Campaign. Let me be clear i never had meetings with russian operatives or russian intermediaries. But defending himself amid revelations that he failed to disclose he met with russian emotions bass dor twice during president Trumps Campaign last year. I dont believe theres anything wrong with United States senator meeting with an ambassador from russia. Under oath, sessions had a different answer. I did not have communication with the russians. The attorney general admits. In retrospect i should have slowed down and said i did meet one russian officials a couple of times. And now plans to admit a supplement. My response went to the question as i indicated about the continuing surrogate relationship that i firmly denied and correctly denied. I did not mention in that time that i had met with the ambassador so i will definitely make that part of the record. Sessions first meeting last july on the side lines of the Republican National convention. Cnn obtained copies of then senators sessions expense report. It appears to reveal sessions used his Campaign Funds and not official senate funds to travel to the rnc. President trump staunchly supporting sessions. After his recusa announcement the president issuing a statement that reads in part sessions did not say anything brong. He could have stated his response more accurately. This as a Senior Administration official confirms another undisclosed meeting with the Russian Ambassador. This time between former National Security adviser Lieutenant GeneralMichael Flynn and the president s soninlaw Jared Kushner. The three meeting at trump tower in december. Describing the meeting as an inconsequential hello. Flynn was fired last month for misleading the Vice President about his discussion about sanctions. Thats come to light on the side lines of the republican convention. The Foreign Policy advisers to the campaign and ambassador and this is a guy becoming something of a man about town. You can see him here on tuesday at the point address to congress. Its unclear who invited him. Man about town. Thank you very much. Dozens say recusal is not enough. Theyre calling for resignation. Republicans are saying he should resist even calls for a special prosecutor. More on capitol hill with that part of the story. This is the big story. What happens next. They are not satisfied. They want him to resign and others are pushing for more information. Many calls for Jeff Sessions to return up here on capitol hill to explain what they say was misleading testimony under oath. For the good of the country, attorney general sessions should resign. Democrats insisting that attorney general Jeff Sessions recusal doesnt go far enough. He has proved that he is unqualified and unfit to serve in that position of trust. They are now demanding he go before the Senate Judiciary committee to face more questions about his past testimony on russia. I think he should recuse himself. Stopping sort of calling for sessions to resign. Some calling for him to step aside. Theres going to be investigations by russia that he may become a witness and i dont think he should be leading the investigati investigation. Applauding him after he did so. It doesnt say hes admitting guilt. Defending sessions. We have seen no evidence from any of these on going investigations that anybody in the Trump Campaign or the trump team was involved in any of this. All of this as a top democrat is blasting james comey for dodging questions about the bureaus investigation into russias meddling in the u. S. Election last year. In order to do our investigation in a thorough and credible way well need the fbi to fully cooperate. Democratic senators are calling for more transparency as five committees are investigating the Trump Campaigns ties to russia. The Intelligence Community has to cooperate with them on the hill. Its apparent theres a problem. Its up to mr. Comey to help solve the problem. While all of these congressional committees continue to investigate up here on capitol hill theres many that still say its just not good enough. They want the new acting attorney general to go ahead and appoint an independent special prosecutor to look at all of this. Thank you very much. Session recuses himself and hands over the investigation of the oversite to the acting deputy. Now what . Well its not clear. This has become Political Warfare for democrats that would like to see him resign. Its very difficult to prove but democrats are going to put forth some kind of select committee or some kind of 9 11 Style Commission to investigate this. I dont think that anybody is there yet. I dont think that the Republican Leadership is there yet. Who calls for a special prosecutor . A special prosecutor would be the a. G. Or deputy in charge of making the decisions if the a. G. Is accused. A select committee would be a creation of congress and you have Republican Leadership. That is a very unfair question. We have no idea where it goes next because theres all of this talk about special prosecutor but that assumes that the d. O. J. Is involved in an investigation where its getting to its proscu proscutorial phase. This is premature in terms of what we understand about where the probes stand right now so is this the right conversation to be having about will it be a special prosecutor . Will it be an independent council . Theres talk he wants to redo that statute because of problems in the past. Are we anywhere near that in in terms of reporting . Were having that conversation because what democrats are trying to do now, i spoke to a couple trying to set a really high bar for what counts in a real investigation so that as this unfolds they can continue. But theyre like five. Right and the democrats are out there saying, understandably in some ways that only under these terms would it really count as independent. Only then would we get the truth. Think how much we learned in the last month with no public investigation whatsoever but as david said the whole ball game is trying to split a couple of republicans and make it so confident for them and uncon veentd to have to deal with the daytoday that at some point they say we need to set up a special panel. Thats what is really important about yesterday is that republicans split and said this doesnt sound right. He needs to clarify what he said. Issue with Kevin Mccarthy saying that as well. That moved the ball on this and got the white house pushing now for more evidence and theyre trying to get it out. Its not legal talk. Were still in the political realm of democrats that werent able to stop any of President Trumps nominations for a meeting with all the russians. Thats a reality. Where are all of these people through june, july august having meetings and conversations. What did they say and how were they saying it and what did mr. Trump know about it. Lets put up the time line as we now know it. December 2016, Jared Kushner and Michael Flynn meet with the ambassador. We need to pull back and say whats on the table here. There was an active war committedty bithe United States with russia meddling in the election by 2016 the white house says there were contacts and meetings and the white house says no story there its all ridiculous. Now contradicting that he we have all of these meetings. Theres no evidence to suggest this were concluding on hacking the dnc. But is it typical to meet with the Russian Ambassador . It goes to the fundamental strangeness. Didnt have a candidate and then a nominee with a 20 year track record of relationship that basically voters knew where he or she stood on russian policies. Who had connections that went to the shadowy side. It turns out a lot of that wasnt true. The answer to allisons question is yes they do meet with ambassadors. And him too. He meets with a lot of people and theres a whole separate discussion that well have about who this man is and why hes still in the country but hes been calling for months he should have been thrown out. But they blew it. She did. In a group. Not individually in her office but with a group. The democrats want this to be unusual. Theyre saying this is more than just drip, drip, drip. This is hey the email scandal with Hillary Clinton was all about potential things that could have happened but didnt and this actually did happen. We were actually hacked, the russians have their fingers into the system and they all keep seeming to reach toward trump. This is real. More real than that, can they really empower that notion . They need probably a special prosecutor or select committee issuing subpoenas and getting email traces at that level of information but i think youre right. Meetings happen all the time and the key thing with Michael Flynn is he had a meeting and told apparently Vice President pence Something Different than the truth or at least not the full information. But Jeff Sessions said i had a meeting with the ambassador, that in and of itself maybe fairly benign unless essentially theyre able to catch jeff sessio sessions. They would have been out over her and their people. This idea of lets be patient, lets see it for what it is, its hard to see that after what they did. As for the reasons why its unusual and appropriate, remember at the dnc when trump comes out and says oh yeah russia i wish you would release all the rest of the emails. It never occurred they could be getting manipulated or played by the russians. Ive talked to them that say they play for keeps and trump and his team did not appear to recognize the seriousness of that then or now or in the future and thats why this say big deal. Stick around. We have much more to talk about with all of this stuff and diving into who exactly this ambassador is. Brother gregory gave us a good segway there because you have the politics and then the substance of the russia revelations. How significant is it that you have apparent connections between russia, this man on your screen and the campaign. What we dont know and what we do know, next. Chevy ireally. T awarded car Company Three years in a row. Lets see how quickly you can read through all their awards. 2017 motor trend car of the year. 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He was investigated i was ukraine for financial ties to pro Russian Party and the intrigue and some shifts within the Campaign Lead him to resign and he wound upstarting and i think to this day david he is the most pure example within the campaign of something that needs to be explained. What were the contacts initially at a time when someone certainly new to politics who very cavalierly talks about having a better relationship with russia expressing admiration for Vladimir Putin as a leader. Remember Vice President pence said during the campaign that he was the stronger leader, putin was than barrack obama. So this admiration for someone that is a tyrant, who, you know, has been linked to killing his opposition or jailing political descent, in the country so you have these initial ties that go so far beyond even the bush administration, Obama Administration wanting to have a reset in the relationship and i think that caused an initial red flag. That was just the beginning. He was the National Security adviser. The u. S. Sanctions were being leveled against moscow and then he resigned so much like miken flynn if the administration is saying nothing to see here, two of their top guys resign over it. Look, we were talking before the break about how unusual is any of this anyway, this stuff is unusual to have senior advisers to a president ial campaign that are deeply financially unmatched in russia. Apparently connected to the russian government and people that have actually given political advice to alabama lice of Vladimir Putin. Thats not something we saw four years ago. Flynn was also at a big celebration for state russian news. They would argue with that in those that work for them, at a party with Vladimir Putin where he was being hosted. Thats not on the card. Key thing is they lost the confidence of donald trump and he likes people around him who are loyal and also people that reinforce a sense of himself. They both did that in spades but it wasnt that there was a russian connection that as we know deeply troubled donald trump ethically and there were many problems going on in that campaign over the summer where donald trump lost faith. Trump doesnt like the fact that manafort would leave on friday afternoon and go out. The broader issue though is why when this campaign was being built and why when theres starting to be evidence that the russians may have been behind different acts of emails was donald trump starting to align himself so closely and call on the russians to release all of these illegally obtained emails. Patrick makes a good point. We never heard the president say anything was inappropriate. I still understand that situation. We heard this story. Its the same story we told pence at the white house. We dont think hes misleading. Im doing all of this work. And youre right if that all actually happened. You have to keep a window of doubt open from Michael Flynn that he was thrown under the bus. If you are President Trump f youre his top people you are angry that you have an Intelligence Community and a Prior Administration that is leaking this information to suggest that there was something really inappropriate about the contact and maybe collusion with meddling and manipulating in the election. Compromise them on a leak argument. This is a guy, President Trump, that in many ways, he not only leaks but also celebrated leaks throughout the entire general election. The leaks of the Hillary Clinton email campaign was so outrageous and unprecedented. When you do have, you have to fight your way in. What can i say snp. What were talking about right now is why the white house if they ever got to the point of being okay with an independent probe this is why they would get there. Theyre trying to Pass Health Care bills and do tax reform and do infrastructure and this is all theyre talking about right now. So historically, you talk to republicans now, the reason why a president goes there is so that every day Going Forward he can say this is not my problem. Go talk to the lawyer because im trying pass an infrastructure bill. Trump is nowhere near that yet but this background noise is nowhere near this background noise. I am some what fascinated by him. He is a friend to u. S. Intel officials widely regarded as a top spy yet he is in the country and meeting with various politicians including as we said the top advisers to the Trump Campaign. We had mike rogers on yesterday, former chair of the house intel. House Intel Committee that said he was summoned to the russian residence of the ambassador. He went to this big or nate ballroom and it was massive and there was one table he was asked to sit a