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CNNW New Day Saturday July 21, 2018

Trump. The tape confirms a yearlong affair with President Trump. The team denied the affair and knowledge of payment. Now theyre saying they didnt know about the payment until learning about it in the recorded conversation. At the same time while state and Defense Department leaders are defending the putin visit to washington, moscow putting its own spin on what happened at that oneonone meeting in helsinki. Cnn has teams covering the story around the world. Senior International Correspondent sam kiley and sarah westwood. Sarah is near the opinipresiden golf club. Good morning. Reporter good morning. President trump is back in the headlines for his dealings during the campaign. Michael cohen, his longtime lawyer and fixer again making trouble for trump thanks to a newly unearthed recording that is in possession of the fbi. On the tape cohen and trump can be heard discussing the prospect of making a payment to karen mcdougal, the former playboy model, alleged to have an affair with President Trump long before he took office. Ultimately, mcdougal signed a contract with american media, inc. Ami owns the National Enquirer and other publications and whose ceo is a personal friend of President Trumps. Rudy giuliani, President Trumps attorney, has downplayed that agreement between ami and mcdougal, describing it as nothing more than a nondisclosure agreement and saying that trump and cohen were discussing that deal on the brief tape. This is obviously troublesome for the white house, not only because President Trump and his team have previously denied that President Trump had knowledge of that deal between mcdougal and ami, but because there are apparently other recordings that cohen made of his former client, President Trump, that are in possession of the fbi. And while trumps team is trying to downplay the significance of those other recordings, it does raise questions about what else cohen might have inadvertently provided to the fbi, as well as how much President Trump did know about the deal that ultimately silenced mcdougal. Sarah westwood in berkeley heights. Thank you very much. Senior International Correspondent sam kiley is live for us in moscow now. Sam, good morning to you. Help us understand what the russians are saying about the summit. Reporter lets go back to the beginning and look at how they characterized it coming out with sergei lavrov, the Russian Foreign minister, calling it magnificent and better than super. Talk about a positive spin, that was a reaction that could be imagined had world peace been declared, particularly coming from his, statesmanlike at his most effusive. After that the russians tried to take control of the narrative as washington started to question the behave and relationship between the two president s suggesting that there had been unspecified really cooperation on broad security matters, notably in terms of terrorism, no great controversy there necessarily. And then cyber, highly controversial idea given that it is cyber hacking that is alleged to have affected the American Election and has affected other european political processes. Then recently in the last 48 hours, theres been suggestions coming from the russian side that a deal was in the making over syria, the repatriation of Syrian Refugees back into syrian territory. Again, potentially setting up a friction inside washington because, of course, the washington position in terms of the administration is that there will be no repatriation into areas controlled by the assad regime which, of course, is backed by russia. And then another suggestion the last 24 hours that theres been some kind of potential, bloombergs been reporting, an agreement to at least think about having a referendum in eastern ukraine. Again, anathema completely to the United States officially and her allies with a suggestion that donald trump might be considering to keep it quiet. Thats been rejected by the white house, but its all about the russians controlling the narrative. Almost appearing to do the Public Relations on behalf of donald trump to suggest that something substantive was discussed. But all coming really from an entirely russian perspective. Makes you wonder if the white house is going to be forced to Say Something else, something otherwise. Appreciate you being here. Thank you. Lets start there. Joining me errol lewis, cnn political commenttor and anchor for spectrum news. Michael moore, former district for the district of georgia, and National Military analyst. Welcome to you all. Errol, let me start with you where sam left off there. Russia is controlling the narrative here about the potential fruits of the summit in helsinki when the president s team doesnt fully know what was discussed or agreed to. Yeah, it is startling to hear the director of national intelligence, dan coates, say hes not entirely clear what went on during those two hours. To not have been briefed, to not be aware of it. Another wrinkle, by the way, is that u. S. Intelligence agencies, if theyre doing their job diligently, are going to try and hack and crack the secrets of the russian side, and they may learn indirectly what theyre saying internally in the kremlin about what went on in that meeting. Theyll end up hearing through russia what their own commander in chief was talking about, putting the intelligence agencies in a tricky situation. This is part of why the unorthodox style of the president which so many of his supporters like has its downsides. It can create a lot of confusion and people working across purposes. Rebecca, i read your notes to my producers. It seems that you think that the summit in helsinki was a win for the president. I think it was important for trump and putin to meet. Heres my longtime concern about russia their economy is the size of canadas. Russias on a slow downward spiral, nuclear weapons. Im in favor of trump and putin continuing to talk about nuclear arms and, honestly, we need their caption Going Forward with north korea. I their discussions Going Forward with north korea. What do you think about the proposed summit in washington in the fall . I am in favor of putin coming to washington. Remember, he visited kennebunkport with the bushes in 2007. Of course, that was before what went on in ukraine. He visited versailles and france last year. Again, this is a longterm strategic problem. Russia is a borderline failed state. We have to find a way for our American Security long term to deal with that potential threat. Its unpleasant dealing with putin, but im in favor of trump continuing to talk about ukraine, syria, and especially nuclear weapons. Even in the midst of the midterm elections after more than two dozen russians have been indicted in an interference campaign, an attack on the u. S. , that the Intelligence Community says that putin directed . We shouldnt expect putin to back off. Hes going to continue with the propaganda and interference like he does in so many countries. Homeland security is helping us secure our elections. The talks should go ahead. Its risky, but if putin is showing signs that hes willing to talk about some of the Longterm Nuclear arms agreements, inf, space, missile defenses, and new start, i dont want to lose the opportunity. Negotiations take a long time. Took seven years to conclude the inf treaty. Lets get talks started and keep them going even if its during the election cycle. Willing to talk, but will he bring things to fruition . Michael, sources tell cnn the president s legal team, that they are a bit concerned about the president as a sympathetic figure moving forward in the context of the Mueller Investigation. Hes calling it a witch hunt, a rigged investigation, after his performance in helsinki. Justified . I think so. This has not been a good week for the president. Any time you wrap up the week with i recording that you had a discussion with your lawyer that theres perhaps some type of improper activity now recorded on tape, its another thing in the avalanche of events that is happening to attack the credibility of the president and this administration. I think thats the fear the team has Going Forward. You have sort of a sympathetic trump whos there fawning over putin in helsinki, and now were talking about what he may have known or done in the election and whether or not that played in, whether or not there was outside influence there. Its not been a good week. I think their concerns are justified. At some point, hes going to have to stand up. I disagree with rebecca on this. Sometimes not having the nations numberone enemy in washington is not just a signal to that leader but also a signal to our allies and friends that we take the threat seriously. And there are ways to have talks at a lower level rather than bringing putin to the palace, if you will. Errol, let me bring that to you. Republicans and democrats on the hill have said that putin will not be welcome there, he will not be welcome at the capitol. There will be no joint address to the house and senate. Will they go a step further . I mean, this is another iteration of, well, i wouldnt have said it the way the president would have said it. Will they take it a step further more than saying he cant come to the senate . Its startling. We know that polls suggest that the Republican Base likes what the president did in helsinki. Theyre okay with that. To the extent that congress reflects the wishes of their voters, theyre going to feel the same way. Members are starting to step forward. There was an rnc retreat recently, and folks are stepping forward and saying they like what happened. That, you know, maybe its not so bad. That the russian president , i would call him a dictator, but the russian dictator is welcome, and what and that we should have conversations with him. The cross purposes are startling. In this same week we have the department of defense saying 200 million will be allocated for ukraine to fight off the russian separatists, the prorussian separatists. Its really remarkable that we cant get one story and stick to it about where this country stands with regard to the russian dictator, his interference with our elections, global attacks on human rights. Hard to imagine that we would have reached this point. I dont expect the congressional leadership to resolve it any time soon. You brought up ukraine, and rebecca, you said its a good thing that this be reintegrated into the world economy, and even welcomed back to the g7, making the g8. And of course russia was expelled after the illegal annexation of crimea. What about the consequence for violating ukraines sovereignty . If you welcome them back, bygones are bygones, and you move out without consequence for that. Right. Back into the Global Economy long term is my point. Im glad to see the lethal aid to ukraine something that the Obama Administration didnt do, that includes antitank weapons. We do a lot of nonlethal aid, and we have u. S. Forces teaching combat life saving and things. Ukraine sovereignty is very important. Trump is all in favor of that. My point is long term, russias downward economic spiral is a threat to global stability and all the 37 have to think about g7 have to think whabout wha to do over time. Isnt it true that you cant agree to sovereignty after the 1994 agreement . I agree. Annexation of ukraine, as jim mattis says, was a mistake. We see shifting pieces on the chessboard, and russias potential economic instability could be a great threat over time especially given their nuclear weapons. I want to see us continue to talk and for the g7 to think about what we have to do in the long term. Lets not make it easy on putin. This is a mess of their own making. Lets not forget that that economic instability in russia is a potential threat. Michael, how does or how could the Mueller Investigation impact the potential for this next meeting . I mean, lets remember what happened on monday. The president of russia who our Intelligence Community said directed the campaign, the attack on u. S. Democracy, more than two dozen russians have been indicted in that investigation. Met with the president who is not the target of the investigation, the subject potentially of the investigation. One on one alone. Right. Is there some way that the Mueller Investigation could impact the ability of the president to have that meeting sometime in the fall . Well, there are a number of things happening now. Youve got the political side of it and the National Security side, but youve also got the criminal case or investigation going on. And there will be some move by the president s legal team to limit what he says, who he meets with, his availability. That could impact any discussion as it goes forward with putin. Now theyre trying to make a decision i believe about whether or not the president will ultimately give some testimony or give an interview to the mueller team. Those discussions that hes had with putin, could that come up . Why dont we know what happened in the private meeting . If they have a second private meeting or if one is planned, i think thats sort of the cold water that might get put on plans for a second summit. Its in play, but one side may be criminal, investigatory and the other is political, trying to balance the two is the problem theyre in now. Michael moore, errol lewis, rebecca grant, thank you all. Thank you. Still ahead, the trial is set to Begin Next Week against President Trumps former Campaign Chairman, Paul Manafort. The charges he faces and what we can expect to hear. Plus, a doctor in houston shot and killed while riding his bike to work. Coming up, the message from his most prominent patient, former president george h. W. Bush. Finally, i said, lord, just let me die. Let me die. A mother reliving the moment she lost her three children in that deadly duck boat accident in missouri. The fateful decision that she says may have cost her children and their family their lives. Thats confident. But its not kayak confident. Kayak searches hundreds of travel and Airline Sites to find the best flight for me. So im more than confident. Hows your family . Kayak. Search one and done. Booking a flight doesnt have to be expensive. Just go to priceline. Its the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40 . Just tap and go. For the best savings on flights, go to priceline. This morning all 17 victims in the missouri duck boat crash have been identified. A team from the ntsb says it could take a year to release a report on what happened. Last night the Community Held a memorial near Table Rock Lake near branson for the victims. This morning, a woman who lost nine family members nine says the decision to try and beat an approaching storm may have cost her relatives their lives. Frances lynne from kolr has the story. Reporter a duck boat tour usually travels on wind and water. Tia coleman said she was told the tour will go on the water excursion first because of the incoming storm. She describes the captain taking over when they reached the lake. Once he takes over, theres a big, huge wave choppy, everybody start getting like, hey, this is a little bit too much. Then it got really choppy, big swells of water started coming into the boat. Then a huge wave swept over. When the wave swept over, the last thing i heard my sisterinlaw yell was grab the baby. Reporter thats when the boat started sinking. My head pushed up to the top of the water, and i lost control. I couldnt see anybody. I know it wasnt, but it felt like i struggled for it felt like i struggled for at least an hour. It was probably like ten minutes. I remember i kept sinking, kept sinking. Reporter she was drowning and describes the water as being very cold. I started floating. I was floating to the top. I felt the water temperature raise, to warm. As i felt the temperature raise, i jumped up and saw the big boat that sits out there. I dont know what kind of boat it is, huge, though. Reporter it was a rescue boat with people throwing life jackets into the water. Reporter i said, jesus, please keep me, keep me so i can get to my children. Keep me, lord. I was swimming as fast as i could. Then i couldnt reach i could not reach the life jackets. Reporter she had to swim to the rescue boat. I swam to the boat, and i was holding on for my my legs and arms were heavy from trying. They were so heavy. It was so heavy. Reporter she was transferred to the cox Health Hospital and is still in the process of recovering. Coleman told me about the tense family members she was with, starting with her sisterinlaw. She was there with her 13yearold, her soontobe 3yearold. I was there with my husband and our three children who were 9, 7, and 1. My inlaws were there, my motherinlaw and my fatherinlaw, and the uncle who lives with them. Reporter she also told me there were life jackets on board. They told us, theyre up here. This is where they are. They showed us where they were. They said, but dont worry about it, you wont need it. We said, okay. So when the captain took over, i thought that at some point he would say grab the jackets now. But we were told to stay seated. And everybody stayed seat. Nobody nobody grabbed it when that boat is found, all though life jackets are going to be on there. Nobody took one off. You dont you werent supposed to grab them unless you were in distress, which we were, but he told us dont, we dont need them. It was i dont know what to say. It was definitely, definitely life changing. Lif

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