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CNNW Inside Politics June 12, 2018

Significant pitch. They have great beaches. You see that whenever theyre explodingheir cannons into the ocean. I say, loot that beach. Wouldnt that make a great condo . I told him, you could have the best hotels in the world right there. Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have south korea, you have china and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right . Its great. A packed hour ahead, much of it about those high stakes negotiations. President trump on air force i right now on his way home from singapore. Thats where we start with pictures that never seemed possible and a deal thats long on promise but short on specifics. Hours ago president donald trump, look there, shaking the hand of the north korean dictator kim jongun. The handshake marked the start of high stakes diplomatic talks. Hours later the two emerged and the president pitched the world on a fresh start. A really fantastic meeting. A lot of progress. Really very positive. I think better than anybody could have expected. Top of the line. Were much further along than i would have thought. Now, both leaders hailed the singapore document as historic. This piece of paper contains little real commitment. By signing President Trump dit, to start the road down to denuclearization. Trump said he agreed to a lot more than whats int document. President trump gave up a lot more than he got. Just the pictures of equal footing, a propaganda bonanza for a brutal dictatorship. Then he caught an allyff guard by agreeing to halt military drills with south korea. Im doing something that ive wanted to do from the beginning. We stop playing those war games that cost us a fortune. Were spending a fortune every number of months were doing war games with south korea. And i said, whats this costing . Were flying planes in from guam and were bombing empty mountains for practice, and i said, i want to stop that, and i will stop that, i think its very provocative. Cnns Kaitlan Collins at the summit site in e. Kaitlan, has t said anything about when we will see tangible deliverance on the north korean promises . Reporter they havent, john. No timetable here at all. Right now the plan seems to be to just take their word for it and trust, according to the president , what kim jongun promised him to do. Theyre certainly promises that arent in writing in this agreement that the president ndk kim jongun signed today after they met for hours and then alone with separate advisers. It has no line about forcing denuclearization to the korean peninsula, the president said it was just something they agreed to. It doesnt include anything new. There is nothing in this document about timetables, about inspections, about verifications, about icbms. There is none of that in this document. What there is in this document also is anance the president seemingly made to North Koreans, and tha that he is going to stop those joint military exercises between the United States and south korea. That is something that caught not only the South Koreans off guard but also the u. S. Forces who were involved in those drills. So certainly that is something that is causing reverberations. Its unclear what exactly the president got out of this, but what we do know is its not what the secretary of state mike here, flew all the way from washington to get. That is what is the cvid, complete verifiable denuclearization. Thats not what they got, john. Kirby, dan with the Washington Post and Margaret Talia with bloomberg. Kim got and gave nothing, because everything in that document north korea has promised in previous agreements, in some of the previous agreements with a lot more specificity. But in defense of the president , he has a process now, and the leaders met and he says he has a facetoface promise from kim which in his view makes it better than the pres agreements they walked away from. There is an argument here that now hes got him on the record of being committed. It is a new leader, so its not his father. There is a little bit of a blank page here. Hes got him on the record and they can move going forward, increasing sanctions, pulling back on sanctions if they need to. But it wasnt as low as what i think actually happened. There is no substance and nothing of what pompeo predicted as possible outcomes came to fruition. So it leaves everybody scratching their heads. And it leaves pompeo now with the hard task. All the details. Hes always been the president s point person on this. He is going to be the nexus for the next meeting. Its not going to be trump and kim again next week, at least we dont think it is right now. But it will be pompeo who now has to pick up the ball and run with it. The president sought to make a case for all the things that the u. S. Had gotten out of it, but they involve things like the release of those three hostages that north korea had taken as leverage to try to get into these talks. So now there really is a question about concretely how do you move forward . In the short term, the president has the optics of today. Obviously, this is theater. Hes trying to signal to kim, this is what the relationship colike. Tor the rest of the world, for south korea, for u. S. Allies in the region, there are a lot of questions right now. Its as delicate a dance as you can possibly do on the International Stage for the president of the United States to take the leap to go meet with someone like kim, given his history, given what hes doing currently to the people in his country, never mind his military aspirations. But he is he, the president , hasec aion to try to kill him with kindness and bring him along by telling reporters both in the press conference and on his plane before he departed that he very much trusts kim and so forth. It doesnt mean that there arent people who are apoplectic hearing language from the president of the United States that you traditionally only hear from North Koreans. For example, that these military exercises which the president apparently said he was going to stop, or at least postpone, that they are seen as too aggressive, basically, in north korea. Provocative. Provocative, thank you. That is straight from the mouth of the north korean dictator. And it is something that you d spe to this better than i, but that the military, theyre pulling their hair out, because this is something they absolutely feel is essential for real readiness. Its not just a show of force, its real readin its an in. Healkedboutt as cost. Yes, there is a cost tng exercises, but these are investments not just in the security of the peninsula, but in our alliance. Think about as we watch this process unfold is what happens to the alliance between the states and south korea . Thats going to be a real bellweather about how healthy the process has actually been. Indulge the patience of our viewers. President bush said he looked into his soul and said he was a good man. President bush would admit that was aig mistake. Is President Trump right or is he making the same mistake when he says this . He is very talented. Anyone who takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough. Really, hes got a great personality. Hes a f y. Hes a very smart guy. Hes a greatnegotiator. Hes smart and loves his people. He loves his country. He wants a lot of good things, and thats why hes doing this. But hes starved them, hes been brutal to them. He still loves his people . Look, hes doing what hes seen done, if you look at it. In my lifetime ive done a lot of deals with a lot of people, and sometimes the people you most distrust turn out to be the most honorable ones, and the people you do trust, they are not the honorable ones. We know this president trusts this guy and trusts his instincts, but to say those things, he loves his people . He loves his peoplbout k jongun, the most brutal dictatorship, probably, on the planet . Its a risk. Its a huge risk, and the question is, are these words of a president who is incredibly naive about what he has put himself into,r is it part of the way trump operates . Weve seen him with a l of different leaders. He can be both charming and he can be offensive as we saw over the weekend with Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of canada. He had a love affair with Emmanuel Macron until they got into a nasty conversation on th. So what we dont know is how the president will treat kim jongun as these negotiations continue. Will there be a lot of touches . We know that he makes calls all the time to different foreign leaders. Will that now include kim . Will he be pushing him . Will he be flattering him . Will he be warning him . We dont know. But the things he said at singapore are obviously, in his mind, the way to get this moving in a direction that might lead to something. As he says, we dont know whether its going to produce. Listen here to this smart analysis. This is general michael hayden, former director of the cia, talking about if you look back three months, six months ago, people thought war was a distinct possibility. So general hayden says, were in a better place today. The question is when might we see something actually tangible from the north korean side . The North Koreans notme with. The new element is that we agreed to stop our annual exercise cycle with our south korean allies. Thats actually a pretty significant concession. If you stop the clock right now, though, john, and look at the scoreboard, the North Koreans are way ahead on points because that image yesterday of equivalence and the president s language, its an honor to meet you, hes tough, hes talented, thats a gift that will keep on giving for the North Koreans, and frankly, achieves a lotf their objectives for this process. So to continue the score analogy, which is sometimes dangerous, what does the president need . What does secretary pompeo need to cha that . If kim leaves with a healthy lead in deliverables, which he has there is no question about that there is n wrong with that if you get what you want later in the protscess. What is that . In the short term, its the v word, which is verification. That was as basic as it got going back to ronald reagan, obviously with the sovunion, and even before that. That is something that you can bet is going to be required if there ends up being an actual deal, because i was up with senator risch of idaho who is eventually going to be republican head of the Foreign Relations committee, and he says that he and Diane Feinstein have got an agreement from the white house that there will be Senate Observers in any negotiation so that they get in on the front end to make sure things like verification aren there for if and when there is a deal that the senate is go be asked to approve. I think that thats a basic ental. You heard the conversations in the state department. What are the final conversations in the final few minutes that President Trump is about to sign something that doesnt advance the ball. You could argue that it actually takes it back because its not as specific as the previous document. What are the conversations about that . Theyll have to come up with a sequencing plan for verification that is reversibleh the human rights issues. They have to come up with a plan, a framework, a piece of paper that both sides agree to that this is the way were going to march toward the sequencing forward. Up next, the Trump Administration goes, as weve just been discussing, from trust and verification with kim jongun to trust and cross your fingers. Hope for the best. If yor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough, it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. Entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. Infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. Entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. Pml, a rare, serious, potentially fatal brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. This condition has not been reported with entyvio. 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This ist interests the United States most, intercontinental ballistic missiles, but they were thought to have 30 to 60 nuclear warheads. It has advanced quite dramatically. If they cant now, they are close to being able to miniaturize a warhead and launch it on the United States. Remember last year he said it wasnt worth negotiating with north korea . Listen to the president saying he believes he wil be able to get them to give up the nukes. Kim jongun is on his way back to north korea, and i know for a fact as soon as he arrives, hes going to start a process thats going to make a lot of people happy and a lot of people safe. I have one of the great memories of all time. He was very firm in the facttha. I think he might want to do this as much o even more than me. I may stand before you in six months and say, he i was wrong. I dont know that ill ever admit that, but ill find some kind of an excuse. Hould the preside feel so confident . Joining me now to discuss, gordon chang. Hes the author of nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world. Let me start with you. Did you see anything from kim jongun that this time north korea is actually g to keep its promises and deliver . No. I cant say that from the summit meeting there was any sign of that. We just haveo hope as mr. Trump is hoping upon hope that kim will, quote,o something different, and wish for his people the best. The meeting was aspirational. The joint statement by the two leaders, aspirational with absolutely no substance, no clarity of direction. And its also important to keep in mind that that statement has no legal binding on either party, no accountability. So either side, both sides could just dump it any time. Just dump it any time. So gordon, lets listen to a little bit. To see kim jongun sit next to the president of the United States was remarkable and historic in it own rigs own rig. The question is do you get anything from it. Listen to k here saying how hard it was just to get to this. Overcome past practices and prejudices to get there. The question is, what was your take on what comes next or what needs to come next to see if hes real . We need to have intensive negotiations with the North Koreans to get what we believe we absolutely need, which is for the North Koreans to give up their Nuclear Weapons, to give up their ballistic missiles, even the shortrange ones, to dismantle their weapons infrastructure, also to get verification, and finally, for the japanese, to get an accounting of the abductees. These are things i believe are absolutely essential. The president has said theyre absolutely essential. Hes reached a very high standard. He needs to meet it. But katharine says it wasnt thatspecific. Sometimes thats not a bad thing if you raise it in private remarks. If you can do business behind closed doors, not necessarily a bad thing. I want to come back to kim here. Listen to him saying the world should trust him. Things are going to change. Translator today we had a historic meeting and are about to leave the past behind. We are about to sign a historic document. The world will see a major change. We have had similar promises in previous administrations with other nor korean leaders. I should say his father and grandfather have told the world things before and broken their promises. Number one, he gets the meeting. Number two, he gets the president of the United States to say were going to cancel joint military exercises with south korea. Two big wins for the north. Now china is saying ease up on. The u. S. Could veto that but the chinese could do that and reopen the border. What is the incentive for kim to keep going . If thats a question for me, ill take it. Kim has won in the sense that it is up to him now to be in the drivers seat, and mr. Trump sadly has given him that position. Mr. Trump seems to think he can trust kim. Kim, now, its all up to him to determine whether he has the political desire and will to turn the crusty ship of state called north korea into what he wants to believe is a new era. He has been prepping his public and the military in particular for this for some kind of a big change. Basic change for a fundamental new line, he calls it. Whether or not he would be able to do it domestically is a big question, and whether or not he would have the incentive, if he does not get goods delivered from the u. S. And other countries, thats another question. Right now we have no idea where the actual bilateral relationship between the dprk, north korea and the u. S. Is supposed to go. So i dont know how kim would know. One thing i want to mention which is very important, the fact that there were no official notetakers, the fact that we, the public, internation pueft to just take the two leaders at their word when this summit was just a tremendous, tremendous opportunity, that i find very disconcerting. They can say whatever they want and we have no way to verify it. To that point, gordon, the initial res

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