Torturing them. Thats what he was all about. That was Andrew Urdiales thing. Sentenced to death in illinois for killing three women, his life was spared when the governor abolished the Death Penalty. As a result, the state of california extradited him to face justice for five murders he committed there. What makes him different from other people that youve tried even for horrible murders . He enjoyed it. He went out and hunted women. Just like a wrecking ball, the damage hes done. This is the most evil person i thinki ive ever met in my life. In an exclusive interview, the last one he will ever give, i try to get inside the mind of serial killer Andrew Urdiales. Lets talk about the truth. You did it, i want to know why you did it. All right, here i am. This is chris cuomo in new york testing out the ifv or the speakerphone. Can you hear me . Yeah,ki hear you. I just have some concerns about how this is going to be played and how its going to be portrayed. I know your show is called inside evil. The Sheriffs Department gave me an hour to interview urdiales when he was being held for his third trial. Which would determine whether he would live or die. Mr. Urdiales, im the one whos going to determine the questions. All right. All right, good, so if youre ready to begin, we will. What is it that you want people to know that you believe sheds new light on the explanation of how these women died . Thats pretty hard. I dont think i want to answer that question. Okay. And can you tell me why you dont want to answer it when you have answered it before to police . Voluntarily . Voluntarily . You said you wanted to call california. You know you did this, is that correct. Correct. Im not trying to be coy or play with you, but im trying to preserve some things for maybe appeal, because i had planned on coming back on appeal on some issues that i raised. Keep in mind, this man has already fully confessed to these murders. He was found guilty not in one court of law but in three, all since his arrest and capture in 1997. Now, these are hard photos, but it shows just how deliberate he was. Matt murphy is a prosecutor, where in may of 2018 urdiales was found guilty of murdering five women. 23yearold robin brandly at saddle back college in mission viejo. Maryann wells in san diego and in the palm springs area, julie magee and denise mainy, and the youngest, 18yearold tammy irwin. One of the things the detectives wanted to do is make sure they had the right guy. Even though hes confessing to the crime theyre asking him specific details that only the killer would know. And not just say oh, theyre white shoes. He knew down to the color, the type, everything. Do you think he wanted to remember them . Absolutely. Hes reliving the murders when hes describing them. In an effort to unveil urdiales m. O. They take me to the beginning, to the murder of robin brandly. Robin brandly, thats everybodys sister, everybodys girlfriend, everybodys friend. Shes just walking to her car, and he stabbed her so many times. It was so awful. Listen to this confession tape from chicago, describing robins murder. It would be his first, when he was a marine, stationed at Camp Pendleton. I had a big old hunting knife. He gets in an argument with some fellow marines in Camp Pendleton and decides tonights the night. He climbs up the hill, uses his Marine Corps Training to essentially sneak up on her. I said i wanted her purse. She said youve ngot my purse. And we just stood there for a while. He stabs her 41 times. And shes on her back, and she dies with her eyes only. The thing i did was start stabbing. Once, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 12 times, give or take. Shes staring at this monster whos stabbing her for absolutely no reason. Investigator helen moreno who flew from Orange County to interview the newlyrevealed serial killer asks him why, why did he do it . You say when you walk up to her and first grab her, what are you thinking . Nothing there. Nothing there . How about after you leave . Theres nothing there. Just a blank spot. Would you agree somebody stabbing somebody else 41 times speaks to a degree of violence and hostility . Thats correct. Thats a good assessment. So, if somebody stabs somebody else 41 times, they must have some kind of reason or some kind of emotion fueling them, right . Im not going to answer that. You think could you stab someone 41 times for no reason . I dont know. How did he get this way . When we come back. If you look down to the end of the row near the windmills, youll see where the location of denise mainy was. Thats where he raped and sodomized her. And thats where he ended up slitting her throat and killing her. Detective john booth of the Palm Springs Police department remembers exactly where the bodies of Andrew Urdiales victims were found. Including the youngest. Tammy irwin. You could see her body from the roadway. Dressed in shorts and kind of a summery outfit. She had these cloth tennis shoes on, and she was laying face down in the dirt. You could see tire tracks leading away from her, which is, we later figured out where the car tracks of Andrew Urdiales vehicle. Detective booth interrogated the serial killer in chicago after ushd urdiales confessed to three murders there and five more in california. Well, at first i was a little afraid, and i realized big, mean Police Officer shouldnt be afraid of a guy whom im twice as big as. But just the way he w wwa was callously talking about these women let you know he was an evil person. He talked about the night he shot maryann wells in the head at point blank range. What did you do after that happened in. Well, i just didnt really feel anything. It was quiet and peaceful. You think you have the normal range of emotions that you react to situations the way most people would . I should. Do you . I believe so. I did seven years in the marine corps as a radio operator. I was a desert storm veteran. He enlisted in the marines when he was 19, based first at Camp Pendleton and then 29 palms, deployed to okinawa and desert storm. Two years into a frustrating career, urdiales started killing. I was trained to kill. Boot camp. Forensic psychiatrist park deets evaluated him. In describing some of the homicides he even described himself as being at war, or its like combat, and im a trained killer. Desert is opportunity for this man. Why . Well, if youre torturing and raping somebody and nobodys going to hear a woman scream, you basically can have at it. The killings were meticulously planned. In the desert, he a storage locker, and in that, he kept murder weapon, things that he could tie these women up with. A storage unit, veep f conver stepping off the base and returning to duty as if nothing had happened. Thats how he managed to get away with murdering four women during his sevenyear military career. In 1991, he was honorably discharged. But even after the marines and home in illinois he kept going back to california to hunt women. He would vacation out there, just like people would go vacation to ski or to fish or to go surfing. That was his thing. Do you believe that emotionally, youre able to control yourself in situations . Yes. The reason im asking you is because the title of this series inside evil, that title bothers you. But it concerns me, yeah. It concerns me, too, because of the kinds of people i wiped up meeting while we are doing these documentaries. Its a search to get inside the mind of people who do things that we believe were not capable of doing, that human beings dont naturally kill multiple people on a whim. And go on about their normal lives. Thats what i was accused of. Well, thats what you were convicted of, many times and sentenced to death. I was accused and convicted of. Do you believe youre different than anybody else . No. But juries heard hours of testimony about what might be wrong with urdiales. His lawyers tried blaming his upbringing, saying he was raised in the abusive household, a mother who had drank during pregnancy, and that he had fetal alcohol syndrome, causing the brain to degenerate rapidly in adulthood. You dont buy it . His iq is one point high of superior, which is totally inconsistent with fetal alcohol. Fetal alcohol is very real in the word and Andrew Urdiales doesnt qualify. They say your brain is deteriorating and it may be fetal alcohol sisdromyndrome. I disagree with that. Ive had several mris done. I dont know what theyre getting at with this fetal alcohol. I sort of disagree with that from day one. They put it together with a picture of your childhood, that you had a mother who was very protective, that you experienced abuse. You knew the truth of how you grew up. You tell me. I grew up in the 70s. My family was blue color, working class. And i know how things came out and how they tried to portray them, and i would say that was not fair. How would you define your attitude during the period in your life when you were a child . Thats a really good question. Im kind of glad you asked that. I was very emotional, very naive, very, not so much sheltered, but i was just kind of like slow to pick up on things. But shortly after he was apprehended, urdiales admitted to having serious anger issues to detective moreno. He felt that he had been wronged a lot of times, that people wouldnt listen to him. Ive always had a rotten temper, an shitty temper sometimes. Dr. Deets points out why urdiales may have had trouble making friends. I thought all those oddities could be explained by the known tourettes syndrome. In his case, he had hyperactivity, fi hyperactivity fidgeting and squirming and facial ticks with grimacing and various kinds of facial movements. Peers who tonig peers who dont understand it can bully kids that way. You can see how being picked on is a frustrating life trajectory, in his case the dominant emotion to emerge from that was anger. Did you see yourself as angry when were you a young man . Thats a good question. Ill just say id probably be no more angry than the next person. I never had an opportunity to really learn how to be close to people. The picture that emerges is one of a loner. Angry at the world. You could think of these as alternate careers for a certain breed of losers. This could have gone any bad direction. He could have been a bomber. He could have been a mass murderer, he could have been an assassin. He wasnt just destined specifically to be a serial killer, but with his resources and skill, that was the one he could achieve. When we come back, was there one group of people who really infuriated urdiales . I just really cant even believe im standing here today talking about it, because i thought i was going to die. One night, when she was 19 years old, Jennifer Asbenson accepted a ride to her overnight nursing job from a stranger who turned out to be Andrew Urdiales. The following morning, he was waiting for her. And asked her to join him for breakfast. There was a night and day difference between the two rides. This time urdiales would kidnap her, violently attempt to sexual assault, tie her up and lock her in the trunk of his car. Forcing her into the fight of her life in the middle of the desert near palm springs. It was like i was in hell, and i was with the delvil, and theres no way to even explain the sheer terror. Urdiales certainly enjoyed inflicting chaos, harm and pain on others. Forensic psychiatrist park deets, assessed that usrdiales disappointments in life led to his anger issues. He is motivated by revenge against the world, especially women, women who rejected him, women who didnt provide for him, women who fired him. And he had no sympathy, no empathy, no compassion. All i saw was hate. An angry loner, on top of that, a sexual sadist. At the time various searches were executed on his property. Implements for bondage were found. He quite grudgingly admitted having fantasies of bondage, which he related to wanting to have power and control and his anger, technically at women, and i got enough to be sure that hes a sadist. Do you have a personal problem with women . Do women make you angry . No. Do you have a feelings of hostility towards women . Do you think that women sometimes deserve violence . No. He may deny it now, but listen to his confession from 1997. A lot of times i will get angry about something. Jennifers case, he told detectives the fake number she gave him during their first ride set him off. It was a bad number, and i was kind of upset about that. Thats when he took off into the desert and attempted to rape and kill her. But miraculously, she escaped, jumping out of the trunk of his car and running for her life. In this case, we had a survivor. So shes able to fill in a lot of the blanks for what these women went through, these women who didnt survive. Do you believe he hated women . Oh, he did hate women. And i believe i know why. Because the whole time i was with emhhim, he had erectile disfunction. He could never perform. Jennifer says his own inadequacy made him furious. I asked him about it, and of course met denial. But she would know, and i would trust her interpretation of that. When urdiales confessed, he didnt hold back on details. Please be advised, they are extremely explicit. I took my shirt off, unzipped my pants and tried to rape her. You said you tried. Was it not successful . No. What happened . Didnt get fully erected. What happened next . I kept trying to rape her. She kept trying to help me. I started squeezing her, choking her with my hands. By the time i sat down with him, he wouldnt even admit having an issue with women. Have women done things to make you angry . Angry to the point of violence . No. Never . No. Urdiales saying he has no malice toward women is a contradiction to things he told me. Urdiales stole eight womens lives and shattered so many others. Its just like a wrecking ball, the damage hes done. Steve was only 13 when his mother was found shot in an alley way in downtown san diego. She was urdiales third victim. She was 17 years older than me. Absolutely tried her hardest to make sure that i had a good life. From those whole first 13 years of my life, it was only her and i. When she was killed, steve had just moved in with his dad in an effort to get to know him, and maryann was going through a rough patch. My mom was not a career prostitute. At the time of her death, obviously, she was, but doesnt matter, because shes got every right to live, and he robbed her of that. Seven out of the eight women urdiales killed were reported to be sex workers. Prostitutes make the perfect victims, because part of their trade is going to isolated locations that nobody can see or hear whats going on, and that makes them a perfect victim. He told me he had been with 200 prostitutes. That means that 95 of the time he didnt kill them. The ones he did kill in each instance, he was able to describe something that made him angry. The source of the anger differs from case to case. And could well be inability to get an erection. One point i asked him, what did she do to make you so mad, and he couldnt remember. It just triggered something inside of him, and he just became extroemely violent. Guns, knives were all in play. The obvious hatred he had for women is remarkable. The coldblooded murder of maryann wells, steves mom, is a perfect example. He knew that she was a single mom. He knew that steve wells existed, and he killed her anyway, which also shows what a monday isster monster he is, which means he was going to leave that little boy in the world by himself and killed her despite that. It took the police over two months to find steve and tell him his mother was gone. Not being able to say goodbye to my mother or have a service or funeral or see a body, i think, had a negative effect on me, because i, i had recurring dreams that she was hiding from me all these years. He doesnt care about people. Hes deficient in empathy. Urdiales himself confessed that killing made him feel better. Just like if you stab them once in the back, i kept on going. The disappointment, anger, frustration. He described it as the tension builds up, and then by destroying something or killing a person, the tension is relieved. Steve, jennifer, and the other california victims families would get to face urdiales when he went on trial in their home state, when we come back. March 2018. In california, Andrew Urdiales stands trial for a third time. Andrew urdiales had this unique procedural thing where he went to death row in illinois and sentence was commuted. So Public Safety wise, as prosecutors, we have an obligation to ensure that person does not get out. We the jury find Andrew Urdiales guilty of the trim cri nurd t murder in the first degree. Guilty of murdering five women in california. Disgrace to the United States marine corps. And the jury absolutely convicted him. Five months later, the Death Penalty phase of sentencing. I remember knowing this day would come, i just didnt know it would take this long. Its been a long time. On october 5th, 2018, Andrew Urdiales faces his victims families as they address the court. On april 16th, 1989, the defendant not only killed my daughter, but he killed me inside. Charles irwin, the father of tammy, urdiales youngest victim. Would he have given me grandchildren . Would she have gone on to be somebody special . We dont know. He ruined my family. Tore my family apart. Thank you, your honor. Thank you. Then, Jennifer Asbenson unexpectedly took the stand. Hi, i didnt plan to say anything. But i still have a will and fight in me, and i dont want to give up because of what that man did to me. And its just surreal to be standing here, because i imagine i was going to be chopped up, laying in that desert. And be found and nobody would have known what happened to me, so it is just surreal, and i feel like im speaking for the other girls, too. Theyre my angels. And then the convicted killer asked to address the jury that had found him guilty and was about to determine whether he would live or die. The judge allowed it, under strict guidelines. We need to make sure that im clear, i will not allow mr. Urdiales to reargue the case. I do not want to hear about the police investigation. That is not appropriate for me to consider in sentencing, his view on things like that. Im actually kind of nervous. First to the jury, id like to apologize what happened on the sordid details of the case. And then a bombshell. Urdiales agrees with the jurys guilty verdict, based on the case that was presented in court. I can understand how they found t