Calling attention to it . But then if you can turn it into a 2020 issue that you were attacked and they are trying to take this presidency away from you unfairly can you garner support and sympathy from your base that energizes them the way were seeing the democrats energize. I think thats what the president and his campaign will turn this. William barr and what hes doing is a little bit confusing for everybody. I think people want to hear more from him but he doesnt appear to want to come back to congress to talk. Abby, you say the attorney general is doing this you think because he has to. Yeah, i think President Trump has made it very clear what he wants to happen over at the Justice Department. He wanted an attorney general who looked further into where this investigation came from. The president has been repeating ad nauseam that he believes that the real crimes were committed by the democrats and i think that given that he fired his former attorney general Jeff Sessions and hired bill barr to replace him, he is looking for in barr someone who can figure that part of it out. I think thats very clear to bill barr. And given how early it is in his tenure and the fact that barr this is in some ways the very first thing barr is doing outside of releasing the Mueller Report, it is a sign that even barr believes that this is critical to his tenure in this particular job, but i think on the other hand to shawnas point, the president is viewing this as a tool that he can use going into 2020. Its part of a pattern of the president and his allies to turn the tables on the democrats. They believe that, you know, its almost as if they were investigated after 2016 and now they need to make sure that their political opponents are investigated as well. Its part of whats motivating Rudy Giuliani to try to go after joe biden and ties to ukraine. These are all part of the same efforts on the part of the president and his allies to turn the table on democrats in a way that they think is similar to the way that they have been gone after in their view as a result of this mueller investigation. David, it sounds like at the moment bill barr in choosing this u. S. Attorney from connecticut has chosen a straight shooter, somebody who at least at this moment on paper is seen as a career prosecutor, has worked for democrats and republicans, has done his job faithfully under eric holder, janet reno, et cetera. But, you know, strange things happen sometimes when people begin getting into the trump orbit. How do you see it . Well, barr himself is an example of that. He has basically signaled that he is going to take his cues from the white house on all of these matters. This is just the latest of that. So the country really needs a straight shooter here, someone who is not going to allow themselves to be used as part of a larger political project. I agree with what everyone has said previously here, this is central to the president s narrative that this whole investigation was a politically motivated probe, that it was orchestrated by democrats, that it was predicated on the socalled steele dossier, none of which has been borne out by the reporting we have seen so far, but it is a real thing in right wing media and out of the white house and out of the president s tweets and barr has shown again that hes willing to accommodate the president , which is a real concern for the rule of law in this country and the traditional role of the attorney general as the attorney for the people of the United States, not as a functionary for the president. All right. Lets talk about some 2020 news, if we can, because i think there were a lot of interesting developments overnight. One of them was that congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez was appearing at an event with senator Bernie Sanders and they were talking about the green new deal, which is their effort to battle Climate Change, and representative cortez was responding directly to some comments that were reported by reuters the other day about joe biden. Joe biden, the former Vice President , is going to give a speech about Climate Change soon, this month, we think, but an adviser to biden suggested that he was looking for some kind of middle ground on the issue of Climate Change. You can see the headline from reuters, we just put it up right there, the Biden Campaign has since backed up and said not middle ground, wait until you hear our plan, but this was something that the congresswoman really jumped on last night. Listen. I will be damned if the same politicians who refuse to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a middle the middle of the road approach to save our lives. That is too much for me. So, david, let me go in reverse order here. I will start with you. Its interesting to hear the congresswoman come out so directly, that was a direct comment, i feel, about joe biden there and it seemed to be a warning to me about more than just Climate Change for this campaign. Absolutely. This is a surrogate, john, for a larger battle that were going to see between the antiestablishment left and more traditional politicians of whom biden is representative. Biden represents a center left approach to government that, you know, focuses on compromise, that focuses on moving the ball forward, you know, what the critics on the left would call incrementalism and aoc is all about the other argument, she is reportedly considering both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren who are much more antiestablishment in their approach to politics. This is a fundamental fissure in the Democratic Party and biden is squarely on one side of the line, sanders squarely on the other. Its a debate we saw unfold in the 2016 race. It is likely to unfold again in 2020 and aoc will be someone everybody is watching because she is sort of captured the imagination of the media as a spokesperson for that point of view. Shawna, what does that look like . If a centerist lets just say hypothetically wins the primary, then what do the people who are more left leaning do to that candidate . I mean, i have a hard time believing that alexandria ocasiocortez if joe biden were to win the primary and thats a big if, there are a lot of people in this race and we have a lot of time, would not then support joe biden against President Trump. I also think as much energy as she has in washington, d. C. And as much as we Pay Attention to her, especially in the press, im not sure any of my teams that have been to iowa for Vice News Tonight have had anyone mention what aoc thinks about anybody. So im not saying shes not important and im not saying she shouldnt use her voice for what she believes. I am saying that i dont know if joe biden needs to calibrate his entire Campaign Based on alexandria ocasiocortez. Go ahead, abby. I think that thats exactly right. That there is this phenomenon in which the most vocal forces on the left are setting the agenda in the media, setting the agenda on social media, setting the agenda among activists, which is actually quite important, but the person who actually comes out of this primary has to run a campaign that can garner millions and millions and millions of votes of people who simply arent voting based on what aoc is saying. I think that joe biden probably needs to recognize that if he doesnt already, and i think the fact that theres a lot of attention on, you know, activism on Climate Change and its a major force for fundraising in the Democratic Party, but joe biden has also shown that he can fund raise. He can get what he needs to get in and in his ability to compete with these more grassroots candidates like warren and Bernie Sanders. So i think biden is coming from somewhat of a position of strength, probably to the surprise of a lot of people, and i think that he cant get bogged down in a media narrative or even a kind of activist narrative because this is ultimately about what voters want and we need to kind of wait and see how that shapes up over the next several months. And, john, its not just in the its not just in the general election, its also true that for all of the for all the sense that the Democratic Party has drifted left and so on, half the democrats describe themselves as moderate or conservative. You go to last week there was a poll in New Hampshire, 58 of the voters in New Hampshire were independent voters, can participate, described themselves as moderate or conservative. Joe biden was getting 45 of that vote. You know, he has a lane here and he has it theres some competition for it, but hes really dominating his lane in this primary. I dont think hes going to veer very far left here to accommodate aoc. Lets talk about beto orourke, if we can, because beto orourke is talking about the beto orourke campaign. He went on with Rachel Maddow last night basically saying there is a little bit of a reset just a couple months after announcing his candidacy. Lets listen. Weve been on the road now for eight weeks, traveling to over 15 states, have held more than 150 town halls, running today the same way that we started, but i recognize i can do a better job also of talking to a national audience, beyond the town halls that were having. Its the but there in the middle, shawna, i think that matters but i recognize i need to do a better job talking with a national audience. The thing is he did ignite this fire from texas and i am from texas and i went to a couple of events for coverage and things like that, but running against senator ted cruz, which a lot of people just personally dont like in the state of texas is very different than a national race. And i think he is starting to realize what that actually like what he has to actually do to win this thing. I realize with rachel he is talking a little bit about recalibrating, but you only kind of get one chance to make a First Impression and i know that is a tried and true old thing that everybody says, but thats true. Especially if you have 22 people and i guess Steve Bullock getting in as well so we may be up to 23 people getting in the race. Can you recapture that energy in texas in those first few moments out . I dont know. Like we said, we have a long time to go, but the First Impression we all got was he stands on tables and doesnt have a lot of policy positions, and one of the things that you can say about Elizabeth Warren is maybe there doesnt seem to be as much press or Energy Around her, but every time you go back to someone like that you get to say, hey, shes got a policy position on this, shes got a policy position on this. So you keep having something to come back to, with beto orourke we dont know what were coming back to yet. David, very quickly, you are the strategist. Its early days, can he get a reset right now . I think he may be undervalued stock because he can make connections with people, visceral connections that you see in a state like iowa is very important. The question is can he beef up the other side of his profile. Certainly by the time the debates happen. Hes got a shot here to come back. These things are full of replete with come back stories, these president ial races, people who are written off in the spring and end up being something more than we thought in the fall. But hes got a lot of work to do, as he said in that interview. All right. David, abby, shawna, thank you all very much. Great discussion. All right. President trumps trade war is causing major real life consequences for American Business owners. So we will talk with one ceo who says the tariffs are already hurting his company. Thats next. Hey alright, lets get going and you want to make sure to aim it. Im aiming it. Ohhhhhhh i ordered it for everyone. [laughing] dad vo we got the biggest subaru to help bring our family together. Im just resting my eyes. dad vo even though were generations apart. What a day. I just love those kids. avo presenting the allnew threerow subaru ascent. Wave to grandma, everybody. avo love is now bigger than ever. Or Psoriatic Arthritis, Little Things can be a big deal. 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We did manufacturing also. Our Company Started importing bicycles in 1958, i joined the company after college in 1972 and we started manufacturing bicycles in 1979 and we did it for 12 years. Your plan was to continue growing the company as it has been, but whats the impediment . We stopped manufacturing in 91. We have never stopped importing bicycles, it was always a supplement, a dual strategy, but when we started our plan was that we would start by doing puree sem blee, assembly, we installed an expensive and modern painting system, all made in the United States, actually, made in indiana and the idea was we would then at the next step paint the frames but as the next step we would buy the steel from overseas, we would weld it as the next step and then after that we would buy American Steel. But what im getting at is why cant you hire more workers as you had hoped . Well, a lot of things happened. When the first round of steel tariffs occurred the concept was it was a great idea, but the concept was that this would encourage more competition and more american manufacturers. Instead what happened when the tariffs of 25 went on steel, all the American Steel makers raised their prices. So it would make us less competitive so weve continued to use the imported frames that were buying from china. I mean, what i think the reason i think you have such an interesting perspective is because, as you say, your family has been in the bicycle industry for a long time. 1907 is when my grandfather owned a bicycle shop on division street in new york city. Have you ever seen anything like the climate that youre experiencing right now . This is very difficult. I mean, its a tough business that we are in, but now we never know what our cost is going to be, even the tariffs we dont know whether they are going to go to 25 or they are going to stay there or theyre going to go back to zero. 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