This doctor who says you dont have to wear a mask. She says theres a cure for coronavirus, thats not true and she said that medicine is made by dna alien and that women are being seduced by demons in their dreams. Joining me is Peter Navarro, always a pleasure to have you on. Well go by house rules not senate rules. I come in peace today. Just back from thats where i want to start. I want to start with this announcement, 700 million loan to kodak. To begin producing pharmaceutical materials, active ingredients which are the Building Blocks to so many treatments in this country. Why is it important to move that production to the United States . Well, first of all, were grossly over the pandemic. Not just for the therapeutical ingredients but what goes into maybing the api. With kodak, its the single biggest deal in american pharmaceutical history. Because it will transform this once Iconic Company into a power house that will once it gets fully ramped up over time will provide 25 , john, 25 of the api we need for our Generic Medicines and the important statistic there is that 90 of what we consume for our medicines are generic. So theyre not only going to do the api, but the key starting materials and it was a pleasure Walking Around the facility. It was bittersweet in a way because as we walked through the grounds its a huge 1,200 acres. I saw a lot of weeds growing where big buildings had been. When will they start producing materials they can use to start fighting the pandemic were in now . Theyre already producing some of the chemicals. Its small scale. What were going to do in a couple weeks is announce some contracts that they will have for the what we call the finished doses form, the tablets, capsules, injectables. Once we get those contracts done well see what exactly they can produce when. But its going to be in realtime. Another deal we did a month and a half ago is already producing pharmaceuticals. Why not do Something Like this a big deal like this to produce reagents which so many people tell us is missing right now. Theyre short of reagent in testing one of the things leading to the delay in testing. So why not do this today to get more of that produced . So maybe well have announcement soon about that. What i do, john, i have a big board with 30 or more companies at any given time. And what were looking for is just that. You know, were looking for testing swabs, looking for somebody who can do lateral flow assays for antibodies, key starting materials so its a process where im working very closely with people like paul mango at hhs, bob kadlec, the admiral, and this guy adam bowler, hes a beauty to work with. Hes a guy that the president used in the defense production act. Hes a ceo of the Development Finance corporation and he empowered adam shaw basically to be the bank for on shoring production and we were able once my team located the kodak footprint, we were able to put that deal together in two months with really diligent vetting. So we are doing this all the time. It is interesting. It is interesting and well follow it very closely as they amp up and begin production there. Peter, let me ask you, whats your opinion of dr. Stella emanuel . I have no opinion. I saw the brief, i had no knowledge of her. Heres what i can tell hang on. Hang on. You said just so people know, just so people know who do have knowledge of her, the president of the United States the president of the United States does and he promoted her views at the White House Briefing yesterday. Listen. I thought she was very impressive in the sense that from where she came, i dont know which country she comes from. But she said that shes had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients and i thought her voice was an important voice but i know nothing about her. You said last week real quick, last week you said thank you very much. The president is promoting dr. Stella emanuel and he tweeted out what she said yesterday. Shes always said if you dont know hang on. She said alien dna i saw the opener. Alien dna is used in what medicine. Science is i dont have youre having fun with. This. Oh, god, im not having fun with this. Im deadly serious. My question is, my question is, why lean on Stella Emanuel to make a medical point . So, look, my mission here is to help the president save lives and create jobs and this issue of hydroxychloroquine, what the president was talking about, i thought he did it in a very sophisticated way yesterday because he pointed out that its only efficacious in early treatment. I would suggest, dont believe me, dont believe dr. Fauci, bring on william oneill. I have spoken to william oneill. Well get to hydroxy peter, peter its not fair to me, john, to it is. He did quote he did quote dr. Oneill. He did quote dr. Rish at yale. He did talk about Stella Emanuel. He talked about this doctor who promotes demon seed. So im asking why should the do me a favor, john. I have nothing to say about that. I know nothing about her, if you want to use me as a prop to kind of play her clips because i have got stuff to talk about to you. Look, we talked about it. Can i say one more thing . One more thing. Hydroxychloroquine you talk about hydroxychloroquine a lot. And i stand by it. Im sitting on millions of doses of it, and you know what, how Many Americans died yesterday, john . 1,200. If the ford study is right, half of those people would be alive, okay . The ford study the ford study we reported on on the broadcast. Just so people know, the study did find that it had some effect on people who took it early but the study had limitations that you will acknowledge. Number one it wasnt randomized. It was not double blind. The people who took hydroxychloroquine were assigned and chosen by the researchers. Also, they were twice as likely to receive steroids which we know have been proven in Clinical Trials to help. That was controlled from the study. We had a really good dialogue about it. You and i arent going to settle this. Lets see what it is. Heres the thing, youre making it sound like you youre making it sound like there are two sides to this. There are two sides to this. Listen to dr. Fauci. Listen to dr. Fauci. Listen to dr. Fauci yesterday. I go along with the fda. The overwhelming, prevailing Clinical Trials that have looked at the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine have indicated that it is not effective in coronavirus disease. The overwhelming the let me ask you two questions, john. Yes. First of all, back in january when i said there was probably going to be a pandemic and dr. Fauci there wasnt, who was right . Dr. Fauci said theres probably not going to be a pandemic . Yeah. He said it back he was quoted twice on national tv as saying, no, theres no problem here. Low risk. He said if we dont take the actions not in january. Not in january. Peter, the point heres the other question. Hang on. Lets let me ask you this question. In in february when i said that we could maybe get a vaccine by the end of the year, and dr. Fauci was on abc news saying it would take a year, a year and a half to develop and another year and a half to manufacture, who looks like theyre going to be right on that . So peter, it sounds like youre saying the answer that question. It sounds like youre saying legitimate disagreements. Do you think youre more right on the pandemic . Globally, no. You said this on the show, it was ironic that the doctor of economics actually had the pandemic right, the doctor of medicine didnt. I never said that. Oh, i never said that. Oh, pull the clip. I never said that. All right. I bust you on that. I never said that. Look peter, its nonsense. Dial this down here. The issue is life and death, john. Lets get serious for a minute. Which is why, by the way which is why, by the way, we should listen to dr. Anthony fauci and not a doctor Stella Emanuel, Stella Emanuel, yes or no, yes or no . I have no knowledge of any of this. I just read to you what she said. Yes or no . Im not going to be your prop in this circus, okay. Heres whats really serious about this. Americans are dying. Now, if we have commissioner steve on, i have had this conversations off line with him. Hes acknowledged fully to me that the question of this drug under doctors supervision killing people has been settled. Its a drug that will not hurt you, okay . Have him on. Have him talk about it. The only question is whether theres any upside and i would maintain reading over 60 studies that the treatment for early use is overwhelming. So the question is if im wrong, nobody gets hurt. If im right, and you use it thousands of people thousands of americans lives why are you guys so why are you guys so hard core about wanting to knock this down . All i want to do is make sure people pregnant women take it when they go into malaria zones. The cdc said its fine. Thats not what the science and research have said. Youre wrong on that. Youre wrong. Im not, peter. Some studies show it can have adverse effects. Putting stuff in your body youre just wrong. Unless its proven to help is not a great thing. This is not water mellen. Youre a journalist and a economist. We shouldnt be having this conversation. What you just said as an economist you shouldnt be having this conversation. We should let the doctors settle but cnn and others have made a circus out of it. No. If im right, thousands of americans are dying because the media and the fda have made hydroxychloroquine something that appears to be dangerous when its a 65yearold drug that cant hurt you under doctor supervision. So, i mean, look, john, have the other people on. Have steve hawn on. Two more things here. Number one there was the more circus stuff . Look, its not circus stuff. Unless youre the ring master, unless youre the ring master or the tight rope walker you gave me the opportunity to to talk about kodak to the American People. Hang on. Ill give you two things and then vaccines. Number one what has the president said personally about the criticism of dr. Next question. Has he told you to not to talk about dr. Anthony fauci . Thats between me and the president. Is the china deal still happening . Its still happening. As a matter of fact, they bought the highest amount of corn ever in history from us last couple of weeks. But let me tell look, i want to talk directly to your viewers here and to you because theres things going on in this administration doing to save american lives and this vaccine development, its a very serious matter. I was with the president in Research Park on monday and the way to get to the vaccine in a half or a third of the usual time is going from first of all, the traditional model is sequencing. You find the vaccine, test it through three phases for safety and efficacy and only after that do you think about mass producing that. With the president s genius, were turning that paradigm on its head. Were simultaneously preparing for mass manufacturerining so w have five in a horse race so were ready in november if novavax or others to get it to the American People. Thats the kind of stuff im doing and i love coming on and talking with you, john, but the more you can leverage kind of what i know and what im doing to share with the American People, id appreciate that. Because i have a lot to share. Look, i know you do. I know you do. But you make it sound like for this president. You make it sound like you dont frequently weigh in on hydroxychloroquine. No, i was i was asking you about that. Im straight up on that. We have had this conversation before. Thats circus stuff. The circus the president of the United States is the one who praised her. Is he responsible for creating the circus . You keep beating this to death, okay . The serious underlying issue, john, this is a serious underlying issue, can hydroxychloroquine save lives and this discussion were having today really doesnt enlighten that. It politicizes it and the problem is that the media as soon as donald trump said this stuff is good politicized it. Im pleading with you, and the American People, to look at this drug again because i literally have tens of millions of tablets sitting in the Strategic National stockpile that if we were allowed under the doctors advice to get this stuff to people at the first sign of their symptoms i guarantee you it would cut the amount of time of the symptoms, reduce the duration of the symptoms and save lives. Peter its you keep saying this. You keep saying this. Look at the studies. I look at the studies. And we talked about the limitation. You cant point to the single study that i can read that shows to the contrary in terms of early treatment. You just cant. Well, thats not true. Thats not true. The nih study people got the treatment. They got some of the patients got the treatment early. Some of them got it early and the new england study that was a pure the new england journal of medicine study came out, the median time for them to get the medicine the first time they got it was seven days. Thats about five days too late. We dont need to go down this road anymore. Dr. Anthony fauci i have spoken to dr. Oneill at length. The doctor who wrote the report in the study says it doesnt disprove the other studies which have talked about the limitations. Been on your show . No, peter. Theyre better spokesman than i am. Why doesnt the president talk about them instead of Stella Emanuel . He mentioned them. As soon as you go there, this is a circus again. Im trying to have a serious discussion. But people people of cnn and you want the president wants circus. The president wants circus. The president wants circus. The president wants circus. Why not this week we demonstrated the use of the defense production act can get a vaccine to the American People in half or a third of the time. We did a beautiful job on tuesday with the greatest deal for American Pharmaceuticals in history and on thursday were going to have a great event on convalescent plasma which is another therapeutic which has potential use. What were trying to do, john, is save american lives and save this American Economy and again, i love coming on. This is like kind of like combat here in some ways. No. But to the extend you can allow me to provide useful information to the American People on how were testing or bringing the drugs on shore for production or a vaccine development, i assure you, john, i have so much information. And we talked about what is being done. We talked about the manufacturing deal. I just want to make sure just dont drag me into the circus. Peter well know more your problem is with me. Your problem isnt with me. But with the guy sitting behind you right now in that house. I love that guy. Hes the funniest guy, smartest guy i know and hes doing a great job. And we are let me ask you. No no. Peter, who tweeted out dr. Stella emanuel . Was it me or the president . Was it me or the president . Answer that. This is circus. Was it me or the president who praised her at the white house yesterday . Three ring circus with you. What i can simply do, john, is just talk about what this president is doing to try to save american lives and let me ask you one last question. The Chinese Communist party infected this nation with a deadly virus. No. How come it is that we as americans now are fighting amongst each other . This is what troubles me so much. Again, again, i would ask you you may want to pose that question to me. I invite you to pose it to the guy sitting behind you and i will say that this virus that is infecting the United States right now is chinese virus. We let you say that once, peter, please dont say it again on this show. China virus. All right, Peter Navarro, thank you for being with us. I know what youre trying to do there. There are Asian Americans who have told us they have been the source of we love the chinese people, john, theyre hard working. Theyre under the authoritarian government. Great to talk with you, john. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Congratulations on the kodak deal. It was a great win for america. Okay. Peter navarro, thanks very much. Why am i sweating . Joining us now is john harwood who is im sure is as well. Hi, john. So Peter Navarro said a lot of things there under johns excellent questioning. Peter said that President Trump is the smartest, funniest guy Peter Navarro knows and he doesnt like being part of any circus. What else did you hear . Alisyn, Peter Navarro is the circus. Another manifestation of this circus of an administration. Lets slow down for a second. Yesterday the president came into the Briefing Room and complained that people like Anthony Fauci, they dont like him. Peter navarro just demonstrated why that is as the president did yesterday. The United States is manifestly failing in the effort to control coronavirus, 4 million cases, 150,000 people dead. And what the president did with his tweets was advanced the views of a crack pot. Not someone who knows what shes talking about. Now, Peter Navarro was just amplifying those views again. Now if you talk to economists who serve president s of both parties they will tell you that Peter Navarro himself is a crack pot in his own field of economics. He has zero expertise in Public Health. Theres no valid argument between him and Anthony Fauci about the merits of hydroxychloroquine. Anthony fauci is the