes right on all of those counts. Sanjay, when fauci has said directly it is almost certainly higher and President Trump is saying that hes now questioning as we understand, that deaths are being overcounted. Is there any possibility that trumps theory is right . I i dont think so. I mean, i think, you know, the thing about the nature of these sorts of things is that these are confirmed infections and confirmed deaths. We know that there was inadequate testing early on ask there were people dying of respiratory illnesses that were thought to be flu or Something Like that early on that are more likely coronavirus and we know there was a yale study that suggested maybe there were 15,000 more people who had died of coronavirus than were officially counted, and you know, this is sort of the nature of an early illness. We tend to undercount not over count. Im not sure that it matters that much, erin. Im not sure what the real context here is. A lot of people have died and maybe 15,000, 20,000 more and these are tragic figures and the fact that people are saying maybe its a few thousand less or more. Im not sure what the value is, and the thing that strikes me and ashish may agree, if your patient has a disease or infection in this case you recommend a course of therapy. The patient doesnt take the course of therapy and then complains that theyre not getting better, what is the doctor left to do . Take the therapy. This can help you. This can help get you through your illness and thats the position the country is in right now, it seems. So trump again claimed tonight that we have more tests and better tests than the rest of the world. You are the testing expert and you testified at the congressional hearing today about testing and so when he says as he often does, we have more tests and better tests than the rest of the world, is he right . Well, i dont know what better tests are. We have pretty good tests, but so do lots of other people. I dont know that our tests are any better. On the issue of whether we have more tests, the fundamental question is do we have the amount of tests we need for the size of the outbreak we have and the answer is no. I dont know a single Public Health person who disagrees with me, and if there is some scientific fact that ive missed or all of the other experts have missed id love to hear it from the president or any of his supporters, but the bottom line is that this is wanted a competition with do we have more tests than the italians or the germans, this is really an issue of do we have the number of tests we need to make americans feel safe so when they go back to the office and when they go back to a coffee shop and when they send their kids to school they can feel comfortable that people are not infected and spreading the disease, and the short and long answer is no. We dont have that number of tests and thats what all of us are calling for. Sanjay, states are opening and people are going out, and we know theres a lag here in terms of how long it takes a week or two before infections show up so we dont know whats going to happen in a week or two. I will say across the country, when you look across the country there are bright spots. You have nine cases where cases are going up and you have 19 where things are going down and when you take those numbers and theres plenty in there that say cautiously optimistic and then you see the states opening. Do you see this as good news that will last . I think some of this is good news and certainly seeing numbers go down will be good news. I think the criteria, and this is just the coming back to the numbers and the facts id love to see those numbers go down for 14 days in a row. Theres a reason for that. Once you feel like youve gone down that number of days, then inevitably, erin, as you know, there are people who become infected and we have testing and its going to be a small enough number where you can find those people who are newly infected and you can isolate them and trace their contacts. The reason that youre doing that is because you know there will be new infections and you want to prevent that from being exponential growth and the numbers are coming down in some places and it has to be sustained and it has to be managed so the small numbers of infections dont start to spike . Sanjay, thanks. Dr. Jha and dr. Gupta, thank you very much. Stunning images of how fast coronavirus can spread indoors as people prepare to go back to work. People are starting to ask for personal information in restaurants and grocery stores. Is this a price that americans are willing to pay . Plus a renowned Infectious Disease agent also studied coronavirus. When does he think a vaccine will actually happen . And stanford and harvard telling many students it will be online again for the fall. So why is one Major University in boston still planning to open up its campus to students from the u. S. And abroad . 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