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CNNW New Day December 5, 2016

Illegal residence. For hazardous trash and debris and an illegal interior building structure. Friday nights electronic dance party, one of many held in the space, operating without a permit when the building quickly erupted in flames. I broke my ankle, i need you to pull me out. Reporter one survivor, an artist who used the space describes the horrifying moment he had to leave his friend behind. I wasnt able to pull him out and the fire was getting too hot and the smoke was getting too bad and i had to leave him there. Reporter officials are saying some of the victims are easily identifiable if they had their i. D. On them. Fingerprints, dental records, but others, theyre not easy to identify, so theyre asking family members to hold on to something that may have had their dna like a toothbrush or hairbrush and set it aside in a clean, paper bag. Eight of the people have been identified and we can actually show you who two of the young people were. Donna kellogg 32 years old died in the fire, as did travis hough he was 35 from oakland. Very slow going identifying people even though they know 33 people lost their lives it shows you how hot and how deadly this fire was. What a gut wrenching scene there, stephanie. Well check back with you throughout the program. We will have more on the story, including live interview with the survivor and a friend of six people who are still missing this morning. Lets turn to politics now. We are seeing a familiar pattern that has taken on a much more troubling context. The president elect reached out and had a communication with taiwan. This was very controversial, you know this. Then china responded. Now upon hearing that china was less than positive on this, donald trump has done what he has done most effectively in this campaign. He has doubled down and now has a series of tweets going after china and what chinas actions have been. Not only is this a breach of diplomatic protocol, but raises Big Questions on how the president elect will deal with international disputes. Cnns Jessica Schneider is live outside trump tower in new york with more. Jessica . Well, you know, chris, we were told this would be a quiet weekend for the president elect, but if you count twitter, it was anything but. Donald trump unleashed on saturday night First Talking about saturday night live and then turning more serious. Laying down the law on companies that might be moving overseas and then, of course, the mentions of china to which the Foreign Ministry of china responded overnight they would not speculate on Donald Trumps tweets but stressing that the relationship between the u. S. And china can only be maintained with strong principles. The president elect lashing out at china, only two days after his unprecedented phone call with the leader of taiwan. Donald trump accusing china of keeping its currency artificially low. Monetary experts say its fairly valued and decrying their military presence in the south china sea. Trump stepping up some of the tough talk from the campaign trail. They have taken our money and our manufacturing. Theyve taken everything. China is responsible for nearly half of our trade deficit. Reporter the timing of his tweets indicate the Campaign Promises could potentially become policy. Over the weekend, china lodging a formal complaint about trumps call with taiwans president. There was nothing more than taking a courtesy call, a congratulations. Reporter the Washington Post report that the call had been planned for weeks. The call carries major diplomatic risks citing the u. S. china policy which considers taiwan to be a part of china. This is the first known communication between the u. S. And taiwan since 1979. Trump also taking to twitter this weekend to threaten any business that leaves our country, warning of a whopping 35 tax on products shipped back into the country, as retribut n retribution. Trump will keep jobs in the country by slashing regulations. All this playing out as the president elect is widening his list of contenders to be secretary of state. A process starting to look more like a reality show. Have additional interviews with other candidates for secretary of state and other cabinet positions. Reporter former republican governor of ut jon huntsman now in the running and general petraeus making a case for the top post. Five years ago i made a serious mistake and i apologized for it. Reporter revealing classified information to his former mistress should not disqualify him for serving as secretary of state. I paid a very heavy price for it and ive learned from it. Top adviser Kellyanne Conway saying more interviews will continue this week for secretary of state, potential contenders. She also said its a position that demands loyalty. Of course, could that be another jab at leading contender mitt romney . Well wait and see. In the last few minutes, the Trump Transition Team announcing that donald trump will, in fact, nominate dr. Ben carson to housing and urban development. Thats the nomination we have been expecting for about the past week. Chris and alisyn . Thank you. We want to talk about something that is hard and in real time right now. Lets bring in cnn political commentator errol louis, abby philip and senior Congressional Correspondent david druker. So, lets take a look at this International Situation that is evolving around us right now. There is reporting out of the Washington Post that this call with taiwan, errol, had been set up for days weeks in advance. This becomes important because donald trump put out a tweet, if you want to put it out there. Actually a relevant tweet saying the president of taiwan called me today to wish me congratulations on winning the presidency. Thank you. The sense of this is this was spontaneous, dont make a big deal of it. It was planned in advance and such a breach in protocol and then he said it was spontaneous. That is a bad combination of facts. Mike pence making it sound like it was this breezy congra congradd congraddialatory call. You have the fact that the Trump Organization was planning to be involved in not just an economic development, but the largest in taiwan history just south of the airport. So this was something that is really, they havent gotten their story straight, lets put it that way. They havent decided how they want to spin it. What the truth of the matter was. We havent had any straight forward dealings to find out what the heck is going on. All we have are these little fragments. Thank goodness for your organization, the Washington Post, abby, who is putting some of these pieces together. If it was long planned as mr. Trumps aides to Washington Post and if he does pride on shaking up some previous relationships and some people would applaud this being shaken up. Some people in his inner circle. They like the idea of an alliance with taiwan to send a message to china. So, why doesnt he own it . Well, partly because they recognize that it is a break from u. S. Foreign policy. But we knew from the very beginning that calls between World Leaders dont happen by accident. You dont just pick up the phone when someone calls. Theres coordination between the two camps and we know now that the president of taiwan would never, according to people who know her, would never have placed a call thinking that it would not have been received. So, from the very beginning, this especially considering how they are framing it. They would ease into this. Changing the relationship between the u. S. And china is a dramatic and potentially very dangerous thing. It doesnt surprise me that they would try to test the waters, dipping their toe in with a phone call and then also, subsequently, making points about trade and tariffs that reinforce the idea that theres a new sheriff in town. So, the policy move is in one thing. I dont we dont want to jump the gun on intentionality here. Were seeing a very familiar pattern that trump says x. Druker says, no. Trump says he is an idiot. Here what are we seeing . Trump went out and did something. It was wrong. It seems weird. China comes forward and says were not happy about this. What does trump do . He goes to china. He starts tweeting. Now, that pattern may work okay with us and please his fans when he does it, but much more troubling on this scale when china is who he is deciding to push back on. If the president of the United States wants to call druke an idiot nobody is going to care. When you are dealing with china, you have to be aware. You can mess with them, but you dont want to humiliate them publicly. Couple things to break down here. One, you need to take care of the beijing, taipei relationship. To suggest he called donald trump out of the blue could cause them problems and that could be a very dicy relationship. On the other hand, if you look at u. S. chinese relations. If the United States wants tareassert itself in the pacific, particularly well, we are abandoning the Transpacific Partnership and you want them to know were not going to be as passive in the pacific as we have been building the military base islands out there. This is not a bad move if its part of a coordinated strategy. It is something that will make traditional republicans concerned about trumps Foreign Policy be very good and inviting duturte. They have been tilting towards china and you want to get these countries back in the u. S. Sphere. All these moves can work out well if they know what theyre doing and they take care to treat the chinese in a way that would work for the u. S. And not antagonize them. Enter secretary of state. That would be vitally important for somebody who understood all this stuff. Jon huntsman, his name has been floated more over the weekend. We can pull up who we think the latest list is. Rudy giuliani, mitt romney, jon huntsman and john bolton. Any way to tell, errol, whats happening here. No way to tell. Theyre floating all these names to get a lot of discussion going. I suspect they are probably down to two or three and that donald trump will make the decision pretty quickly after spreading this out and springing us all along a little bit longer. Do you think it is a distraction, abby. Secretary of state is an important but trump wants to be more isolationist. Not like he will have a new quarterback running around the world. Ben carson, yeah y like ben carson. He is a good guys and lives in public housing, he should be a hud secretary. Treasury secretary, really important. This guy is my buddy and worked at goldman sachs, lets put him in. This so methodical and so agonizing and drawn out, wheres the balance between this . I think if this were an easy decision and donald trump were rewarding his friend, we would see Rudy Giuliani in this position. Giuliani made it pretty clear, this is the job he wants. He doesnt want anything else. The fact that were not with Rudy Giuliani as secretary of state at this point tells you its a different kind of decisionmaking process for the president elect. And also for his inner circle. Folks like romney and i would actually add huntsman to that are not on the side of the loyal ledger that i think, you know, trump wants, his close advisors want. There are some problems with each and every one of these people. You dont think its something that keeps us covering it every day, every day, more names. Thats exactly what he does. He loves the drama. He knows how to work us. He also might be conflicted about the decision. He might be trying to figure out, okay, this is what i campaigned on Foreign Policy wise. Now i actually have to execute who would be better to do that. Stick around, so many more questions for you. Including this very important story. There was a fake news story and it triggered an actual armed confrontation at a washington, d. C. , pizzeria. The gunman telling the police he was there to selfinvestigate a Conspiracy Theory that he read about online. It seems this is americas new reality. Our Panel Discusses this, next. Everything your family touches sticks with them. Make sure the germs they bring home dont stick around. Use clorox disinfecting products. Because no one kills germs better than clorox. Thats why this control enthusiast rents from national. Where i can skip the counter. And choose any car in the aisle. 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Know better sleep with sleep number. All right. So, a fake election related news story also known as a lie triggered a reallife confrontation in washington, d. C. Heres what happened. A North Carolina man got arrested sunday after police say he walked into a pizzeria armed with an assault rifle. Why . He said that he was there to self investigate an online Conspiracy Theory. Joe johns is live outside that pizza shop with details. What else do we know, joe. Good morning, chris. Well, file this under what happens when fake news stories use the names of real people and places, but not real facts. Authorities say a guy named Edgar Madison welch walked into this pizza restaurant in upper northwest washington over the weekend. Its been here for years. He had a rifle in his hand. Apparently fired at least one shot, no one was injured. People apparently scattered when they saw the guy with the gun. Authorities when they sat down and interviewed welch say he admitted to them that he was here to self investigate the now notorious internet Conspiracy Theory known as pizzagate which alleges that the restaurant along with hillary clat and her Campaign Manager john podesta involved in a child sex ring. All false. He was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. No one was injured and the owner put out a statement saying this shows the consequences of what happens when people use lies on the internet. Back to you, chris and alisyn. Joe, thank you very much for all of that background. We have our panel. How to quell and squash all of this. So much fake news out there and turns out there is a consequence to fake news. A gullible person believes it. The details made up are disturbing and he shows up because hes going to do something about it. Every day we fight the good fight of trying to inject facts and truth. What . I know, we are so through the Looking Glass with this stuff. What are we to do . I dont know what we are to do. We live in an age where social media provides a lot of freedom. But it provides a platform for people to say and report with quotes around the word report. When you have in politics people stirring up or trying to motivate their supporters by playing fast and loose with facts to use the only good cliche i can think of, these are the kinds of things that eventually can happen. That is what is so dangerous. I cant tell you how many times i get a call or email from a friend who lives outside of washington, outside of new york. Actually in new york even. And theyll say, is this true . I read this. I saw this. I heard this. Is this true . And i have to go through the story and the first thing i say is where did you read it. I read it here. Yeah, not true. It doesnt even make sense. But people dont know the difference. And we still as i think human beings assume if somebody wrote it and published it, it must be sort of true because thats human nature to think that. Thats the same reason that dealers are putting their synthetic oepioids. And theres almost a legitimacy given by the title. Exactly right. The form of it looks like news. To a certain extent, this is not new. I can show you 30 years ago newsrooms that i worked in where it would draw the conspiracy the the theoryiests. By the way, you can dismiss that as bad english, i dont think it is. Speaking to his state of mind which is i dont believe. I will investigate it. Thats where he comes up with something silly like selfinvestigate. Clippings in a newspaper in a paper bag is that we have people with actual prominence disseminating this information. To me, that is the most damaging thing about this cycle. Seeing how far fake news can go and being propelled by people with status and who should know better. Like the National Security adviser Michael Flynn. Michael flynn. The candidate himself. The Campaign Manager. Let me give a little context. So, Michael Flynn has tweeted out that he has sort of fallen for some of these fake, bs stories. This one in particular. This is his son. His son Michael Flynn jr. Heres his tweet. Until pizzagate proven to be false, it will remain a story. The left seems to forget Podesta Emails and the many coincide e coincidences tied to it. Prove to me that it didnt happen. Thats not the standard that we normally use. You have to prove it did happen. Undermining truth as the foundation of how we interact with each other is really dangerous and not just dangerous for the people who happen to be on the other side of it right now. But its a risky thing for everyone to do. If you undermine

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