I think it would have been better if it were up to the states, but right now the laws are set and thats the way the laws are. You have a feeling there are a lot of laws you want to change. You talked about everything from liable to torture. The laws are set. I think its set. Quote, mr. Trump gave an accurate account of the law as it is today and made clear it must stay that way now until he is president. Then he will change the law through the judicial pointnts and allow the states to protect the unborn, unborn sno. Good morning to both of you. Good morning. I dont know if i see jeffrey, but i hear jeffrey. Earlier this week trump said women who had abortion should face some form of punishment. Now theres a shift. After a week of discussion and errol, ill start with you. Do we know what trump believes about abortion laws . Not only do we not know what he really thinks, victor, what i think is important is what i think we now know beyond a shadow of a doubt is this controversy has been going on for 43 years. Its not something donald trump has thought through very well. There are shelves in the library of the legal and medical and rhetorical implications in one stance or another when it comes to abortion. Weve heard a few in the last few days about where he ends up, and this latest version of it basically is i think him throwing up his hands acknowledging he doesnt have much of an answer and that, you know, i think weve all seen the difference of being unscripted and unprepared. This is not something donald trump every expected to talk about in any depth or length and thats what were hearing right now. Can you articulate what you think are the laws . The law is the law. He believes the judicial process that you can change the law and he also very importantly and, you know, this is a view he shares with Justice Ginsburg that roe v. Wade basically shauft the political debate in this country and therefore by doing that it sort of put a stopper in the bottle and has made this an explosive issue for what, 43 years since and that this issue should really be decided through the political process in the states and that by refusing to do that, weve made the issue worse. So that, in essence, is what hes saying. So his Campaign Communications manager says through judicial appointments hes going to change this. Right, right. I mean theres no question this is one of the reasons why you would have conservatives on the court. He also said states rights and what hes saying is the states should decide and thats what he said in 1973 before roe v. Wade and as Justice Ginsburg pointed out, that shauft the debate and basically made this a hot button issue to the detriment, she believes, to the prochoice Movement Ever since. Hes explained this in the last three or four days now. Why hasnt donald trump come prepared with a concise clear answer on his beliefs about abortion laws . I think in all candor, victor, hes a businessman. Its not like hes spent a great deal of time on this issue. But hes talked about it for quite some time. People go back to that 1999 interview with tim russert. Yeah. I mean this is an issue that frankly if youre not a politician, you dont deal with it very often. You know, you might have an opinion here or there, but you dont deal with it. Youre going to face this with anybody from the socalled, as it were Political Class who gets into politics for your the first time. This is his greatest strength. Its also on occasion correct it around i think hes doing fine. Errol, im going to come to you after this next sound bite. Another portion in face the nation with John Dickerson that will air tomorrow in which he asks him if abortion is murder. Watch this. Do you think its murder, abortion . I have my opinions on it, but id rather not comment on it. You said youre very prolife. I am very prolife. I have my opinions on it. You dont disagree with that proposition that its murder . What proposition . That abortion is murder. No, i dont disagree. He seems uncomfortable talking about it at all because hes afraid hes going to say the wrong thing to offend the wrong people. I think it ee occurred to him that having no pollsters or fill soffers and others, hell kind of going to be out at sea and there will be one uncomfortable question and exchange after another. You u can look at his face and see whats happening. Hes sort of saying can i say this, do i have a belief, and if so, can i express it. I have to say, i love jeffrey lord, i appreciate what hes doing and hope hicks whos trying to thread the needle and turn wreckage and rubble into some kind of coherent policy, but it is outrageous for a candidate who says he wants to be president of the United States is leading in the polls and is heading for the nomination of major party to say that hes going to sort of hes a businessman and he hasnt really thought about this stuff, so give him a pass. That doesnt happen. Thats just outrageous. That cannot happen. Let me ask you this, errol. Is this something that matters, though, to the trump supporters. Are they going to him primarily because of his views on social issues or do they love him because hes going to build a wall on the southern border, he says, and hes going to bring jobs back . Is this something that weakens that support at all . Ill be honest with you. I have to say. The interest and the fascination that many of us have had from trump supporters, where do they come from, why are there so many of them, are they impervious to it . I think were past that. The polls if you go state by state, theyre not budging, theyre there for a lot of comparable reasons and in facts and new information is not going to sway them. What we have known all along is theyre not a parties of the voting and its a question that frustrates a lot of your viewers but it becomes the horse race stuff about whos got the delegates, whos got the nomination, whos going to be on the ballot in november. Jeffrey, finally to you. I want to talk about this interview with fox news where donald trump had a con vversati with chris wallace. Are you ruling out running as a thirdparty candidate . Its a simple question. No, its not that simple. Im by far a frontrunner as a republican. I want to run as a republican. I will beat Hillary Clinton. If you dont get the nomination. Well have to see how i was treated. Very simple. Again, hes flirting with the idea of running as a third party. I get that. He wrote the heart of the deal. Get that. Why is he doing that again. Just a couple of days ago he tweeted about a nice meeting he had with the rnc. Why are we hearing this now . I do think when you see them out there. So much was made of donald trump signing the pledge. Then these guys are suddenly backing off. What does that tell you . Theyre not saying if they dont get the nomination, theyre going to rub and go third party. Well, no, but theyre saying they wouldnt support the nominee of the party and thats a pretty big deal. One other thing, victor. Yeah. Senator cruz does the same thing on abortion. He was asked a year ago in iowa about this. Ive seen it on cspan and he basically says he doesnt want to answer the question. He just dodges. This is what i think a lot of political people do on this issue. So im not saying necessarily its the best approach, but i honestly dont think abortion on the scale of issues in the polls that ive looked at is at the top of the list. People are much more concerned about the economy, terrorism, that sort of thing. Jeffrey lord, errol louis, good to have both of you at the start of this show this morning. Thank you. Certainly, jeffrey. Later this hour more on donald trump and what hes said about his policy news. Also, programming note, stay with cnn for the wisconsin president ial primaries. All day coverage, special coverage on tuesday right here on cnn. Were going to focus on the other side of the aisle. Bernie sanders going after Bernie Sanders and demanding an apology from Hillary Clinton. And president obama makes a comment about drones killing innocent civilians. Transgender day could now cost the state billions in aid. Thats according to a new report. Why do so many businesses rely on the Us Postal Service . 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Senior correspondent jeff zeleny has more for us here. Victor and christy you can feel the tension out here on the Democratic Campaign trail and its not just from the candidates alone. Its from their support irs as well. The mere mention of Hillary Clintons name produces loud boos. The reason, the length of this race. After clinton lost the New Hampshire primary, her campaign urged supporters not to worry because the nomination wouldnt be one in february but all but sealed in march. Now that its april, the race is hotter than ever. Hillary clinton just cant shake Bernie Sanders. This is really personal for me. Their democratic fight isnt winding down but ramping up. Sanders and his supporters keeping alive their criticism of clinton, receiving contributions from the oil and gas industry. This with the Climate Change activists going viral. I am so sick. I am so sick of the Sanders Campaign office lying about this. It ushered an we doff rising frustration from Bernie Sanders. The Clinton Sanders called it a distinction without a difference. If people receive money from lobbyists of the industry, i think youre receiving money from the industry. These are not just a little worker there. These are lobbyists who represent the oil and gas company. Today in new york clinton struck back saying sanders isnt pro business. I just go crazy when i hear senator sanders and the Tea Party Republicans rail against it like its some kind of evil, you know, presence. The democratic rivals are also tang ling over abortion. Clinton accusing sanders of not properly denouncing donald trump. Bernie sanders agreed Donald Trumps comments were shameful and then he said they were a distraction from, and i quote, from the serious issues facing america. Sanders cried foul. What secretary clinton did is take things out of it. I am 100 prochoice. The Clinton Campaign once assuming the contest would be all over by now as Campaign Manager robbie mook noted in this memo. The nomination will likely be in march, not february. Sanders is fighting hard on clintons turf in new york. He drew 18,000 supporters last night to rally in the bronx. My father came to this country at the age of 17 from poland without a nickel in his pocket. Sanders is well behind in the delegate race but money is keeping him in the game. His Campaign Says it raised 44 million in march, fortifying it for the final two months of the long democratic primary. Lets take this fight to the white house. For Bernie Sanders to take this to the white house, he needs to keep winning and winning big. His first target is wisconsin. Hes out there today and campaigning there all weekend long. Now a top clinton adviser told me they believe wisconsin is basically out of reach. Thats why theyre focusing so much time and attention on new york, but judge big the size of some of these sanders crowds, the popular streak is alive and well. Thats why the Clinton Campaign has taken it so seriously. They know a loss would up end this race like nothing else could. Victor and christi . Thank you so much, jeff. Lets talk about this further. Ladies, its so good to have both of you here. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I want to start with you first, please. According to fact check. Org, secretary clinton has received six times the donations in the oil and gas industry so is sanders correct in what hes saying . Does she owe him an apology. No, i dont believ she owes him an apology at all. So mass Bernie Sanders received money from people who work in the fossil and fuel industry. Look. Hillary clinton is in an extremely strong position in this nomination fight. Shes not only leading in the popular vote. She has 2. 5 million more votes than Bernie Sanders. She also has an almost insur mountable delegate lead than Bernie Sanders. Bernie has to win very big all of the states coming up and on facing that steep hurdle, facing that steep hill to climb. I think hes getting a little frustrated and is going after Hillary Clinton personally. Look. The implication of his attack that hillary is taking money from the fossil fuel industry is that hillary can be bought or sold. Thats just not true. I mean her record she has a very strong record. She has a very strong record with renewable energy. So i think he, if anything, Bernie Sanders owes her an apology. You wrote up a question nomiki, i saw you shaking your head, i want to get to that. According to a report by the federal Election Commission, Hillary Clinton has received 307,000 and Bernie Sanders has received 53,000. Is he injennous when hes also taking money. Does he expect to give some money back . Hillary clinton has received 307,000 from industry lobbyists. There are industry lobbyists. There are 57 of them on behalf of the oil gansd industry who have bundled collectively. 11 of them have bundled over 11 million from the super pac. Her super pac alone has received 4. 5 million which is not in those discloser. If you want to look at the kachl pain, sure. Shes received 300,000 from industry lobbyists while Bernie Sanders has received 50,000 from people who work in oil companies, every kaye workers, accountants, people on the field. The federal Election Commission doesnt specify that. They specify pac contributions and individuals giving more than 200. Right. When you look at the super pacs, theres a authentic called bundling. Those employees, those affiliated with them, have gone out and bundled over 11 million each. We all know how campaigns can raise money sneakily and unfortunately theyre not able to disclose a lot of these things because of Citizens United. I understand democrats need to compete with republicans as they raise money in these shadowy groups, but if theyre going to take on Citizens United and big interests, you cant accept money. With all due respect, she doesnt owe him she owes him an apology. He doesnt owe her one. Shes the one who denied this. She said she didnt receive any money from him. I want to move ahead. Clearly we saw frustration from her when she was asked that question this week, patty, and im wondering. Were not seeing her as much in wisconsin. Obviously shes focusing on new york. Is there any indication that there is real concern in the clinton camp about the straights Bernie Sanders seems to be making . 44 million that hes raised and 16 or 18,000 people at a rally in the bronx yesterday. Why is she essentially skipping wisconsin it seems . Well, look. Demographically wisconsin is right in Bernie Sanders wheelhouse. It is predominantly white. Democrats in wisconsin are predominantly progressive. This is a state that favors him. Polls right now show hes four or fuehrer points ahead. Hes likely going to win wisconsin. Will he win by the 20 points or 30 points that he needs to win in order to move forward and take, you know beat hillarys delegate lead . I dont know about that. Then they move to new york. Hillary clinton was elected twice in new york statewide. She lives in new york with her husband. Her daughter lives in new york. Shes got very strong relationships in new york. She has always supported new york state, and i think new york state is going to support her, and i think she will win new york. I dont think the camp