Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is new day. Its thursday, july 9th, 6 00 here in new york. Coronavirus cases hovering around record highs in the United States. We saw Record Numbers of deaths or near records in california and texas. And overnight, dr. Anthony fauci said states seeing the biggest spikes should seriously consider shutting down. This is not what the president wants to hear and it seems he might even be trying to prevent it from being said at all. Dr. Fauci was sidelined for a Coronavirus Task force briefing. The president is openly clashing with the countrys top medical minds, with the help of millions of children, teachers, and families on the line. Hes now threatening to withhold money from schools if they dont reopen and demanding the cdc rewrite its sciencebased guidelines for reopening schools, because those guidelines are too tough. There are more than 3 million confirmed cases of coronavirus nationwide. This morning, 33 states are seeing spikes in cases. Only three states this morning are declining. In order to reopen, that number is supposed to be 50. Some of the hardesthit states are reporting alarming Positivity Rates. And hospitalizations in california are up 44 in two weeks. Health care workers across the country are again facing those shortages in protective gear like masks, gloves, and gowns. Lets begin our coverage with cnns rosa flores. She is live at a testing site in miami. What are you seeing, rosa . Reporter alisyn, good morning. Well, 33 states are showing upward trends this morning. In texas, wednesday. 98 people died. That is a record for the lone star state. In california, one of the first states to impose restrictions is now seeing the situation worsen there with both infection and hospitalization rates increasing. Hospitalizations also an issue in arizona. Er visits are hitting about 2,000. Now, the recommendation from dr. Fauci is very simple. For those states having issues, shut down. I think any state that is having a serious problem, that state should seriously look at shutting down. Its not for me to see, because each state is different. New york did what, you know, i was in multiple conversations with Governor Cuomo and with nairm de blasio. And those are the things that we discussed. They did it and it worked. It worked for them. Reporter now, the Positivity Rates in three states are alarming. Take a look. In the state of arizona, 28 . In texas, 26 . In florida, 19 . Heres the reality here in the state of florida. Just yesterday, 10,000 new cases were reported here in Miamidade County where i am. The Positivity Rate is 28 . Thats an increase from yesterday from 27 . When it comes to hospitalizations in the past 13 days, theyre up 70 . Icu units, 84 . And ventilators, 116 . Despite all of that information, the state of florida is requiring schools to reopen with inperson instruction in the fall. Now, we checked with two superintendents yesterday, both here in miamidade and in broward counties, and they say that so long as these two counties are in phase i, they are not going to reopen for inperson instruction. Now, alisyn, yesterday, in palm beach, the School Board Members there had a meeting, theyre talking about virtual schools, according to the superintendents twitter, theyre going to make a decision on july 15th. Alisyn . And rosa, well be talking to one of those School Superintendents later in the program, so people should stick around for that. Thank you very much. President trump is demanding that Public Schools reopen next month, despite the surge in cases in most of these states, across the country. If they refuse, he is threatening to cut their funding. Cnns joe johns is live at the white house with more. What do we know, joe . Good morning, alisyn. As the president continues to push for the United States to reopen, we have more staggering numbers to report this morning. 58,601 new cases. And as the pandemic situation worsens in some states, the white house Coronavirus Task force announcing that it will fall in line with the president s demands for it to relax its recommendations on the safe reopening of schools. President trumps push to reopen schools is going against the advice of some of his own Top Health Officials and as coronavirus cases surge in at least 33 states. Were finding out that learning by computer is not as good as learning in the classroom. We want to learn in the classroom, so our schools we want them open in the fall. Reporter the president complained about the cdcs guidance on a safe return to inperson learning this fall in a tweet, writing, theyre very tough and expensive, and theyre asking schools to do very impractical things. Hours later, the Vice President made this announcement. The president said today, we just dont want the guidance to be too tough. And thats the reason why next week, the cdc is going to be issuing a new set of tools. Reporter some of the cdcs current suggestions include wearing face coverings, keeping desks 6 feet apart in classes, and closing communal spaces, like playgrounds and lunchrooms. Trump comparing the u. S. To European Countries that are allowing schools to open, like germany, denmark, norway, and sweden, ignoring the recent record highs in new cases here while those countries continue to see lows. Cdc director dr. Robert redfield both defending and downplaying his own guidelines. We want to make it very clear that what is not the intent of cdcs guidelines is to be used as a rational to keep schools closed. Remember, its guidance, its not requirements. Reporter pence also making this claim. Were actually seeing early indications of a percent of positive testing flattening in arizona and florida and texas. Reporter but the Positivity Rates of all three states have been steadily increasing since june and are currently well above 10 . Even with pressure from the white house, statement leaders say theyll only open schools when its safe to do so. Im not sending kids and our Education Workforce into our schools unless its safe. Its that simple. Were listening to scientists. Not threats, not politicians. Reporter meantime, dr. Anthony fauci telling the wall street journal that Public Health and Economic Freedom dont have to be at odds. We shouldnt think of it as one against the other. Because once you start thinking theres Public Health and then theres the economy opening, it looks like theyre opposing forces. So what were trying to do is to get the Public Health message, if heard and implemented, be actually a gateway to facilitate opening in an easier way. Dr. Anthony fauci attended the Task Force Meeting on wednesday remotely. He did not attend the briefing that followed. He and the president have been at odds over the messaging in the pandemic. The president himself has not attended one of those meetings since april. Alisyn, back to you. And optically, seeing dr. Fauci sidelined in that way begs some questions. Joe, thank you very much for all of that. You just heard, dr. Fauci clashing with the Trump Administration by urging some states to consider shutting down again. Will they heed that warning . Because heart and Kidney Disease shouldnt prevent you from pushing your limits. Because every baby deserves the very best start in life. Because a changing environment should mean caring for the land that takes care of us all. At bayer, everything we do, from advances in health to innovations in agriculture, is to help every life we touch. At bayer, this is why we science. Did you know Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance tada so you only pay for what you need . Given my unique lifestyle, thatd be perfect let me grab a pen and some paper. 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Let me pull up the Positivity Rates as of this morning in some major states and hot spots. Arizona is having a Positivity Rate of 28 . Meaning that of everybody who gets tested, 28 come back positive. Texas, 26 . Florida, 19 . If you were in charge, do you think those states should shut down today . Good morning, alisyn. And spoton, so five states had their highest peaks yesterday. And i think about half states had their sevenday peaks. This is an outbreak that is uncontained in prefall. If youre not doing the four things weve talked about in the past to get this outbreak under control, starting with test and trace, thats been successful in europe, canada, many countries have eliminated disease. So if you cant get those right, your only option is to shut down. Only option is to shut down. Because we know, by the way, that testing is hitting a ceiling in some places right now. Theyre having a hard time keeping the testing up in california. Theyre shutting down testing locations, because theyre running out of supplies. Were seeing long lines in florida and in texas. So you believe shutting down, just so people can see it. I think this curve, so people can see the daily new cases in the United States is astounding. Just how steep it is. Look at how much that has climbed since midjune. Were talking about weeks. Look how steep that curve is. And do you think the only way now to change that is to shut down . Well, we had four options. The four options to get this outbreak under control that we know work. Leadership, test and trace, get cases down in our community, wear masks, wash your hands, the Community Engagement part and drop deaths with dexamethasone. So if were not dropping deaths in our community with test and trace and masking, then, yes. Zpa and states are already doing that. Theyre shutting down bars and restaurants, because if people dont come in contact with each other, they cant cause disease. But how can we talk about going back to music events, stadiums, see the movies when we cant even go back or go to school, when we cant even go back to restaurants and bars at this point. Lets talk about schools. Because, obviously, we heard the president yesterday demand, basically, that Public Schools across the country be open for inperson learning. And then after that, the cdc said they would revisit and revise their guidelines. Let me just pull up the guidelines as they stand right now for how to, they believe, safely reopen schools. Wear masks, i assume, they mean, for students and teachers. Keep desks 6 feet apart. Stay home when appropriate. Meaning if youre showing symptoms, i think. Stagger arrival times and dismissal times and have backup staffing plans. Also, close communal spaces. Cancel field trips, large gatherings. What, doctor, is so onerous about those guidelines . So, alisyn, theres nothing onerous. Actually, theyre pretty standard guidelines. These are the type of guidelines im writing with individuals all over the u. S. , these days. And if anything, theyre mild. Because what you notice is not in those guidelines is triggers. So, which we put in our guidelines. At what point do you open schools . Right now in arizona, theyre seeing 450 cases per million, per day. Is it okay when you cant open a bar or restaurant for kids to go to school . So those guidelines need to be strengthened, as are all other guidelines coming out from cdc to say, this is our range. And unless youre in this range, we dont think its appropriate to open. So, yes, open, but open safely. Those are guidelines, by the way. Those arent rules. Not saying that states have to do this, but it just helps instruct these School Districts for how to do it. Doctor, what questions do you have and what answers do we now have about transmission in schools . So the good news is that it looks like theres little transmission within schools and children really dont play a large role in causing transmission not just in schools, but causing transmission in communities, which they do in influenza, which is one of the reasons we first shut down schools. But that said, you know, kids still get infected, they still get complications, they still get this disease called multiinflammatory syndrome of children, so its not like theres zero risk to our children. So like many, i want our kids to go back to school, but they have to go back to school safely. And thats what the cdc guidelines say. If youre going to send them back to school, here are the measures to put in place for them to go back safely. But i want to see the cdc guideline go one more step and say, unless you have 50 cases per million, per day, below that threshold, do not reopen schools for inperson activities. And that should force people to get Community Transmission down. Tha thats what we need to do. Sure. But i feel that the guidance on schools is very mixed. If children have are showing that they are not transmitters, so, yes, of course, there are the tragic cases of kids getting the inflammatory syndrome, of course, there are the tragic cases of kids actually transmitting it to someone who can be vulnerable and get sick, but if in general, for the vast swath of children are not transmitters, then shouldnt we be pushing to get them back in school . No, absolutely not. Unless you drive down Community Transmission. Because youre still going to get outbreaks in schools. So, yes, the kids arent going to get very sick, but youll still get outbreaks in schools, there are still teachers there, vulnerable teachers within that group. So what will happen is youll sort of have this whiplash, which is youll send your kids to school, and all of a sudden, youll have three, four, five cases in the school, the school will be forced to shut down 5 to 14 days and you repeat that again and again, and before you know it, the School Districts are all shut down again. You have to get Community Transmission down. Thats best way to protect our kids and get them back in school safely. Dr. Khan, rapidfire, given where things are, should texas be opening schools right now . Absolutely not. Should arizona be opening schools right now . Any place above 50 cases per million per day should not be talking about opening schools today. Florida . No. California . No all right. I think i get the point. Now youre trying to make me remember which ones are below 50, arent you . I appreciate your use of memory there. Thank you for being with us. As always, the discussion is an education. Always a pleasure. Thank you, both. And math, john. 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