We should remind mr. Navarro that the cdc is a federal agency, part of the administration. The cdc director is an appointed position and dr. Robert redfield was appointed by president donald trump. The official went on to say this administration has shown time and time again that they have a problem with science, adding we are giving them science and they dont seem to want it. You mentioned this at the top, john, this comes as we report growing tension amid the cdc and the white house, particularly dr. Deborah birx who has had a problem and raised concerns within White House Task force meetings with the data and submitted by the cdc. Were told since the beginning, the white house and the cdc have been on two different pages and here we are stretching into the tenth week of the response, john and alisyn, and seems that tension and that sour relationship is only getting worse. John, alisyn . Nick, thank you very much for all of that. We will speak about it for the next hour. Thank you. Lets get right to the breaking news on the possible progress on a vaccine. Lets begin with cnn chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta and dr. Ashish jha. The news being reported this morning, moderna, the drug company is moving into phase two of the vaccine, meaning that phase one went well enough that theyre making progress. You talked to the folks at moderna yesterday so what do you know . Yes, so they just released a press release as well about the phase one day pa, very early but if it holds up, very encouraging as well. Theres two major points here. When youre doing these vaccine trials, the first phase is really to look for safety, and so far, the safety data does look pretty good. Again, they have to analyze that, but they also looked into trying to figure out in response to these vaccines were people developing antibodies, a term that people have come to know but basically its the bodys response to a virus, and they want to make sure the antibodies, which could fight the virus later on, were, in fact, being produced when given this vaccine, and the answer is yes, at least in this early, these early results. Not only were antibodies being produced, but as you increased the dose of the vaccine, you were producing more antibodies, and these are the type of antibodies known as neutralizing antibodies, so what that means is you take some virus, you take some of the antibodies, put them in a test tune together, do the antibodies neutralize the virus, and the answer again was yes. So this is encouraging, very early data. We knew they were going to phase two. There still has to be a phase three after this, so theres a process here that still needs to unfold, but you know, we didnt get bad news at this point. We didnt get the answer that this doesnt work. Its not eliciting a response. The news so far is good. Well keep a close eye on it. This is with eight participants in a study, eight people. Its small, but its exactly what you want to see, among those eight participants producing the neutralizing antibodies at the level with which they did, and dr. Gentlemjha, moderna says theyll advance to phase three by july, thats widespread vaccine testing. What does that tell you . Yes, so i want to just excuse me, good morning, i want to agree with sanjay first that this is good news and while we should be cautious, because there have been plenty of cases in history where we have not been able to get from here all the way to end product, this is everything im seeing so far makes me optimistic. In terms of if they can enter into phase three by july, again, the goal of getting to a vaccine by early next year i think becomes more realistic so fingers crossed this is headed in the right direction. Sanjay, i want to ask you about another story that got my attention over the weekend, these 13 sailors on board the uss Theodore Roosevelt so first it was five, then eight were added, now a total is 13, they came down with coronavirus as did many of their shipmates. They then isolated for two weeks. So they had symptoms, they isolated for two weeks, they had no more symptoms, they tested negative. They then developed symptoms again and tested positive. What does that mean . When you hear that, obviously that gets a lot of peoples attention. The thinking is you might be able to get coronavirus twice but what do you, from your medical perspective, hear there . Well, im going to go out on a limb a little bit here. Were hearing a lot of backandforth on this over the last few months. Heres what i think, and again, im going out on a limb, but i think once youre exposed to the infection, the chances are you develop some antibodies and you do have some protection. I dont know how long that protection lasts, how strong it is but from everything we know about how the body works, once you have the exposure, as we were talking about with the vaccine even, once you have the exposure you develop antibodies. I would find it very hard to believe that the sailors were reinfected. I dont know exactly what happened here. Did they have false negative tests at some point . Are they finding remnants of the virus that arent actually the virus itself when they test again and get a positive result . I dont know how to explain it exactly, but it doesnt make sense that they would get reinfected in that short duration of a time. I cant say that for sure. Im trying to say these things with a lot of humility because theyre all learning as we go along. From everything ive done, ive been a doc for a long time, im curious what ashish thinks as well it doesnt make sense reinfection is the explanation here. Dr. Jha . Im with sanjay. Im pretty skeptical these sailors got reinfected. Again, theres a lot here we dont know and we should be humble, but everything weve seen from all the experiences in east asia and europe is that once you get it and once you truly clear t you should be good to go for a while. Is that 12 months . 18 months . Six months . We dont know. Im guessing theres an explanation here thats not about people getting reinfected. I wonder if we can, put up the map of the United States which has become this quilt that were looking at every day about where cases are rising, the number of new cases going up and where theyre dropping. Its a third, a third, a third. In 18 states the number of cases, new cases are dropping. In 15 its steady, in 17 theyre going up, and sanjay, one of the states we are looking at most closely this morning is texas, where they had their single biggest spike in new cases over the weekend. There may be reasons for that. It may be because theyre testing more, may be because theyre testing more around meat packing plants in amarillo where these cases have known to come out, but what does this tell you . I think they are doing more directed testing and i think its going to be this thing where the numbers are going to be harder to interpret because you test more, you will find more, and were increasing testing. I think, you know, the way that i look at it is that the virus is still out there. It is still circulating. I wish it werent, but it is, and as people start to come in closer contact with each other, especially in situations like, you know, bars or close quarters like that, the virus will spread. Thats going to happen. When exactly we will see the reflection of that in the numbers, when we know that between the time of exposure to the time of testing, can take some time, it takes longer if people are hospitalized. Most wont be, thankfully, and then the death counts these tragic death counts that could be weeks away, but i hate to be the guy to say this. No one likes to say this but the numbers will go up in response to reopening. They will. I dont know when. They will happen. They may be less of an impact in some places compared to others, depending on density and depending on whether people actually despite the fact they can go out do go out. Because States Reopen doesnt mean that everyone is back out like they were back to normal in december of last year, but the numbers will go up. Dr. Jha, whats your take on that . Obviously we are right now embarking on a new experiment. Weve never been here before, so 48 states as of today are reopening in some form, and i understand everything that sanjay has taught us. There will be a honeymoon period where for a while it will seem great and there wont be new cases and then it stands to reason that well see in some places a spike up again. However, hasnt the virus been eradicated from some communities . Havent some towns cleared all their cases, and if people go out there, are they safe . Yes, so i think what were going to see is a lot of variation. There are going to be states to be it carefully that have adequate testing that i think will be able to keep their caseloads throw. Other states where i think wed be more worried. They have a lot of cases, they may be rising and may not have enough testing given their caseload. I dont know in any community has eliminated the virus. We know the virus is circulating, even if a certain town or lets say a state doesnt have it now, people are going to travel, people going from town to town, county to county, state to state and the virus will get reintroduced. We have to remain vigilant and let data drive our decisionmaking and right now, the data is concerning in some places and other places its more reassuring. Its interesting. You look at the states, theres a lot of noise in states like texas and georgia and iowa, numbers going uhm and down. There are a couple states where its not noisy, where its crystal clear. If you look at new york and new jersey, its abundantly clear that the daily trend of new cases is going down, and fairly remarkably down, sanjay, and these are still the states obviously, and im not saying that everywhere in the country needs to be as restrictive as new york and new jersey, but you see the direct impact of the policies in place here. Yes, i think thats right, john. I think overall we may need to widen the aperture overall an our time scale. I mean, we understandably follow this day to day. Sometimes these things are mesh usualed in weeks and months,. T we have evidence the stayathome orders work. Most people probably realize that by now. There was a study over the weekend in Health Affairs that showed that had the stayathome orders not gone into place, there probably would have been tens of millions of more people who had become infected. So we know that it works. We see the trends, as you point out. Id like to see 14day downward trends as was suggested by these gating criteria, and as dr. Jha was talking about, testing in place. We know case counts will go up as you start to reopen. Quickly identify and quickly isolating, preventing them from going into exponential growth is the key. Youre right, john, there is evidence now. Dr. Gupta, dr. Jha, i feel healthier just talking to you in the morning, so thanks so much for being with us. 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The president s firing of Steve Linnick is the latest. Gordan hettel is a former Inspector General of the department of defense under president bush and president obama. Good morning, john. Good to be here. Help us understand what happened. What do you make of this wave of dismissals from President Trump and his apparent disregard for the very institution of Inspector General . Well, john, this president claims to understand value, and yet over and over consistently has underestimated the value of so many of our fine government agencies. Now he is attacking our inspectors general. When the Inspector General act was passed in 1978, it was passed for the express purpose of addressing a situation just like the one that we are currently in. The thing that is astounding me is the fact that the law requires that the president has to show cause, but it didnt anticipate that he simply would say he had lost confidence, but whats even more astounding is that the very people who created this organization, the inspectors general, the United States senate who confirms igs is amazingly silent right now. Its absolutely difficult to understand. Now, as far as whats happening right now, i mean, the president now he fired michael atkinson. Hes now announced his intention to fire steve lennick. He demoted kristy grimm at hhs for expressing concerns about the lack of necessary resources to address this coronavirus, and then glen fein. Hes probably one of the finest, most capable, highly qualified inspectors general in the business. Hes in defense right now. Hes been acting Inspector General for several years, at least four years, i would say, and i will tell you something. You just dont get rid of an Inspector General at defense and then expect to bring someone in, unless they are extremely well qualified. Its a difficult job. What does it tell you or what alarm bells does it set off that the president seems to want to do away with people in this position . Well, its very simple. He does not want to hear the truth. Inspectors general were created to provide transparency and to do it in a way that is absolutely independent of politics. And when these inspectors general speak the truth, they are basically being told by this administration we do not want toe hear it. If you do speak out, youre going to be admonished and in these cases fired. This president , unfortunately, doesnt want to hear the truth, and you know, its really ironic because the president talks about clearing the swamp, but in fact, the only people in washington, d. C. , who have been doing is that are our inspectors general. Its an irony. Whats the impact of undermining this position . Its very serious. Theres a point where these kinds of actions by the president i mean, look, it has taken over 40 years to develop an Inspector General community that is fearless and courageous and theyre willing to do the right things, and theyre people of great character. They have steadfast determination to do the right things, but now they have received the message, if you act in a way that i do not like or that i think that youre embarrassing me, youre going to be fired. Now, what that does, i dont want to say its irreparable for years to come but in the immediate future, the next two to three years, this is going to be irreparable consequences. Takes time to rebuild. President trump may be out of office, but the impact of these actions are going to last for some time. You said you were disappointed in how congress has reacted to this. Whats your explanation for why congress isnt saying more about this . I think there is basically a fear, that the fear that the president will attack them. Its a fear that this could hurt their chances in some cases for reelecti reelection, and its their desire to stick together, i suppose, but look, they werent elected to stick together. They were elected to do the right things, and thats what they did under the leadership, by the way, of john glenn, back in 1978, when they passed this act. They said unanimously, were not going to put up with a president any more who does the kinds of things that are unconstitutional, illegal, and not in the best interests of the american people. Do you think its within the scope of the law for the president to be dismissing in this way . Theres an issue of what he can do and what he should do. Theres an issue of law versus norms here, correct . Yes. The law says that the president , if he decides to fire an Inspector General, has to give the congress 30 days notice and has to give cause. When the law said cause, the senators who passed that and the other members of congress who passed that law, they were not anticipating that a president would simply say, ive lost confidence. No, they were anticipating that a president would explain why. What did this Inspector General do that is so egregious . This president has not done this. Now, that is the fault of the law to some extent, because the law is vague. It simply says give cause, but i can already tell you that theres a lot of conversation right now within the Inspector General community and on the hill that this law needs to be clarified. Gordon heddell, we appreciate your time with us and sharing us your vast experience on this issue. Thank you so much. Youre welcome, john. Thank you and good morning. Texas has announced a new reopening phase today, after seeing its biggest oneday spike in new cases over the weekend. The mayor of dallas joins us next. Texas Governor Greg Abbott is expected