While Hillary Clinton has been in hiding, donald trump is doing what leaders do. We will break the cycle. There will be no amnesty. He basically says americas going to be deportation nation, but when hes looking the leader of mexico in the eye, he cant bring himself to say it. Mexico will pay for the wall. Theyre going to pay for the wall. On day one. Announcer this is new day with chris cuomo and alison cam rottie. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your new day. Up first, donald trump laying out his latest immigration plan in a fiery speech, vowing that under a trump presidency, there will be no amnesty or path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants. But it is a tale of two trumps, a diplomatic and measured trump on display in mexico when he met with the countrys president , trump insisting that they didnt discuss who would pay for the border wall. Mexicos president says thats not true. So, lets begin in cnns sun lan severalie in washington. Donald trump returned to the tough talk we knew from his primary campaign, declaring no amnesty, calling for a wall, saying mexico will pay for that wall, but he still did not give a definitive answer about what to do with those people who are undocumented living in the u. S. Who are not criminals. There will be no amnesty. Reporter donald trump recommitting to a firedup, nomercy stance on ilLegal Immigration. For those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only, to return home and apply for reentry like everybody else under the rules of the new Legal Immigration system. Reporter the billionaire vowing to swiftly expel millions who have overstayed their visas and undocumented criminals. I am going to create a new special Deportation Task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal Illegal Immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice, okay . Maybe theyll be able to deport her. Reporter insisting he will detain and remove anyone caught crossing the border. We are going to end catchandrelease. Reporter and force other countries to take back their citizens who have been ordered to leave the u. S. There are at least 23 countries that refuse to take their people back after theyve been ordered to leave the United States. Not going to happen with me, folks. Not going to happen with me. Reporter and declaring he will block funding from the 300plus socalled sanctuary cities across the country. Cities that refuse to cooperate with federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars. Reporter but trump is not saying how he would deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u. S. Only the outoftouch media elites think the biggest problem facing American Society today, and you know this, is that there are 11 million Illegal Immigrants who dont have legal status. Reporter as for anyone who wants to live and work here to choose immigrants based on merit. Merit. Skill. And proficiency. Reporter trump says they will be up against extreme investigating. We are going to suspend the issuance of visas to anyplace where adequate screening cannot occur. Another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants that include an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people. Reporter trump also renewing his commitment to build a wall along the u. S. Border with mexico. And mexico will pay for the wall. Believe me. 100 . They dont know it yet, but theyre going to pay for the wall. Reporter hours earlier, a more measured and softer tone on display as trump met with mexican president enrique pena nieto. We did discuss the wall. We didnt discuss payment of the wall. Reporter but after trump lefthe country, president pena nieto disputes that, tweeting, from the start of the conversation, i made it clear, mexico will not pay for that wall. And the mexican president added to that in an interview late wednesday. He said that he believes some of the positions donald trump has taken are a threat to mexico. Now the clinton campaign, meantime, are responding to trumps speech, saying in part, he showed us very clearly whats at stake in this election by painting a picture of his idea of america, one in which immigrants are not welcomend one in which innocent families are torn apart. Chris . All right, appreciate it, sunlen. Joining us now with more on that speech and trumps visit to mexico is democratic Vice President ial nominee senator tim kaine from virginia. Senator, good to have you. Hey, chris. Good to be with you. So, do you think that hillary and or you should have gone to mexico . And do you think letting trump go wound up allowing him to play to advantage . You know, chris, hillary has spent time with president pena nieto, and i have been to mexico within the last 16 months as a member of the Senate Foreign relations committee. Hillarys paid many visits there. Hillary yesterday thought it was important to give a speech to the American Legion, to go to talk to that prominent Veterans Organization about the role of america in the world. So thats what she was doing while donald trump did kind of a photo op flyby, where he didnt even have the nerve at the last minute to bring up this issue about the wall. This is the central piece of his campaign, immigration and deportation, and were going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. But when he looked president pena nieto in the eye, he couldnt even bring that up. That was a choke, and i think it shows that diplomacy is not for amateurs. Donald trumps an amateur. But isnt diplomacy about the soft sell . If he had gone in there and looked at pena nieto and said youre going to pay for that wall, whether you like it or not, wouldnt you have jumped on top of him saying look how harsh he is, you cant trust him in these kind of sensitive situations . I think diplomacy is primarily about honesty and candor and standing up for the values that you believe in. So, Donald Trumps been saying for months, were going to build a wall and mexicos going to pay for it. If he really believed that, when he was sitting down with president pena nieto, why not even bring that up . Then he goes back, and then to the hometown audience, he gives this fiery speech, language of division, you know. This is the language that everybody has used against every immigrant group. No irish need apply. They used it against the irish. They used it against italians. They used it against jews from eastern europe. This is a language that theres a segment of demagogues have used. Its language of division. Were not going to be a great nation by being deportation nation. 11 Million People. Plus donald trump has said he wants to take american citizenship away from 5 million kids who have been born in this country. So lets make it 16 Million People. Were not going to be great by having a Deportation Task force to kick 16 Million People out of this country. You dont believe its a Winning Strategy on the issue, harshness aside, to say look, theyre here illegally. Theyve broken the law. You either respect the law or you dont. I think the Winning Strategy that americans want to see is a reform of the immigration system, which hasnt been reformed since 1986. And there are bipartisan principles, you know, in 2013 in the senate we did a bipartisan bill. Hillary has said in the first 100 days were going to sit down, and 30 years after the date of the last Immigration Reform under president reagan, were going to basically put these pillars in place, and the pillars will be give employers the tools to check the i. D. Status of employees, create a difficult and rigorous path for people who are willing to pay taxes, follow the law, get a background record check, to work over a period of years to earn the right to citizenship, and do Border Security. We had significant Border Security in the senate bill we passed in june of 2013. We could have been doing that now, except the Republican House refused to take up the bill or do their own bill. We need to push to do a comprehensive reform. Its not about deportation, its about a comprehensive reform that can help our economy grow and that is true to our nations values. Well, deportation will have to be a part of it, right . I mean, even under the Obama Administration youve had a record under of deportations, depending on how you yeah, prioritize the deportation of violent criminals. Thats something that we definitely think is important. And look, if youre trying to deport 16 Million People, youre not focused on the deportation of the people who are violent, who pose the most risk. We want to focus that energy on the folks who cause the greatest risk to public safety, not have these deportation squads that are going to be separating families. Its an unrealistic plan, and i think donald trump knows that its not going to work. And thats why today theres been reports that his key, many of his key hispanic advisers are now separating themselves from the campaign because of what he said last night. What about sanctuary cities . Look, i was a mayor and i was a governor. I trust the voters of communities to hold their mayors and their Police Departments responsible. When donald trump kind of goes after these phantom sanctuary cities and talks about how bad they are, basically what hes going after is Police Chiefs. And i trust Police Chiefs in terms of knowing what should be done to keep their communities safer and Police Departments and mayors a lot more than i trust donald trump. But why do you say phantom . You know that there are places that refuse to cooperate with i. C. E. And they have their assembly of Different Reasons for why they do it, but sanctuary cities are real. They exist. Theyre not phantom. And a lot of people believe that, you know, you have those people being rewarded for not working hand in hand with i. C. E. Let me give you an example from when i was governor. There was a program back then where some cities were joining in a program with i. C. E. To essentially be deputized to do the work of the immigration service. My Law Enforcement officials, who are tough Law Enforcement people, came to me and said do not do this, because if the immigrant Community Starts to sees us as immigration officials, they wont call and complain about crimes in their neighborhood, they wont be witnesses in cases. Instead what you need to do is work with the community to protect and serve them and let i. C. E. Do their job. And so, we also had a rule that when somebody was in prison or jail and their sentence was coming up, we would let i. C. E. Know about them if they werent a citizen. I. C. E. Could make the decision about whether or not they would want to take action. But the notion that you turn Police Departments against immigrant communities actually make in the eyes of most Police Officials makes the police less able to do their job to prevent crime. Let me play you some sound from trump of what he accuses your campaign of when it comes to this issue of immigration, because its getting so much attention right now. Yep. Then let me have you respond point by point. Here it is. President obama and Hillary Clinton support sanctuary cities. They support catch and release on the border. They support visa overstays. They support the release of dangerous, dangerous, dangerous criminals from detention. And they support unconstitutional executive amnesty. Now, some of those wind up folding into the concept of what sanctuary cities do, that catchandrelease concept, visa overstays, which winds up falling into that same category of when the localities pick up these cases, that they dont want to make or they dont want to be able to hold people that long without any reprieve from the federal government, and then dangerous times three, criminal detention, that those people wind up getting let go of the same way. How do you defend that proposition . Look, what we support, chris, is comprehensive Immigration Reform. And this is something that Hillary Clinton has said were going to do in the first 100 days of the administration. The basic pillars are going to be somewhat similar to the bipartisan bill that the senate did in 2013. The details will be different because were going to be working it out with the house. But we need to do a comprehensive reform after 30 years. And you know, the sad thing about this is if the house had just acted back in 2013, we could have had Border Security, we could have had help for employers, we could have had a hard and rigorous path to citizenship for those who are willing to play by the rules and pay taxes. Thats the kind of reform that the American Public wants. Thats the kind of reform that were going to deliver. And that is a huge contrast between a donald trump idea, which is the core of it is build a wall and deport millions and millions of people. I think he knows thats not going to happen. I think he was too embarrassed even to bring it up because it wouldnt pass the straight face test when he met with president pena nieto. And you know, i think hes perpetrating kind of a con and a line on people by saying this, and hes showing that he is a person who is more interested in dividing us than uniting us. But there is a way to reform our system, and were going to work to reform it in a way that is in accordance with our values. There is criticism of the campaign that you should be much farther ahead, especially after the month that trump has had. And the question then becomes why not . Certainly there are big unfavorables for Hillary Clinton at this point, about 59 . Trump is about 60 , depending on the poll. Another criticism is that youre playing his game too much, senator, that you spend a lot of time talking about trump instead of making the kind of positive case that you guys made during the convention that gave you your biggest bump so far. What do you make of that . Well, look, when we went into the conventions, it was essentially a dead heat. When we came out of the conventions and then it settled down after the bump, we feel good about where we are nationally and in the key battleground states. But youre right, its close. This is not going to be easy. And ive never for a minute, from the time i encouraged Hillary Clinton to run in april of 2014, never for a minute have i thought this was going to be smooth sailing. I thought this was going to be a tough, tough campaign, and thats why were out making the case every day. And ill say this, chris, we came right out of the convention talking about jobs, and thats what i talk about everywhere i go. The difference between a Hillary Clinton jobs plan and a donald trump jobs plan and what the independent economists who look at the two plans say about it. The clinton plan will lead to an economy thats grown by 10. 5 million jobs at the end of a first term, and a trump plan will lead to an economy that is in recession and has lost 3. 5 million jobs. And this is the moodys Economic Analysis firm that is not partisan. Its a difference between a youre hired president and a youre fired president. We do talk about the policy differences that are significant on the issues that Americans Care the most about. Why do you think that trump is getting traction out of the idea that Hillary Clinton is hiding, that you guys, yes, youre doing your rallies, but you dont do press conferences, you dont come on the media and do interviews like this as often as he and his team do. Its getting some traction, not just with us. Why do you think that is . Yeah, well, you know, whether its getting traction let me just go to it. Hillary talks to the press every day and so do i. Hillary isnt hiding. I heard in a clip before i came on, you know, one of the trump spokesperson said while Hillary Clinton was hiding, donald trump went to mexico. Hillary was talking to the American Legion yesterday one of our countrys proudest Veterans Organizations. In columbus. Is talking to the American Legion hiding . She did a press conference within the last month when she spoke to the National Organization of africanamerican and hispanic publishers where there were Mainstream Media members who are part of that press conference who asked her questions. We talk to the press every day. Were on the trail making the case every day. Now, donald trump can say whatever he wants about it, and hes going to, but were out making our case and were talking to the press while were doing it. Senator kaine, thank you for joining us on new day. Appreciate it. You bet, chris. Great to be with you, man. Always. Lets get perspective from the other side. What is trumps immigration plan exactly, and whats missing from it . A Trump Campaign adviser joins us next to break it