Also has europe been flooded with masses of hatefilled muslims . If you listen to the airwaves this week prayer rugs in just about every hotel. The answer was yes. Ill introduce you to man who disagrees and says he has the numbers to prove it. And, the economy. In 2015 who will be the winners and losers . What do we need to watch out for . Ill tell you. Then from paris to new yorksyork finest should they focus on just terror murder and major crimes . Well have a debate on the famous broken windows theory of policing with Malcolm Gladwell. But first, heres my take. The paris terrorist attacks were barbaric but also startling leaving many to ask what could be done to prevent this kind of terrorism in the future. Well one man has a clear answer. That attack you saw in paris, youll see an attack in the United States senator john mccain told the new york times. Elaborating on how to stop this from happening, he explained to the times and to cnn that it would require a more aggressive American Military strategy across the greater middle east with a nofly zone and Ground Troops in syria and more troops in iraq and afghanistan. This theory was sometimes described during the iraq war as we fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. It was wrong then and its wrong now. Other politicians and commentators noted that many jihadis have many connections to the newed about dal badlands of the middle east, like yemen and syria where terrorist groups that staked out safe havens. This is the conventional wisdom that if only washington had gotten involved there earlier we would be safer. But what do the jihadis themselves say . Well cnn reports that in a 2007 Court Deposition one of the paris troofterrorists made known the source of his radicalization. I was ready to go and die in battle. I got this idea when i saw the injustices shown by television on what was going on over there in iraq. I am speaking about the torture that the americans have inflicted on the iraqis. So in the fuel case of the french terrorist, it was American Intervention in the middle east that caused him to become a jihadi. But apparently more intervention would somehow have had the opposite effect. Two scholars have analyzed all cases of suicide bombings from 1918 to 2009 and concluded that the vast majority of the terrorists behind these attacks were acting in response to American Intervention and involvement in the middle east rather than out of a religious or yidideological motivation. The only spectacular western plots after 9 11 the madrid and london bombings were specifically inspired by the invasion of iraq. Lets review the record. Americas nonintervention in bosnia in the early 1990s is said to have produced islamic radicalism as did the interventions in iraq and afghanistan in the early 2000s, as did the partnership with pakistans military as did the drone strikes against pakistan and yemen, as did the surge in afghanistan, as did the withdrawal of troops from that country. It seems that no matter what the United States has done over the last two decades, islamic radicalism has been on the rise. Often directed against america and its western allies and it has found a few alienated young men who then act on these ugly ideas. To argue that the only way to stop terrorism at home is for the United States to intervene militarily and stabilize the many unstable parts of the middle east is to commit washington to a fools errand for decades. One scholar pointed out that before syria, washington had already launched interventions in 13 countries in the islamic world since 1980. Will one more really do the trick . For more go to cnn. Com fareed and read my Washington Post column this week. Lets get started. Youve laerdheard my take on what will not thwart the terror threat. Now lets hear a most Expert Opinion on what will. Leon panetta has been many things in many administrations. But the most pertinent today is his twoplus years as director of Central Intelligence from february 2009 to june 2011. He talked to me exclusively earlier this week. I was in tulsa, oklahoma and he was at the Panetta Institute near monterey bay. Secretary panetta, thanks for joining us. Nice to be with you, fareed. When you first heard about these attacks, what was your thought . You know i think that what weve seen happening over these last few weeks between what happened in ottawa whats happened in paris, and now whats happened in belgium, is that were entering a new and perhaps more dangerous chapter in the war on terrorism. Youve got terrorists coming at us from a lot of Different Directions from isis from boko haram, from al shabab from aqap from other elements of al qaeda. They are recruiting like crazy from these various wars in syria and iraq and yemen. And they seem to be involved in more planning and more weapons in terms of the types of attacks that theyre working on. So i think it is pretty clear from what were seeing that we are earn terntering the more dangerous and threatening period in this war on terrorism. From your point of view of policing looking at it from a city look new york or washington or london or paris perspective, what can you do . These are locals, they often have local passports. And they have seemed to have radicalized kind of themselves in some ways. Theyve gotten a bit of training. How do you deal with this kind ever threat . You have to be very aggressive in confronting this more dangerous threat in terms of terrorism. You have to do it with increasing our basic intelligence because obviously whether its human intelligence or Technical Intelligence getting the right intelligence gives you at least a chance to avoid these kinds of attacks. Secondly i think we have to continue to stress our Counterterrorism Operations both our intelligence operations our special forces operations to be able to use our capabilities to target their leadership and their command and control. And thirdly, youve got to build partnerships with the countries abroad that are confronting terrorism. Weve got to be able to share intelligence share operations and be able to Work Together to go after this broad array of threats because these individuals, as they come back i think were probably in a pretty good position with our watch lists and with our defenses that have been set up to be able to check them. But the problem is in europe there frankly is a greater capability to be able to move from country to country without being detected. So somehow working with other countries we have got to be able to share intelligence and improve our capability to track these foreign nationals that in one way or another are coming back to these countries and trying to conduct these attacks. What was your sense of the quality of french intelligence . I mean one often hears that not only are they pretty good but theyre pretty aggressive. Would that be your sense . Well theres no question that i think the failure to be able to have prevented the attack that took place in paris was an intelligence failure. And i know they had these individuals on watch lists. I know that in some ways they were tracking them. But because of priorities or because of resources, obviously they were not aware that these attacks were going to be conducted. I do believe and certainly my dealings with the french that they have good capabilities in terms of their intelligence. They have good capabilities in terms of their Law Enforcement to be able to go after these individuals. So i believe that there is a Good Opportunity here to learn from the mistakes that have been made and try to improve our intelligence gathering capability and intelligence sharing capability to make sure that we try to get ahead of these kinds of attacks. There are a lot of people who feel that the United States does not face quite the same danger partly because, as you say, weve got oceans and watch lists, but also because the Muslim Population in the United States is much more thoroughly assimilated than in europe. Would you agree with that . Well you know i think obviously that since 9 11 we have done a very good job of being able to improve our intelligence gathering capabilities our Law Enforcement capabilities our intelligence in terms of being able to track the particular threats that are out there. And clearly, our Muslim Population has the opportunity to become citizens in this country, to integrate more fully into our society. And that gives us an advantage. But having said that the reality is that when these foreign nationals are able to come back into our countries and there are thousands of these nationals that are overseas in syria, iraq in yemen, i think it still represents a real danger in terms of the United States. I dont think we can take anything for granted. I think we are dealing with a much more aggressive form of terrorism coming at us in a number of Different Directions as i said. And the United States ought to continue to remain very vigilant and very aggressive in going after this kind of terrorism. Would you expand the nofly list the watch lists . Would you put in place new procedures for even more intrusive intelligence intelligence gathering . You know one thing he learned as cia director is that you can always improve what youre doing in terms of being able to develop not only the lists, but develop the intelligence that is needed in order to make sure that were able to trap these individuals. We do have the watch lists. We have pretty good security with regards to those coming in to this country. Were i think we have a good capability there. The problem is in dealing with those in the various european areas where there is frankly, less aggressiveness at going after these individuals when they return. So the real challenge here is going to be for the United States to work very closely with our counterparts in europe to make sure that these watch lists are shared that we are working together to make sure that these individuals are being tracked when they try to come back into our to the various countries. And that we Work Together operationally to be able to go after them once that happens. So there is room for a great deal of improvement here in order to make sure that were at the top of our game in terms of trying to protect our country. But youre saying that the french ive heard that the germans are really i mean to put it bluntly too soft on these potential terrorists. I think that the European Countries, particularly in light of the attacks that weve seen understand that it is extremely important for them to Work Together to try to provide good intelligence good security good defenses leerhere to try to deal with these threats. We cannot do this alone. The United States cant do this alone. Weve got to be working with our partners both in europe and, frankly, the Intelligence Services in germany and france britain, in other countries. Theyre very capable and we have worked closely together. We share intelligence together. And im sure were continuing to do that. But we also have to work with the moderate arab countries as well countries like saudi arabia and the uae, jordan others that maintain good intelligence. Egypt. The ability for those countries to Work Together with the intelligence operations in the United States and in these other countries. If you can form that kind of strong coalition, you can really develop the kind of defense capability we need if were going to confront this myriad threat that were facing now. When we come back im going to ask leon panetta much more about the paris attacks and afterplath. Im ghoing to ask him whether president obama should have gone to that rally. Breather. 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Because we missed an opportunity to show solidarity with the leadership and the world that is confronting this terrorism threat that we all face. So it was a missed opportunity. We should have had if not the president , certainly the Vice President or secretary of state should have attended. As far as what went on in the white house, all i can say is when i was chief of staff, the National Security adviser and the chief of staff usually presented these kinds of issues directly to the president. And the president then made the ultimate decision as to what happened. Whether or not that happened here, i just dont know. President obama has himself said he spends a lot of time trying to get the policy right, but sometimes doesnt think enough about the optics. Do you think this was one of those cases . Well, you know, as we all know, the presidency is not just about policy and substance. Its also about the optics of leadership. All of those elements are part of what makes the president able to provide the kind of leadership that is necessary. This president certainly during the time when i was there was fully committed to supporting the war against terrorism. He supported what we were doing at the cia and certainly supported what we were doing at the defense department. So he clearly understands the nature of the threat. I think its really important that the president , working with other countries, working in solidarity with other countries, provide a common front that makes very clear to the terrorist threat that were dealing with that they are not going to succeed and that we will ultimately achieve the kind of victory we have to achieve with regards to this war on terrorism. It sounds like, secretary panetta, you are more worried based on what has happened over the last few weeks, particularly in paris, and you feel that this could happen in new york, this could happen in many, many places in the world. I dont think theres any question. I think i think what were seeing, as i said, is a much more aggressive chapter and a much more dangerous chapter in terms of the war on terrorism. And what has happened in paris, what happened in ottawa, what has happened in belgium, is something that we need to understand, that these terrorists are now engaged in a much more aggressive effort based on their recruiting, based on whats happening in syria and iraq and yemen. They are gained in a much more aggressive effort to conduct violence, not only in europe, but i think its a matter of time before they direct it at the United States as well. This is a real threat and weve got to be prepared to confront that. Leon panetta, pleasure to have you on, sir. Thank you very much, fareed. Next on gps, predictions. We will gaze into the future and tell you about the Economic Outlook for the world in 2015. Is there good news or bad news . When we come back. 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