Allegations and acostas future. Joe biden told chris cuomo that senator Kamala Harris her attack on her husband at the first debate came as a surprise. Both jill and joe biden are opening up about their sons health struggle. We want to bring in joey jackson here, our cnn legal analyst to help us understand whats going on in the Jeffrey Epstein case. First, sarah, lets talk about the politics of all of this. Can alex acosta survive this now that we know he decided to do this sweetheart deal so beyond all possible doubt what others would say would be applicable in a case of a sex offender with this amount of victims. And in the plea deal he didnt even alert the victims. Thats one of the egregious things. Do you think he politically survives this . First of all, and this is great testament to journalism in general, we wouldnt know about all this but for a lot of work of journalists behind the scenes. Its interesting. Yes, nancy pelosi came out last night on him for him to resign, but so far none of the democrats have said so one way or the other. Which is frankly, probably not a very smart political move. I think voters are kind of sick of that game but thats the d. C. Game at this point, maybe. Theres so many levels to this. One of the emis the legal side to it with the explicit criticism from the current justice department, the u. S. Attorneys office, the Southern District of new york on alex acosta whos in the cabinet, david, and just the fact Jeffrey Epstein whos charged with sex trafficking is someone who the president of the United States knows and was friendly with, someone who the former president of the United States, bill clinton, knows and was friendly with and traveled with. Really an extraordinary reach to this case. Yeah, i mean its seedy. Those connections, the quote from President Trump, cringeworthy, talking about how epstein liked women, beautiful women on the younger side and certainly liked his social life as he told new york magazine. And now youve got a sitting cabinet member whos attracting a lot of unwanted publicity for the president. He may ultimately cut the ties even if acosta stands by what he did, the deal he made under those circumstances. It is worth pointing out this was known, he was vetted. He was vetded by the senate. As we discussed last hour, senator tim kaine of virginia asked him about the deal. It makes it look like a horrible deal for someone rich and powerful who could get off. Its sickening. And that will have it be looked at. Itll be curious now how secretary acosta addresses that and whether he stands firm on it. Hell get the president s support for doing just that because weve seen the president back people who take a strong stand. With this number of victims, their age, with just the scope of what the allegations against epstein were, the charges against him, a plea deal like this . The simple answer is no. Lets be clear what this is. This is just frs the rich and powerful and then theres justice for the people who dont have the power to get justice. We think in the interest of justice there are conditions you can meet and satisfy and we can hold it in the debate. But in the context of how all that happens it does not, does not happen when you have 36 people who where there are allegations there as heinous as these are and carry as much time as they do. So clearly there had to be Something Else that was amiss. And i dont think its a mystery public corruption was investigating this case based upon how did the sweetheart deal come about . But its the normal cost of events when you go in and negotiate with prosecutors you talk about whats reasonable. We know what the law says, what the conduct is. And the law said, i think, correct me if im wrong, 45 years to life in prison. Thats what would have been reasonable. Whether that sentence would have been reasonable is another question. I think what you have to look to is what is the maximum exposure. And ive never seen an instance where youre luking at life in prison, where you get a deferred sentence and then you get to go out and work and earn an income. Any double jeopardy issue here . Its sort of the defense epsteins team is putting forward here. I think theres another defense. Double jeopardy i think youre going to have for a very significant reason. There was no adjudication of the matter. He bunt tried, convicted, it was deferred. To that extent you can exhume it, and you have other chargess that potentially werent mixed up in this. I do see perhaps a contractual argument. To what extent should he have relied upon an agreement from the government saying were not going forward. Lets move onto what President Trump is thinking about, whats on his mind this morning, and sarah, that is what should happen to the ambassador the British Ambassador to the u. S. It was exposed, revealed that he said some unflattering things about President Trump in these confidential cables that he sent back to his home office. His job is to send his unvarnished assessment what he is seeing, whichever country hes in. Thats usually what ambassadors are supposed to do, but somehow these cables were leaked, maybe they were hacked. We dont know the back story of who leaked these or how they became public but now President Trump is basically declaring him that the u. S. Will no longer work with him. Is this also how it was supposed to unfold . Well, what an interesting few years and weve seen so many of these National Security leaks really undermine some of the relationships between the strong allies. You see the u. K. Stand biing bye ambassador for now. Youre going to find that diplomatically countries are going to have a find a new way to communicate, protect against leaks or youre not going to have ambassadors writing their true thoughts in these cables. One, were hearing from london this morning, the british Prime Minister is standing by the ambassador, which im sure hes wellknown in social circles and been there for some time, and also the president is going directly after him on twitter this morning, calling him the whacky ambassador that the u. K. Foisted upon the United States, is not someone we are thrilled with, a very stupid guy. Thats the president of the United States speaking about the British Ambassador to the United States. And theres a question, david, about whether he was disinvited to a dinner last night. Theres a question whether or not ambassador derek will be disinvited to a white house event today with ivanka trump where he was expected to attend. Its so shortsighted. Fine, you can be offended if youre a president. But this is where President Trump acts like hes in some tabloid war in new York Real Estate circles or social circles instead of thinking about the presidency himself which is bigger than him. He has to worry about his representative, the United States governments representatives all over the world, their ability to give unvarnished feedback to the United States government and have that be free flowing. The question of leaks is very important and concerning. And the reality is that the president is making this a deal. The government is going to be in transition anyway, there could be a new ambassador, maybe not. But the relationship is so much bigger than this. The u. K. s ambassador to washington is important and here to for as played an Important Role as someone who not just speaks for the government, has strong relationships within washington, both on capitol hill and in the executive branch. But our relationship with the u. K. Is also base said on the head of state going and dealing with each other at that level. So thats not going to be broke mchb but, again, the president needs to protect his ambassadors around the world from this kind of response by a foreign leader. Standby if you will because up next jill biden, the wife of former Vice President joe biden, talks about the political attacks targeting her husband. I think we knew this was going to be a little bit tougher, probably kamala was a bit of a surprise. We have new sound from chris cuomos exclusive interview with the bidens next. Will match it. Need a few more reasons to switch . 1. Do you like netflix . Sure you do. Thats why its on us. 2. Unlimited data. Use as much as you want, when you want. 3. No surprises on your bill. Taxes and fees included. So, if you have a discount, bring it to tmobile. Well match it and give you great benefits. For people as experienced as you and me, all that experience should be worth something. 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So weve been in what, two months and things feel good. Biggest surprise for you so far . The Biggest Surprise i think was the debate. You know, i think probably kamala was a little bit of a surprise. I think thats the Biggest Surprise so far. Different position for you, fighting from the front, right . Youve been an underdog pretty much your whole career. Youve achieved Amazing Things but what surprises you about fighting from the front . Well, i knew whoever is in the front would have a target on their back. And i knew that was occurring. But what surprised me was the response of people out in the street, the people that mow matter where i am theres enthusiasm on all the talks about the hits and the res, but i keep having endorsement of endorsement. The governor of connecticut endorsed me, the leading africanamerican person here not here but waterloo endorsed me. The mayor of atlanta. I know sis a marathon, and i try to focus on just my feeling, whats happening in the street, whats happening when i go out. And its been its been gratifying. You know, ive been surprised not about the attacks but ive been surprised at the intensity sometimes of the attacks. It makes you second guess yourself . No, it doesnt. It makes me decide this race is about the future. And we can depot back and pick everybodys record apart. You take it out of context because no one knows the context at the moment. It just surprised me a little bit, some of the stuff thats come out in terms of the attack lines. But im not going to go there, and im just going to try to look, barack said it best in another context, you dont want to perform a circular firing squad. The only person that wins is the president of the United States. The. Did you think that joe biden had had an amazing run and that was it in 2016 . Did you think that was it . I did. And i think joe thought that as well. But, you know, once this president was elected people started coming up and to us and saying, you know, joe has to run, he has to run. And then charlottesville occurred and it sort of got louder, and jill, you have to tell joe you have to run. What did that do to you . How did you process that emotionally . I have always said i thought joe would be the best president and ive always supported him. And i know where his heart is. I know his values, and i think hes in such direct contrast to what we have now with President Trump. And so as i started to think about it and i our family did, i said you know what, its the right decision. Why is it worth it as someone who grew up in politics . You know whats going to be done to him. On his best day, at his best running at 105 you know what its going to be like and thats just the primary. Let alone a general election against one of the most fearsome politicians weve seen. Why is it worth it . Its worth it because its going to change the lives of so many americans. I mean, look what joe can do on education, on cleemt change, on foreign policy. I mean everything that hes worked so hard for. And that makes it all worth it. You said at a rally ayou want to talk big ideas, im going to cure cancer. Did you mean it that way . I did. What i meant was and ive said all along we can fundamentally change the face of cancer and i think well be able to cure every cancer. Were curing cancers now, chris. But the thing is we are devoted to that notion and theres so much think about what we can do in this country if we take the resources that are being wasted now and spend it on significant research, on cancer, alzheimers, on diabetes, on so many things. Ive been sitting down with the the government can actually rally enormous support it just seems to me, chris, i think you know me. Ive never been more optimistic in my life about the possibilities of this country. Why . Were so divided. The fact of the matter is were in a better position, our politics is broken but the public is not broken. The point of the matter is that theres so many opportunities. Weve led by the example of our power, all these years. Were in a position where we have the capacity to do so much, the greatest Research Universities in the world more than all the rest of the world combined. What bugs me, what bothers me is theres one big roadblock. And im not being mellow dramatic. Its donald trump, donald trump. And what hes done is everything everybody has done when they try to break down the barriers. Haz trying to divide us every day on race, ethnicity across the board. Thats the only way you can stay in power and it has to stop, chris. Because, look, if we cant bring it together were in real trouble. Americans want us to be united. We were just at a rally in iowa, and everyone at the rally were saying we have to work together, we have to solve these problems. We have to solve them together. One fight at a time, thats the general election. It seems the fundamental tension now is joe biden the right fit for this party at this time . Theyre coming at you notten policy but the way you discuss policy, the phrases you use, that you are not in step with their lingo let alone where they want to go. Well, let me tell you i think im more in step with the lingo than any of them. I was asked to go in 24 states, campaign through 69 candidates. You remember i got criticized for saying i want to take on the house of representatives, we took them on in issues of health care. Half of it my dad would say is showing up, making the case. The idea somehow weve decided our system doesnt work anywhere, i heard some of them saying were going to pack the courts, im going to do what trump did, you know, im going to go in there by executive order, what are we talking ability . Look, this is the fourth of july, man. Were celebrating what a gup of revolutionary folks did. 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