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CNNW New Day March 25, 2015

Quite frequently. Weve seen a lot of French Police helicopters, the occasional italian helicopter flying in here. The interior minister saying the operations were delayed and slowed overnight. The recovery operations appear to be in full swing. The interior minister spokesman saying that right now the focus and the effort is all towards recovering the victims of the crash. This morning, thousands of feet up in the french alps recovery of the obliterated Germanwings Flight 9525 continues. The crash site a picture of horror says germanys foreign minister. Wreckage of plane strewn across ten acres of rocky terrain. All 150 souls on board, including 16 School Children and two babies presumed lost. A storm front pushing rain and possibly snow into the Higher Elevations today, may hinder the recovery effort. The mountain weather often creates clouds its a very challenging situation for the rescuers. Around 10 00 a. M. Local tuesday, the airbus 320 was on the ground in barcelona, its takeoff delayed by 30 minutes. The company says it was air Traffic Control issues not the plane itself that delayed departure departure. Once in the air around 10 45 a. M. Headed towards dusseldorf germany. The plane reached a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet. Then suddenly flight 9525 descended rapidly for eight minutes. The pilots making no distress signal. There was a controlled descent. It doesnt appear it was a loss of control in flight. We dont know if there was problems with their equipment. With their radios. At 6,000 feet the Germanwings Flight lost contact with french radar, crashing into the side of this mountain. The flights cockpit voice recorder has been recovered. But is damaged, according to the French Interior ministry. Who are now reconstructing the elements. Its devastating says the ceo of germanwings parent company. There are very small pieces of debris which let you deduce the energy with which the plane hit the ground. Now some germanwings crew are reluctant to fly, horrified after this mysterious crash. The airline forced to cancel a small number of flights. So its on this field here that the first, the first, the victims bodies will be brought back to by the helicopters, it is French Police with mountain mountaineering equipment that are being dropped into the site to secure it the interior Ministry Spokesman saying right now the priority to recover the bodies of the victims. Chris . Nic, we know theyre making a massive human effort on that level. 200 on the team expected to get to 500, the terrain very forbidding and slowing things up. Now the 150 people were on that doomed flight they came from nearly 20 countries there were a group of German School kids on board, as well as dozens of victims believed to have come from spain. So lets get to cnns carl penhall live outside barcelona, thats where 9525 originated. Carl . Yeah absolutely chris. Were at a village here just north of barcelona, this is where 16 german secondary schoolkids had spent the last week in a language and Cultural Exchange program. Those kinds of programs are so common across europe you drop into classes in spain, learn a little of the language stay with a host family and friendships are forged. Friendships that could last a lifetime. And it was here now that students are having to come to terms with the loss of friends. This was the return leg, because spanish students three weeks ago were in germany and so over the last few minutes in a short simple and very private ceremony friends, parents and teachers have been remembering those german friends who are now dead. But of course it wasnt just germans, nor just spaniards who are on board that flight. Lufthansa is now trying to put together a list of the numbers of nationalities that were on board. I counted eight or nine different nationalityies, mexicans argentinians colombians japanese australians. This is a tragedy that is transcending nations and generations. Because also remember barcelona very cosmopolitan city its a Tourist Center people coming for vacation and also for short weekend breaks retirees from Northern Europe coming down here looking for a bit of winter sun. Its also a commercial hub as well. And we understand that some of the people on board that flight were also business men heading to trade fairs in germany. Back to you, alisyn. Karl terribly sad, thank you for that report. We want to bring in mary sciavo a cnn aviation analyst and former inspectorgeneral of the department of transportation. Good morning, mary. Good morning. I know youve had a chance to look over the available data. What stands out to you about this crash . Well to me what stands out are two things. One, that there was no Radio Communication new york city distress call no mayday no squawking of any trance ponder codes to indicate a problem was going on. No communication and there that there was no deviation in the path. Once whatever happened at 38,000 feet occurred the plane continued on a descent with no change in direction. No deviation up and down. So you know based on prior crashes that ive worked on it certainly sounds like they either had some sort of a loss of compass tags of the pilots or a loss of the ability to steer, control, change the pitch or the attitude of the plane, if you will or the direction. So there have been accidents like this in the past but theyre quite rare at this altitude. There were two other airports that were close to the flight path that if there was an emergency, the pilots could have deviated to. And the fact that they didnt do that it does speak to your theory of incapacitation. You know there have been accidents in the past crashes in the past im remembering alaska air back in 2000 where they had a problem with the plane and they passed up some airports and they were doing an inflight, en route trouble shut is what we call it there was a lot of discussion after that and it was said take the first available runway. I think pilots are pretty well trained to take an airport if theyve got a problem. Not try to fix something in the air if they knew it and had the ability to go back to that airport, they would have. What causes pilot incapacitation . Well usually, not usually its rare. There are a couple of things one is if you have a rapid decompression and the pilots are not able to get on their auxiliary oxygen masks fast enough. Or its such a catastrophic depressurization depending on where it occurred in the plane and so they pass out. Apoxia lack of oxygen. The second reason could be some kind of smoke or fume event, a fire on board, which again, the pilots have emergency oxygen but sometimes its so quick, and the plane can fill up with smoke and fumes from a fire very quickly. So those are the two things that have happened in the past. The European Air Safety Commission recently issued a warning about something they discovered that could put a plane into a descent. Do you know anything about this . Yes. What they had looked at and the United States federal Aviation Administration also flagged this but what they looked at was it was an attitude indicator. In other words, it tells you if your to put it simply if your planes nose is up or down what is the exact position of your plane with respect to the horizon. Are you pitched up . Or are you pitched down. And this is a tube on the port of the plane. On the side of the plane, and it reads this by having air flow into the plane. There were some problems with others, air france 447 had some indication there is might have been these tube problems. And one is called a pedo tube and the other one is a port that takes in information. And the airline did come out with a statement saying they had made those changes to this plane and other planes in their fleet. They had done their changeover on the fleet to comply with this warning. Whether thats true or not, of course the french bea, the investigators will find that out, first thing they do in addition to try to assess if there are any survivors is start grabbing the records of the maintenance of the plane. We know that both black boxes have been found, but the voice recorder is damaged. Does that mean they will not be able to get information off it . Not necessarily. And its a good thing it was on land. If it had been damaged, if the heavy, heavy container, its sealed up in a very heavy metal box and its capable of withstanding tremendous impact. But not all impact. Had it been under water and had saltwater damage in addition to having the casing breached it can be very difficult. What theyre going to try to do is get any kind of data off of that that they can. But if its a mechanical the flight data recorder i feel very confident will have it. It literally records hundreds of parameters of data. It will have the air speed, the attitude the positioning of the engines, the positions on the engines, how, what were they set at. And just all sorts of data. It looks kind of like a very zensive ekg. You have an ekg at the doctor and you have the lines of data running across the paper, thats what it looks like when you print out a flight data recorder and experts are able to take each piece of that and reconstruct the flight. As long as the flight data recorder is intact i think theyll solve the mystery quickly. Very sad mystery, but theyll figure it out. Germanwings had to cancel several flights yesterday because flight crews didnt want to get back on board. Is that certainly we can all understand the feeling of being overwhelmed by emotion. Is that true on American Airlines as well . Is that commonplace . Its not commonplace, but this is a very a very strange mystery. I think probably the closest analogy is back about probably about 20 years, we had an odd situation on 737s, older 737s, not the current ones that are flying but on 737, i think 200 model, there were mysterious hardovers, the plane would make a dramatic veering, it was a rudder hard over and no one could solve the mystery. It remains one of the largest unsolves for a long time and people were very skittish about that. Back in the late 80s, early 90s, people were skittish about the dc10, it had an engine loss over chicago. An engine fell off. Not a engine shut down. An actual refuse to fly, no. But if you think about it this is a huge plane and this is a huge mystery, on a clear day the pilots if conscious, would have seen the mountains. So we know that they didnt intentionally or they couldnt do this if there was any way to control the plane they would have changed the course of direction. So its a very frightful thought to a pilot and i can certainly understand the emotion. It is all so troubling. Thanks so much, merry,america mary nice to see you. Certain members of congress are dismissing a wall street journal report that basically, that basically benefitted from israels spying on u. S. Nuclear talks with iran. President obama not commenting however the administration is not happy that classified information was shared. Cnns Michelle Kosinski live at the white house this morning. Not commenting, but is there a connection between recent tension and what white house knew was going on . I mean there really seems to be. Even the way this came up in the press is weird. This is now leaks about the leaks. In Nuclear Talks with iran. Allegations of spying that were allegedly discovered through spying. But its not even the spying that has the administration questioning or particularly upset. Its the putting out there of Sensitive Information, seen as further damaging this relationship. Did israel spy on its allies negotiations with iran . Thats what anonymous official sources quoted in the wall street journal are accusing fullon eavesdropping on communications and pulling sensitive details out of informants. All allegedly discovered by the u. S. In turn spying on israel. Publicly the administration wont talk about it. I dont comment on Intelligence Matters in a big room full of reporters. Were not going to comment on Intelligence Matters. Israel dunn it is calling the allegations utterly false. The state of israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or israels other allies which is interesting, because its well known that ally does spy. And israel isnt denying spying on iran which allies are working directly with but the u. S. Officials in the article are most angry about what what they say was israels sharing of confidential details with congress. Which members of congress deny. Frankly, i was a bit shocked, because theres no information revealed to me whatsoever. Im baffled by it. None of those cases have the israelis discussed with me anything that i would consider classified or even all that sensitive. We heard that again and again from a number of members. Some of whom suspect its the white house that used that article to add another slam on israels attempts to derail a deal with iran. This cant be reduced to a matter of somehow lets all hold hands and sing kumbayah its a matter of figuring how to get through a real knotty policy difference that has great consequences for both countries and for the region. You know a couple weeks ago we started to see the leaks come out of the talks. Very specific details. Things like the negotiation, negotiators were looking for a tenyear timeframe on a potential deal there was a oneyear breakout period. The approximate number of centrifuges, it seemed to take the white house by surprise they clearly blamed israel. Saying that putting information out there like that betrays the trust between allies. And thats not how allies are supposed to behave. It sounds like that is true. Thanks so much. Lets talk president ial politics because one of the biggest crusaders against obamacare signing up for obamacare. Gop president ial candidate senator ted cruz says he is simply following the law. Cnns chief Congressional Correspondent dana bash sat down oneonone with senator cruz. Fascinating interview. I wanted to ask this question because on cnn. Com, mj lee had reported that ted cruz was needing Health Insurance. He was getting it from his wifes company, goldman sachs, she was leaving to help him with his campaign. Asked him the simple question how are you going to get insurance, this was his answer. Shes taking an unpaid leave of absence from her job. Were transitioning, well be getting new Health Insurance. Well do it through my job in the senate so well be on the federal exchange like millions of others on the federal exchange. You will be getting obamacare effectively. It is one of the good things about obamacare is that the statute provided that members of congress would be on the exchanges without subsidies, just like millions of americans. So there wouldnt be a double standard. So frankly, i didnt expect him to say that i didnt know what the answer was going to be. I thought maybe he would say, we would do cobra, which a lot of people do when they leave their job. They extend their Health Insurance. His wifes insurance. Certainly you can buy insurance through the private sector outside of the exchange through the individual market. Their campaign argue thats individual market is decimated because of obamacare. Hes investigating this looking into it. Afterwards he was pretty clear firm that he was doing obamacare afterwards his people were like well hes still considering it. You also asked if he would be taking the socalled subsidy or employer contribution. Something like 1,000 for a family per month. That you get from the federal government. Did he answer if he would be accepting that . He didnt answer when i asked that question. But his campaign got back to me afterwards and said no hes not going to do it a lot of republicans who do take obamacare, because that is the law of the land protest by saying were not going to take the employer contribution which is effectively an employer subsidy. Thank you so much dana. President obama says 9800 u. S. Troops will stay in afghanistan through the end of the year. The administration had planned to reduce that number to 5500 in the same timeframe. The revision comes at the request of afghanistans new president , ashraf ghani. He is set to address a joint meeting of congress. Today the u. S. Will lead muchneeded air strikes in tikrit to take out remaining isis positions. Surveillance and Reconnaissance Air missions began tuesday. This is the first time the Iraqi Government has asked fr american assistance in the region. An offensive up until now waged largely by Shiite Militia with backing from iran. The snag here has been that the u. S. Position is it does not coordinate directly with iran. Secret Service Director joe clancy gets another earful from angry lawmakers criticizing him for not letting agents testify about a march 4th incident where two agents allegedly drove a government vehicle through a bomb threat investigation. And nudged a barrier after a night of drinking. Lawmakers also got their first look at Surveillance Video of the incident from the Washington Metropolitan Police department. The secret service footage of the incident has been not been released. The footage will be key, right . Sure. Whats the difference did you push a barrier out of the way, did you nudge it . Its interesting how the story has sort of morphed. A lost guys and women in the secret service werent happy about this from the beginning, because they said the story had gotten ahead of the facts. It started off the first word that we got was that they smashed through and they were ripping drunk and heres another example. And the story is getting walked back. Sometimes its better to wait. Well see what happens. They never took a field sobriety test. There are questions, sure. What do you think the cause is of this tension between the u. S. And israel . Spying to tip off congress right . Maybe not. Not a single lawmaker will confirm ever being contacted. Were going to dig

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