House democrats who appear ready to impeach or the first republican senator calling on him to resign, but his own Vice President. Mike pence, he has the power to invoke the 25th amendment along with other cabinet members and a source close to the Vice President tells our chief White House Correspondent jim acosta that pence is not ruling out use of the 25th amendment, which would remove the president from office. And tonight im learning, though, that this is not under serious consideration. But the Vice President not ruling it out. And news of that possibility comes after the latest pence move that may be aggravating a president who has shown little interest in the transition of power in 11 days. The source tells cnn pence will attend the inauguration of joe biden while trump boycotts. And tonight we are learning more about what is quickly becoming a fractured relationship between trump and pence. We now know that they havent spoken since the riot on the u. S. Capitol and the president has not made any Public Comments denouncing Death Threats made against the Vice President though a White House Deputy press secretary says we strongly including those against any member of this administration. Again, thats a Deputy White House press secretary. Silence from the president. And one source telling me that pence has finally gotten, quote, a glimpse of potuss vindictiveness. Two sources familiar with the matter say trump is angry at pence and pence is disappointed and saddened by trump. As you saw this week trump tried to get the Vice President to overturn the Election Results in congress but pence made it clear what most already understood, that he could do nothing about it under the constitution. And pence was one of the named targets of the mob during wednesdays capitol assault. This video is disturbing but part of the reality of the rage. We want pence, we want pence, we want pence, we want pence, we want pence. And as you reported trump never called to check on pences wellbeing and tonight that remains the case according to a source i spoke with this evening. We begin this hour with White House Correspondent john harwood. John, one thing is certain, the 25th amendment has certainly not been taken off the table, it seems. Its not. It is highly unlikely, as you reported a few moments ago, to be employed, not least because some of the cabinet members who are the most disaffected by the president s behavior, betsy devos and elaine chao have resigned from the cabinet. You need to get a majority of the cabinet voting to invoke the amendment along with the Vice President. However, i think whats happening is that the entire country is increasingly coming to grips with the seriousness of that insurrection that was incited by the president , and also with the president s mental illness, that he is not a stable person, that hes not acting rationally. That is clear to mike pence more than anyone else. First of all, hes been very close to President Trump for four years, hes seen all this behavior and now hes found himself at the end of this term inside the capitol threatened by people inspired by the president and that the president had turned on him because he wasnt willing to attempt to subvert the constitution on the president s behalf. I think the threat of the 25th amendment is part of a broader effort to deter future bad acts from the president over the course of the next ten days to try to get the country out of this crisis. The same is true, i think, of the impeachment, at least in part, the impeachment threat, it is meant to be hung over the president to as well as republican senators calling for his resignation, for example, to try to stop him from doing bad things. Weve seen he responded to pressure the other day and put out that videotaped statement where he acknowledged he wasnt going to be president after january 20th. He may regret that now. But he did it with pressure. Hes under pressure to correct the correct me if im wrong and then he regrets it after, and that appears to be the case here. As well. John harwood, thank you so much and keep up the reporting, theres a lot going on. I know youre very busy. Thanks so much. And although the political divide in the country has never been so stark few would argue with this statement right here, that the past four years have been unlike any other presidency in history. But where do we go from here . Im joined by president ial historian allen lickman, distinguished professor of history at american university, the author of many books, including predicting the next president , the keys to the white house. Allen, thanks for coming on. You made headlines back in 2016 when you correctly predicted that President Trump would win the white house using your 13 keys, underlined fundamentals that you say have driven every president ial election since 1860. Im sure you would also predict that trump would be an unorthodox president but did you have any inkling that things would turn out the way that they have . Absolutely i did. At the same time in my september 2016 Washington Post interview where i predicted trump would win, i predicted that he would be impeached and then in april 2017, i wrote my book, the case for impeachment. Now, how did i know this . Because id looked at Donald Trumps entire history, and i saw this was an individual who cared about nothing but himself, who constantly faltered the law and made lying a daily practice. In fact, he burst into politics on the back of the biggest, most protracted, worst lie in American History that our first africanamerican president was born in africa, not in hawaii. So nothing about trumps transgressions have surprised me at all. It was all predictable from the start. Has there ever been a president ial moment that compares with what happened on wednesday when a sitting president actually egged on an angry mob, essentially . Never. And i want to point out a synergy here. At the same time this murderous mob was storming the capitol, something we have never seen before, the death toll from covid19 was well exceeding the victims on 9 11. And patients were being dumped into hallways because they couldnt find beds. And both of these tragedies were the result of the two worst transgressions by a president in American History. First, lying about the pandemic and then botching the response, and second, lying about the election, and then instituting this violent attack on the capitol. You know, you think about how history books, hundreds of years from now, will be writing about what were living through right now. Right . I mean, in this moment, that were all living through. How do you think history will look back on this . Well, it depends, or look on it as the greatest stress test since the civil war in our democracy and we have two pathways. We can try to repair our democracy, to nurture civic virtue or we can follow the path that donald trump has tried, undermining democracy, and threatening our unity. You know, i go back to the 1850s when the nation was racked by slavery and the slavery conflict destroyed the wig party and what arose out of the wig party was the Republican Party. Yet ironically today the Republican Party faces the same threat of implosion from within as the wig party, a recent poll showed 45 , get this, of republicans approved of the attack on the capitol, 43 disapprove. The Republican Party is going to have a very difficult time navigating between these two unpalatable alternatives, risking losing half of its base and perhaps going the way of the wig party. Right. And you look at this dynamic with the election, basically some have clearly felt like they had to lie about the election in order to make their base happy. It was this weird sort of symbiotic relationship. I want to ask you this before we let you go, allen, the white house has yet to lower the American Flag following the death of the Capitol Police officer after wednesdays attack. Here are some live pictures. How unusual is that . Its quite unusual, but it is not unusual for this president. This president has no empathy, no concern for anyone but himself, everything for him is transactional, and he doesnt want to admit that his followers, who stormed the capitol, were responsible for the death of this officer or responsible for the other deaths. You know, one thing that this president is good at is distraction and deflection and were absolutely seeing that now. He takes no responsibility for anything throughout his presidency, and, you know, harry truman once said the buck stops here at the presidency. Well, the donald Trump Presidency has been the buck stops anywhere but here. All right, allen liktman, thank you so much for your time, we appreciate it. My pleasure, pamela. And now to the work of bringing the people who actually stormed the u. S. Capitol to justice, police and federal agents across the country are identifying and arresting some of these people, seen smashing windows and breaking down doors. One manmade the search easy by posting a video of himself going into the capitol with the mob. He was an elected official in the state of West Virginia. I say was because derek evans resigned that office today. And he now faces federal charges. And the man photographed smiling and carrying the House Speakers lectern was also arrested in florida, adam johnson, now faces multiple charges as well. And let me bring in peter lacotta, a senior Law Enforcement analyst and former fbi supervisory special agent, peter, good to see you, is there anything a citys police force can do if a crowd that is big enough and frenzyed enough, is hell bent taking over a building like we saw at the u. S. Capitol . Good evening, yes, its be prepared. Its do analysis prior to knowing that theres going to be protests and potential violent protests, is prepare yourself, query sources, insert Law Enforcement into the crowd is what we would call post standers that blend in with the crowd to report that live realtime information back to Law Enforcement so they can plan and scale their preparedness properly. Was there a moment you could put your finger on when the people in this crowd changed from a rally of Trump Supporters to this violent stampede that overwhelmed Capitol Police . Yeah, either when you saw people start scaling the side of the building to get up onto the rotunda area, when they were, you know, using their flags as weapons to try to barricade or force their way into the Capitol Building. It broke very quickly. Law enforcement did the best they could in the reaction of it. I just dont think they could have done a better job preparing for this and futurecasting what the consequences could have been with a better preparedness. Right, there was a lot of talk about, you know, intelligence sharing this and that but the reality is there was chatter about this on publicly available extremist forums. You didnt have to have classified intelligence access to know that this was going to happen, the president had also been promoting this rally, he had been using that the rhetoric about the election being stolen from him and to fight and so forth. It didnt take a lot to know what could happen, but if you would, help us understand what might have been happening when we saw uniformed officers either stand aside, or to show solidarity with the rioters, taking selfies or fist bumping with them, what do you make of that . Thats a tough situation to try to judge without being there. Obviously when an officer is encountered by hundreds, if not thousands, of people yelling profanities, yelling acts of violence, its sometimes better to give ground. So its almost sometimes might be a defense mechanism that Law Enforcement officer, hes going to arrest all the people around him or her. Unfortunately those officers were put in a bad position and they had to do what they could in order to almost survive that situation. Its almost incredible when you look at the video that were showing right now, and how the capitol was just filled up with all of these rioters, how they were actually able to clear out the Capitol Building safely so that the lawmakers could continue their work. How were certain leaders or people in positions of power able to whip a crowd of people like this into a mob that is capable of such destruction . What do you make of that and how likely . You look at the profiles of some of these people who went into the Capitol Building, elected officials, war veterans, ceo, i mean, getting them whipped up, too, to sort of join in in this mob mentality. Agreed. To your initial point, though, it is a credit to the Capitol Police and Law Enforcement, the fact that no members of congress were injured, not hurt. They saved the capitol. They were able to repel the rioters, the insurgents back out and establish order. But to answer your question to the latter, its about extremism. So i kind of refer back to i was asked that question once before by a News Reporter and the answer is, in my years, 21 years with the fbi, a lot of that overseas, responding to terrorist attacks conducted by al qaeda, and other terrorist groups, i never saw a leader of an Extremist Group actually strap on an explosive device on their body and walk into the market. Those people in power exploit their masses by espousing rhetoric, they play to their fears, they play to their passions and they unfortunately let the followers do the dirty work for them. Thats the problem with extremism and listening to cults of personality. Were talking about the president of the United States. Do you believe that the president radicalized these people, you know the president s comments are amplified online, that they are then watching and consuming . Well, thats kind of part of it. Theyre listening to whoever they espouse their loyalty to. In this case it was the president. And if the president s rallying theyre going to almost blindly listen to those words and almost interpret what he or she is anticipating them to do. All right, peter lacotta, thank you, really important perspective there. Thank you. And there are some developments tonight on the president ial inauguration ceremony, 11 days from now when joe biden takes the oath of office. An Administration Source now confirming that Vice President mike pence will be in attendance. Cnn had previously reported that the Vice President was waiting for an invitation. Athena jones is with me now. Joe biden made that invitation pretty clear. Hi, pamela. Well, i think, you know, if you this is usually something handled on a staff level. Its not as though its a wedding that you get an invitation and have to rsvp. Its generally expected that someone like Vice President pence would attend the inauguration along with outgoing President Trump. The one whos breaking precedent is President Trump deciding not to go. But youre right, president elect joe biden was asked about this in a press conference in wilmington on friday and he said pence is welcome. He said its important to try to stick as much as possible to what had been the historical press debits of how theres a turnover of administrations. Not only is Vice President pence welcome to come, wed be honored to have him here and to move forward in the transition. That is now very clear, and now we know that pence is going to be going. Pamela . He is, and the president will not. Athena jones, thank you for bringing the latest from delaware. Coming up, the insurrection we saw on capitol hill this week was the result of months of disinformation about the president ial election. So what role did conservative media have in it . Were going to take a look up next. 2020s done a new era has begun so keep pushing forward. Because this is twenty twenty won make a different future start different at godaddy. 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