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CNNW New Day April 6, 2015

What i would say to the israeli people is, however, that there is no formula there is no option to prevent iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon that will be more effective than the Diplomatic Initiative and framework we put edward and that is demonstrable. Congress in town next week and ready to challenge president obama on the details of this deal. President obama indicated some openness to be able to have congress register their feelings about this deal. But without making it a binding agreement, many in congress believe that my not be good enough. Sunlen, thank you all of that backed. Lets break down the real stakes are here. Richard was a Senior Adviser to president bill clinton and kevin madden is a republican political strategist. What is the sell from the president coming to congress . What is his best bet . I think the best bet this is a historic opportunity to change the way we do business with this country and we have to keep our eye on the big prize that if the framework results in a binding agreement, which we hope it will that iran will agree not to obtain Nuclear Weapons for a good amount of time and that is you know, a gamechanger in terms of the security of the whole world. Kevin, you heard richards point. He is not alone. We have heard two completely different views of this deal. The critics say Like Netanyahu its a bad deal and the others say this is history making and it could reorder the entire relationship even in the middle east. Some of our pundits likened it to nixon going to china. How do you see it . I think the big problem is there a trust deficit up on capitol hill between the white house and members of congress. The president has to go and really sell this and the merits of the deal. I think many up there worry this is essentially enshrined irans right to enrich and some of the facilities that were built illegally still remain in place. The president , i think one of the big risks the president took when he announced the deal was that he seemed to throw down the gauntlet saying if Congress Gets involved it will scuttle any chance to get this deal. I think that is a mistake because this congress has shown every time that the president wants to throw down a gauntlet they have picked it right up. He has signaled as sunlen mentioned in her package, he has signaled a bit more of a cooperative approach and interesting to see starting this week when Congress Comes back it continues with that approach and sell this to a lot of skeptics up on capitol hill. The skeptics is not partisan skepticism. Nine democrats up there cosponsors of bob corkers bill to make sure Congress Reviews this. You know what the problem with corkers bill its only about sanctions. My pushback to you im hearing a lot of the emotion and politics of it how he did it. Is that the right basis to evaluate this deal on how nice he was to you in the process or is it about having a better plan . No. It is about the substance. Look. That is one of the delicate balances here chris. The congress recognizes the president should be the sole voice of Foreign Policy around the globe but, at the same time, they do have the believe there is a congressional role when can comes to having these sanctions. Enforcing and ensuring that the Peoples National security is protected and a good deal is gotten instead of any deal. Richard, about senator corkers bill the legislation he is trying to pass do you think congress is meddling or a right to weigh in on the final product here . Congress has a role to play in Foreign Policy but we dont want to get into the situation the president makes a deal. Right now only a framework but working towards a deal. We dont want the president to make a deal and congress nitpick it. That wont work and has never worked in the context of diplomacy. Kevin is articulating they want to have it both ways right . This is only a framework. Its not a final deal. I would say to congress and to define kevin and others criticizing this deal lets wait and see and what is the final deal is and not squander the opportunity to make progress and make the world the entire globe a safer place. A little bit of is you reap what you sow. Now you need them right . They do have sanction power and you dont have a great relationship. It is a balance as kevin was saying. Lets listen to what the president has to say because he is now articulating what his sell is for congress. Take a listen. What ive said to them is we will not only go through all of the details of what the current framework is and provide them updates in terms of how the negotiations go going forward, but we are committed to finding a mechanism for appropriate congressional involvement and oversight. Kevin, will that assuage congresss fears . He said we will find a mechanism and include them. It will. I think rumors earlier on capitol hill the president would take the bill to the u. N. Before he would take it to congress. I think that was a different tone he took when he originally announced the framework and interesting to see if they continue with that. It is going to be a very tough job selling this up on capitol hill and its not just republicans. He is going to have to find ways to peel off democrats up on the corker bill. If he doesnt, you know, there could very well be a vetoproof majority up there if they dont work to make sure that democrats come to their side. My wife always says tone matters. Tone matters. The question for you, the easier question for kevin, but for you how big is this for the president . If this does not go his wane has to go to the p5 f1 what does that say . Not the question how big it is for the president but how big it is for all of civilization and all of humanity. The struggle to end nuclear proliferation, the struggle to keep other powers especially draining places like iran from getting Nuclear Weapons is, you know one of the most important issues of our time. So if we cant succeed diplomatically here what are the alternatives . Are we going to war with iran to try to prevent this . Everybody is against this or say they are against it they have no alternatives. No one has put forth anything. Im hopeful because i think you heard in kevins last answer a little bit of an opening. I think the president is doing the job he needs to do. I think the talk over the weekend was important. I think he and congress will come together. Kevin, richard, thanks so much. Good to see you guys. Great to be with you. Michaela . The manhunt intensifying this morning for the mastermind of that horrific massacre that claimed 147 lives on the University Campus in kenya. Authorities are revealing that one of the four gunmen was the son of a kenyan government official. This amid reports that kenya is going after al shabab. Cnns Christian Purefoy joins us with the very latest. Christian . Reporter michaela we are now getting reports that kenya are bombing at least two al shabab camps that is a fourhour drive from what im understanding in garissa. An official said this is the Ongoing Operations against al sha hob bob but it has to be said the timing is very convenient, if you like. The attack happened here and now they are bombing the camps. This is what we know so far, michaela. This morning, kenya on heightened alert. Even easter prayers shaken. Security checks outside churches. Kenyan forces on guard after the terrorist Group Al Shabab threatened quote, another bloodbath over the weekend. Relatives grieving in complete anklewish as kenyans remain on the look outfor the militant behind the garissa attack that killed nearly 150 people. The government says Muhammad Mahmoud wanted for a bounty is the mastermind and known by other aliases the former religious teacher is in somalia. According to a minute i have document given to cnn, the Al Qaedalinked militant is in charge of sternal operations against kenya. It sits on one of the fault lines in the world and largely christian atmosphere in the south and mostly Muslim Population to the north. Our forefathers bled and died for this nation and we will do everything to defend our way of life. Reporter meanwhile, Kenyas Interior Ministry identifying another attacker. An apparent homegrown terrorist aldulayi and son of a government chief somalian descent. He says his son has been missing since 2013 and saying he disappeared to somalia last year. Now one thing to bear in mind here. We used these phrases like mastermind but we have to remember that these people are using the most basic means to murder as is many people as possible. Absolutely. That cannot be lost. This is just a massacre. Nothing sfistedophisticated about it. Hillary clinton is about to announce her second bid for the white house. Cnn first reported on friday that clintons team signed a lease for a Campaign Office in brooklyn. When will her team take the field and what will it look like . Cnns senior washington correspondent jeff zellin joins us from washington with more. What do we know jeff . Reporter chris, we know the announcement is days away. Some people in her orbit think it could come next week and we are really getting more of a sense of what this campaign is going to look like. We have talked to a lot of operatives in her world and they say one thing is clear. She is going to make this campaign less about her and less about her own ambitions. Of course, remember when she got in eight years ago, she said im in and im in to win. A lot of of the use of the word i. That is not going to be the same this time around. Its a lot about voters concerns. We are told she is going to have fewer big rally and fewer large speeches and try to make her campaign a smaller campaign trying to take her message individually to voters oneonone and trying to reintroduce herself as a candidate. Of course, its an open question how someone this famous and this wellknown and edge polarizing can actually introduce herself. She doesnt necessarily have one big democratic opponent a couple of but a a lot of republican rivals trying to distinguish themselves by sort of attacking her, so she has a big re introduction phase here to work on but a couple of other things we are finding out. She is going to also not use her husband as much in early rallies. We are told he is not going to appear with her at the beginning of her gain at all. Its going to be some weeks or months away before he takes an active role in this campaign so she is really trying to send the signal that she is not inevitable that she is not looking for a coronation here and she is trying to win every vote and she is going to campaign a lot in iowa we are told a lot in New Hampshire. We are told a couple of her top or tiches operatives were visiting state last week. A lot saying she is coming out and campaigning hard for this. This is almost on the verge of an announcement. It could be this week or next week we are told at the latest. Very interest jeff. Always interesting to see how famous people can reinvent themselves. We will see had fit works. Thanks jeff. A bombshell surrounding Rolling Stone magazine. Slamming the magazine for failing to engage in quote, basic, even routine journalistic practice. Rolling stone issuing a retraction about a female student who claimed she was gang raped at the university of virginia. Rolling stone decided not to fire anyone and saying elbow the mistakes issue not intentional. Closing arguments set to begin in the Boston Marathon trial. The jury could get the case sometime today. The defense economists Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was a bomber during those attacks but claims he was acting under his brothers influence. Three people were killed and hundreds more injured and m. I. T. Police officer was killed in a subsequent shooting. If convicted, jurors will have to decide whether tsarnaev will be put to death. Comedian john oliver a funny guy but nsa leaker wasnt joking. About owning the dangerous nature of what he released seeing how some didnt redact them as careful as they should have. Take a listen. In journalism we have to accept some mistakes will be made. This is a fundamental concept of liberty. Right. But you have to own that thing. Youre giving documents with information you know could be harmful which could get out there. Yes. John oliver . He had him thinking there for a second. He also had humor, john oliver, how little Americans Care about surveillance and how they know snowden. Snowden says nobody seems to know who you are and care about this so maybe you can come back home. But he came out of it. Its interesting. Its an advantage, though. He is allowed to judge the answer as it comes across. Snowden says its going to happen. No, its not good enough. I dont like that answer. Gives him a little bit of a freedom. I was surprised by it. Ditto. Meanwhile, back to the search for the alleged mastermind in the kenya attack how should the u. S. Respond. Poisoned in paradise this entire family gets really really sick on vacation. Critical condition. You wont believe what authorities think happened. Well tell you. You cant predict the market. But at t. 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In 2008 they drove an explosives packed vehicle into a building in somalia. I think the book is starting with the data and data overload its starting with the question t. Data we had then had to do with fund raising for the somali terrorists a group we call al shabab. If we see this extent of fundraising, what is the likelihood there is recruiting in American Cities. I fault myself for this we missed a separate stream of recruiters. They were separate from the fund raisers. All of a sudden parents started coming in many city particularly minneapolis, saying wheres my kid . That kid went over to fight with al shabab. Minneapolis because there is a somali population there. People are unaware, but there is. Do you accept mr. Mudds defense . Was that not an obvious link with the link between fundraising and terrorism . How do you many is that . Thats an excellent question. I think times when a question is missed its absolutely defencible. There are so many questions asked by the Intelligence Committee you cant get everything right the flipside is do you think we should look at things like politicization. Thats a little beyond the scope of what phil is talking about, though. Let me ask you something. The reason i skipped over who is the guy behind the attack it seems like the people at the head of the snake, it isnt a snake, its a worm. You cut off the head that thing starts moving in another direction, regrowth. How important is he . Of course, you want to find him because of the hor rehe just did. Leadership how important is it . When you evaluate the terrorist groups the guys on the line are storming universitys in somalia and kenya and killing people. Then there is the leadership. When you think of threats on the United States i focus on leadership these are the people that tell someone down the line a 19yearold terrorist, your target isnt new york city. Its difficult to grow people with that vision over that time. When we were focusing intelligence effort the guys on the field can be taken care of. Its the leadership we the cia and fbi have to go over and those are the people that are targets for things like drone strikes, eliminating the head of the snake. Eliminating the head of the snake, where is this guy . How hard is he to find . And what do you do with him when you get him . I think history shows he will probably be fairly difficult. Too imse the u. S. Or one of its allies will get a good line in on intelligence and carry out a targeted strike. In fact the u. S. Had a good success in carried out targeted striets i strikes in somalia. In general, its hard to find one individual the manhunt for bin ladin took a decade t. Hunt for zawahiri afterwards demonstrates how difficult it can be for that one guy especially when he is practicing Strong Operational security. Mohammed mahmoud has responsibility he has responsibility for kenya and a reasonable complex. He definitely has a hand into kenyan society. One final thing id say, its worth understanding that sha bob is al shaba

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