Dozens of current and former u. S. And israeli diplomats that they have talked to many others. No surprise officebviously that the United States and israel would spy on each other. The real surprise is that israel would try to use this information against the white house to further its position. And it was discovered as you say by u. S. Intelligence agencies spying on what israeli was doing. And hearing language in conversations there. Which made them realize that the information that they had and were discussing could only have come from a knowledge of what was going on inside those talks. So eavesdropping at the highest level. Chris in. So nic, we have the intrigue of the politics surrounding the talks, lets get into the talks themselves. The issue of centrifuges. Thats central. What do we understand . Well one of the points that arises in the wall street journal article is they used a number of 6,500 centrifuges, a part of the deal. That iran might be able to use the ir4 centrifuge. A relatively advanced type of centrifuge more reliable and it produces more and better enriched uranium per enrichment cycle. Weve heard last week from european diplomats, european sources that the figure of 6,000 centrifuges is something thats coming up in the talks. So what does it mean . From what the state department has been briefing us centrifuges are just part of the bigger narrative. But the bigger number it makes it sound like iran is getting more of what it wants and therefore, a high number means you have leverage therefore to perhaps sway the way people are thinking about the outcome of the talks. State department again continues to say this is part of a matrix that you cannot taj taikke one item like centrifuges and get an idea of the strength based on that. Israel denies the allegations of spying outlined in the report. Lets go to cnn Global Affairs correspondent elise labatt in jerusalem with more. Vehemently denying. A senior israeli official saying quote these allegations are utterly false, the state of israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or israels other allies. The allegations are clearly intended to undermine the strong ties between the United States and rarl andisrael and the security and intelligence relationship we share. When i was traveling to washington with Prime Minister netanyahu for the speech. The u. S. Was very concerned that israel was going to leak some of these details. They were very coy about where they were getting some of that information. But some of that information did come from other parties in the talks. The israelis have been very upfront about the fact that theyre trying to influence the deal with iran make it much tougher. To that end, the Israeli Intelligence minister is leading a delegation to talk to some of the countries involved in europe in the talks. He was just in paris. Seeing the french taking a tougher line in the Nuclear Negotiations more in line than their thinking almost. Now the delegation heads to london to try to make the case that the deal could be much tougher. Chris . We know that israel is denying it. But the white house probably not buying it. Lets get to cnn White House CorrespondentMichelle Kosinski joining us now. How big a deal is this down there . Whether or not they spied is going to be fairly clear to the white house, right . Its what it means to them . Right exactly. Weve heard it said before weve been talking about it this morning. Its not surprising that both of these countries are going to be spying on each other. But this is such critical sensitive time. And the white house, the National Security council are not commenting on the reporting. Yesterday they took the time to reiterate that the security and intelligence cooperation between the u. S. And israel will continue. Thats not to say that the u. S. Has not been extremely annoyed with israel through this process over the last few weeks. While the iran negotiations have been going on. We know that the u. S. Is reevaluating its position in some respects based on things that israel has said. And also the u. S. Has expressed deep concerns that israel has been leaking information about the negotiations. Israel has denied that. But the white house has been worried about that. They say that undermines the foundation of the relationship and thats not the way allies are supposed to treat each other. Lets bring in now jamie reuben the former u. S. Assistant secretary of state. Good morning, jamie. Good morning. Before we talk about all of this cloakanddaggery, and the subterfuge involved on both sides. Let me remind our viewers of what netanyahu said. The details of the speech he gave to Congress Earlier this month. According to the deal not a single Nuclear Facility would be demolish. Thousands of centrifuges used to enrich uranium would be left spinning. Thousands more would be temporarily disconducted but not destroyed. Now jamie, when he was gig those details, did you or anyone sort of raise your eyebrows and say how is he getting those details . No i didnt. Because most of those were already in the newspapers and reported by the journalists following the negotiations there are some basic facts about the negotiations that have been well known. Really whats going on here is that the israelis and the Obama Administration have a fundamental policy dispute about a matter of the highest priority to the white house and the highest priority to israel. When that happens there are always going to be claims and counterclaims about information being put out thats misleading. For example, those thousands of centrifuges were mentioned. Used the number 6,500. But that was a number that wasnt out in the public. Benjamin netanyahu used the number 6,500. It was hard to get a confirmation of that. Well but in the clip you just showed he said thousands. Thats what i heard the clip say. In newspaper accounts theres been reports that he knew a specific number. But the key point is that the israelis left out a crucial factor. That most of the material needed to build a nuclear bomb would have been shipped out of the country. Thats what the white house doesnt like. Where theres cherrypicking of the specifics of the agreement, that gives the impression that the administration is giving away the store. When they dont think they are. Can we get back to the spying for a second . Because its probably not a surprise to you, who is an insider that this sort of stuff goes on. But to average americans, it is surprising to hear that allies are spying on each other. These were closeddoor meetings. Do we know how the israelis were able to spy inside that room . Look i vth been in government for several years, what i remember from that time i wouldnt be able to talk to you about. What i can say is that its been widely known that the United States israel britain, france have listening capabilities for discussions. Its usually not what goes on in a specific room. Its when those people leave the room and go tell other people that information is not kept as close as it ought to be. Okay. By the way, a senior israeli official as we just heard from Elise Labbott denies they got this information from spying and they deny any sort of spying was going on. The upshot is whats the effect . Whats the cost of this having come to light . Do you think it affects the Iran Nuclear Talks . Well i think it does. In the following sense ever since Prime Minister netanyahu and the disagreed on iran going back several months leading up to the speech in washington and now all these stories about spying whats happening here is theres a breakdown in the relationship and so all this these stories that are negative are coming out. Thats not an accident. People who would hold back in the past, feel free to talk to people about problems. Where it hurts the talks, from the israeli perspective, is that for the first time in my memory an israeli Prime Minister does not have any clout in the oval office the president isnt interested in what he has to say about these talks. And these talks obviously affect not just the United States but israel too, and thats unique thats unusual. Which means that netanyahu is forced to use the congressional lobbying method to try to get republicans and if hes lucky, some democrats to block this agreement. But i dont think hes going to be very successful because of the partisan nature of this dispute now. Do you think it makes iran less willing to be open and engage in these talks . I dont think it really makes any difference in the end. The iranians are going to make a calculation that theyll get enough sanctions relief for what they would require as regard as acceptable limits on their program. Thats their big calculation. And frankly were a long way from that. I was very struck by the fact that the leader in iran wants the sanctions ton lifted all at once and the west is not going to do that. I think were a lot farther away from an agreement than people have been led to believe. And what this shows is how controversial this agreement is. Because both israel and the United States have a lot at stake. Iran has a lot at stake. And the two sides, israel and the United States in this context, just dont agree on what we should be doing here. And i hope that your viewers will understand one crucial factor that is rarely understood for several years now, iran has been able to build a nuclear bomb. Theyve chosen not to. And so what this negotiation is about, is not whether iran can get the bomb. Theyve been able to do that for several years, theyve chosen not to. What the agreement is about, is how to make it harder for them to do it if they choose to. Make it increasingly likely theyd be caught cheating if they tried. And to give them a better reason not to build one. Thats what the agreement is about. Not whether iran can build a bomb. They can do that today. Theyve chosen not to. Thats not well understood. So true jamie reuben thanks so much for the interesting perspective, nice to talk to you. Yemens foreign minister is asking for gulf arab states to help stop the advance of Houthi Rebels who have seized control of major cities after pushing out the government. It comes after u. S. 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People are talking past what seems to be the headline to me mr. Mudd. Were you in the spy game. Is this how friends treat each other . Espionage and then denying it and supplying it to congress . Well hold on a second here theres a bunch of pieces missing, theres a corpner of the puzzle here theres a bunch of pieces missing. Theres the p5, the permanent members of the Security Council. And then theres a iran a longtime Israeli Intelligence target. Lot of people in iran know whats going on in these talks. Its not clear to me whether this information was gained from spying on americans or gained from the Security Council and the Iranian Security and Government Services theres a lot missing to this story. Mr. Mudd your friends in the u. S. Intelligence service say they know israel was spying on them in this regard. Because they were spying on israel. And thats what your friends say according to the wall street journal. Youre saying they have it wrong . Show me the money here. Let me tell you what i mean. If youre looking at talks, one way to look at the talks to gain technical information, bugging the iranians intercepting their communications theyre onehalf of the puzzle and the israelis are very good about working against the Iranian Intelligence target. My first question is how are you sure where the information came from . The second is the difference between intelligence and diplomacy. The israelis are into every government thats in paris, in london in germany, talking about whats going on in these talks. If you want to tell me that the diplomats from the Security Council in germany who know about the details of these talks have never given any information to the israelis not as a result of spying but as a result of conversation and diplomacy, thats nuts. I want to know where the information came from and my first guess, is not that the israelis are bugging us i wouldnt rule it out. I saw it all in 25 years in this business i just want to see the proof. They deny it. What are they supposed to say, its a spy business. Theyre an ally they say we dont spy on our friends. But still, once again, mr. Mudd your friends at the u. S. Intelligence they say we caught them doing this youre saying i dont know that thats so sure do you think theyre wrong . I think whats happening here is we have a fundamental lack of trust between two governments that are close allies israel and the United States. The u. S. Side is frustrated that the israelis are undercutting the talks by going directly to allies and going directly to congress. Theres information that suggests that the israelis have a lot about these talks that theyre laying on the table to congress to try to undercut the president , im saying theres some extremely frustrated people in washington when they see the israelis come to to the table with a lot of detail. One of their suppositions is that israelis are spying. Im questioning whether the details the israelis are providing had to have come from the u. S. Side. Im not sure about it. Who did the wrong thing here . If allies spy on each other and it makes sense that israel would want information dhoerngts like how the u. S. Started negotiations with iran without telling them back in 2012. So is the real blame to be put on the u. S. For leaking that israel was spying on them trying to make israel look like the bad guy . Whos bad guy here . I think the president has a responsibility to negotiate from his perspective and the best interests of the country. The congress has the right to review this theyre pissing all over each other