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CNNW New Day Weekend With Victor Blackwell And Christi Paul October 27, 2019

Isis leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi is believed to have ben killed in a raid. A u. S. Official says ago baghdadi detonated a suicide vest during the operation. President trump is expected to make an earlier announcement earlier. He tweeted something very big has just happened. Someone that wont tell you the truth. If you do i believe hell be impeached. This is cnn breaking news. A u. S. Military raid in northwest syria. Sources say he detonated a suicide vest as u. S. Special forces closed in. We are told his location was based on cia intelligence but we have going to have wait for dna analysis to wait and confirm that it is, indeed, ago baghdadi who died. He has been in hiding five years and declared the isis calca caliphate in 2014. Last night, President Trump tweeted, quote, something very big has happened, unquote. Some show part of the raid targeting al baghdadi. Cnn cannot confirm the authenticity of this video but here it is. A witness in syria described two helicopters and war planes and gunfire an hour last night. This day time video is from iraqi state tv and shows the aftermath of the raiders in Northern Syria that is believed to have led to the demonstrating of the i shortstsis leader. We have this covered from all angles. We start with initiation p nick. Isis is not like al qaeda. A lot of individuals who are radicalized over the web. So what kind of impact does his death have . Reporter it certainly ends a chapter and this is an overnight ideally. Let me tell you more about what we know has happened so far today. Still awaiting official confirmation from the white house. The signs are from hearing eyewitnesses and seeing that social media video that some sort of ground elements, u. S. Special forces ground element moved in it seems towards this village that is close to the turkish border. A firefight ensured. We hear the eyewitnesses listened to heavy gunfire and heavy explosions that laughsted about an hour. Its unclear whether or not baghdadi, if it is confirmed it was him, was traveling in a convoy and moved to a house or how this unfolded. But clearly a substantial incursion of u. S. Special forces. One of the allied of the United States, the kurds lost over 10,000 of their sons and daughters and their chief stepped forward and they supplied intelligence what they refer to as historic operation here and that complicates matters with americas relationship with turkey. They are saying they were confirmed of this raid prior to it occurring. Possibly in a stronghold of a group that is a rival to isis. Isis waiting. Al qaeda still strong in this province near the turkish border. These are the discussions people have as they learn more details over time. Here is a look at al baghdadis life and what it meant and where his death leads us. His face in publicly only once and even then in the presence of a small number. This is the moment friday prayers in mosul and abub bakr ago baghdadi chose to reveal himself. Yet, before the infamy of this pulpit, he spent a decade rising quietly. A ph. D. Student said to like football, these pentagon records show his capture by u. S. Forces in 2004 near fallujah, his hometown and held for years as a civilian internee at u. S. Camp buka. One expert who knew him said he turned. Translator al baghdadi was not cruel but wanted to fight the americans. He went to a school where he met foreigners and some iraqis who filled his head with such ideas. Reporter the man in charge of the camp mur mmur saying see you in new york. I look at those words in a different context right now. Reporter then there is silence. A long stretch in the shadows of iraqs savage civil war before hitting the al qaeda sanctions list in june 2011. Here he led the Islamic State of iraq in iraq whose previously another leader was killed. Then a magnet of the blood th s thirst. Even al qaeda disowned it leading to the Extremist Group to split in february 2014 and much later to show the groups fighters breaking the borders of vienna iraq declaring caliphate. Baghdadi claiming direct lineage from the prophet mohamed. This was baghdadis moment. The pinnacle of years of calculation and isis rose fast. Then can the attack on an occupation of mosul . The atrocities against the people there and the beheadings of western hostages and procedure of khoubani and all of these baghdadi isnt visible, yet doubtless a key Decision Maker but one of the more testifyiving thing about the isis he helped create is not its obsession of murder but harnessing of social media to create a global franchise amongst people it often never met. In libya people were attracted to isis brand to commit atrocities and each die from it. But in november 2014 rumors a strike hitting him and within a week and recording of his speech. [ speaking in Foreign Language ] reporter it became a partner. No public appearances mixed with audio statements and u. S. Officials told cnn they believe he was injured in may 2017 had to take five months away from his leadership duties yet from that moment on wards what is left of isis caliphate collapse inside on itself. Mosul freed from their grip in july and in october. Isis reduced to a tiny sliver of land on the border and idea infectious, hateful and full of insanity yet now without its figure head a man willing to lead his followers to death but only from the shadows. So what is the death of the author of isis ideology mean for the group itself . Its a substantial blow, obviously, deep symbolic and what isis was all about and certainly if youre looking to find a way of slowing the projection of that technology horror through social media, killing the man who fermented that to inspire it is a way of slowing that down but like the soviet union the death of their leader, but continue of elements continue to spread over social media because its more a virus online, frankly. There may be cells of isis waiting for a moment like this to attack. That is speculation but you cannot take away from the fact that this was a man who came up with the idea, who brought people together and encourage ideology and appears to be no more. How extraordinarily potent this u. S. Operation has been. U. S. Has a melissay track record, frankly, in the last decade or so in the middle east here, but this undoubtedly even as critics will say is an extraordinary victory over the past two or three days and u. S. Forces on a backward foot posture pulling out of northEastern Syria but because of the incursion of turkey green lighted by the white house now it appears or the syrian kurds are saying they assisted with the u. S. Still going after achieving their main goal in the fight against i six the death of al baghdadi and they see parts of their operation collapse around them they managed to achieve this absolutely seminole task. A key moment for President Donald Trump who has long shall we say have a patchy relationship with the Intelligence Community because of allegations of interference of russia in the 2016 flex . Here he owes probably one of the most substantial victories of his achievement to the first term to that community. Very interesting contrast. Nick paton walsh, thank you for your insights. Ryan brown we would like to bring him in. We are told the raid was carried out by special operation commandos is. What else have we learned about this . We are told this special operations raid was came about, in part, because of the Central Intelligence agency, the cia through a very complex collection effort was able to identify a target that they believed was al baghdadi leading to the u. S. Military launching its special Operations Forces into this area of northwest syria. Its important to note that this is a very challenging area to operate in. The u. S. Military actually is mostly in Eastern Syria. In western syria, you have a range of dangerous actors. You have various armed militia groups and many associated with al qaeda and Regime Forces and Russian Forces and turkish forces. The u. S. Would have had to have very high confidence that baghdadi was there to launch this risky military operation deep into this dangerous area, very far from where the u. S. Military presence is. As nick mentioned, the u. S. Is pulling back from other areas in syria as we speak makie ining t more complex operation. An official telling us is the pullsback of u. S. Troops would make this difficult in the future and why the u. S. Military needs to keep some presence on the ground despite President Trumps desires to pull u. S. Forces out of syria entirely, something he seems to be in the process of reversing but, again, a very complex operation, a very risky operation that seemed to have been success. Now we are being told during the operation that al baghdadi detonated an explosive possible suicide vest in the hopes to avoid being captured. Again, showing how high risk this was the moving parts as they launch this very, very risky operation deep into enemy territory. Ryan, what are you learning specifically about a presence on the ground there . Reports of that . The u. S. Military has long said it needs troops on the ground to help develop these kind of targets, gather intelligence, work with local forces like the syrian democratics forces. Without that presence on the ground, we are told this operation could have never happened. As the president is pulling u. S. Forces out, if that withdrawal had happened, its not too far of a stretch to say this kind of operation would have been impossible to launch would the some kind of u. S. Military presence in syria. Those in the administration and pentagon advocating for some kind of u. S. Military operation will point that the u. S. Military needs a foot precipitate in syria in the future. Ryan brown, great reporting for us today. Thank you. You bet. I want to bring in cnn correspondent Kristen Holmes as well. We are expecting to hear from the president around 9 00 a. M. This morning. Any indication of what he is going to say about this . Reporter well, look. White house officials are being cagey about that and this is not really a surprise. With an announcement of this size and magnitude they wants the words to come from President Trump, from the commander in chief. We have likely learn whether he signed off on this military raid and when he learned about it and was he watching it unfold last night . Those are Big Questions here. Last night, President Trump tweet youing out a cryptic message saying something very big has just happened leaving a lot of people speculating what it could be. I want to make one thing very clear here. If this is confirmed, this will be a big win for President Trump. This is coming at a time in which his Foreign Policy has been called into question, not just by democrats but by members of his own party, particularly about withdrawing u. S. Troops from syria, troops who were conducting Counterterrorism Missions in the region. So a capture of this size, this huge manhunt, this would be viewed as a win by the Trump Administration and President Trump, himself, particularly given the timing of all of this. I want to mention something nick said but stress it again. A lot of these republicans were slamming the president saying we were leaving the kurds to die and they were being massacred. Then you have this raid, this potential death, if confirmed. Then you have a general of the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Forces saying they were working with the whi, working with the United States military to achieve this sharing intel so this is looking very good for President Trump which is likely why we are not hearing from white house officials framing this. They want the president to deliver the message himself. Another thing that is interesting as you point out the president would have probably given advance notice, at least permission to the military, possibly a week out. That means the president knew this was going to happen or had at least good sense even as he is being blasted by both members of his own party, as well as democrats how he was handling the situation in syria. Yeah. That is very interesting. Look who was slamming him. Senator Lindsey Graham and Mitch Mcconnell youre looking at. People in the past, particular senator graham he has talked to Foreign Policy about. Likely he was keeping this very close to the vest, even though the people that he was consulting or has in the past consulted on Foreign Policy were slamming him out in the public. So its very interesting to see these dip namics at play here and how this unfolded. Was this a lastminute decision . We know there was time for a setup but its going to be interesting to see how the president lays this out and what his republican allies who were critical of him have to say about this. Of course, something we may never know. Thank you. The white house is lashing out also at President Trumps former chief of staff john kelly. Kelly says that he warned President Trump he might face impeachment if kelly was replaced with, quote unquote, a yes man. Coming up the blistering response the white house gave kelly. 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Kurdish fights with the the isis leader has been in hiding five years and we are told that locating him was based on cia intelligence, dna analysis. Now we will have to confirm whether it is, in fact, al baghdadi. President trump is expected to make a major announcement about Foreign Policy in a News Conference that is expected later this morning. We want to turn to Cnn International correspondent ben wedeman. He has spoken with dozens of captured isis fighters along with their families. Ben, we are wondering this morning, what does the death of al baghdadi signify, if its confirmed, and how it impacts isis overall . Reporter its a major defeat for the terrorist organization. I remember being in baghdad a few years ago when isis was on the edges of the city. A time back in 2014 when it seemed that isis was unstoppable. Now we see that just earlier this year, they lost their final bit of treerritory and now they have lost their leader. It is a serious blow but not a death blow for this organization. They still operate or their affiliates are operating in west africa, in libya and in iraq and syria and in afghanistan in the philippines. They are certainly, in no sense, out of the game. Its also important to keep in mind that the torture chambers and dungeons d s damascus and rh and cairo recruit organizations like al qaeda and isis, keep that in mind that many of the Police States in the middle east the common template is for the generals, the dictators to create a situation where the populous has a choice either side with the police state, the dictatorship, or your only other option because of the political middle has been eliminated, exiled or jailed or executed. The other is the extremist or the regime. Therefore, there is still fertile territory, Fertile Ground for groups like isis to come back. Martin . Let me ask you this, ben. A lot of americans will equate this to the death of Osama Bin Laden and al qaeda. They are not the same here, are they . Reporter no. Bm Osama Bin Laden was a wellknown figure to the 1980s when he led the socalled group in the fight against afghanistan. He remained a

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