Politician. You say you have never seen anything like it. Yeah. I mean, you know, the what dr. Redfield was saying yesterday was i listened to it. It wasnt shocking. Its what a lot of other people have already said and andy slaven and i were on the show and the evidence is an your nose and if we put on a mask, physically distanced, weve been saying that for some time and the idea that the vaccine is going to immediately flip a switch is not true. I mean, theres not enough vaccines immediately available. We know thats true. We can talk about that. Even after you get it, you know, depending on how effective it is, we may still need to abide by the Public Health measures for some time to come. What was shocking was not what dr. Redfield said, but how the president responded to it. Basically, you know, arguing with the evidence, the science we have been talking about for months. Isnt it shocking how the spokesperson from the cdc responded to what President Trump said. President trump is on a different time line and yet, yesterday, the spokesperson for the cdc had to kind of do the back bends, these rhetorical back bends to somehow conform with President Trumps time line by saying, well, he meant when it would be completed for the general public. Not when it would be available to the general public. I mean, i know that i have read your notes that say all of this just sows doubt in these institutions, the cdc, the fda, that well need when the vaccine comes out. I hope everybody keeps in mind whats important. Which is, first of all, it will be great news and very fast to get a vaccine over the course of the next year. I know everybody is impatient and that we want it now, but were better off having a safe vaccine that everyone can trust and that goes through the scientific process. Next year its still very, very speedy. Even if mr. Trump plays politics with the vaccine, we shouldnt lose our faith that vaccines will be part of the answer. But sanjay said it exactly right. Its part of the answer because a vaccine is going to be its going to be somewhat effective in some people for some period of time. What those somes are we cant possibly know. It will be a big help and a big part of the arsenal, but will so our masks and the behavior changes and the new therapies. All those things together are going to get us on the right path but i urge us to be patient and i urge us not to lose confidence in science even with the politics going on. I know the other day when the president tried to undermine mask wearing at the abc town hall and said that he looks at waiters and thats waiters as in people who serve food as if he communicate with him and they say that masks dont work. You say its a side show, but im not sure because of what weve heard from the president over the last few days. Why did he tell dr. Redfield and say youre wrong about the masks and making fun of joe biden for wearing a mask . It seems that undermining mask wearing is part of the new strategy. Yeah. I mean, i think what i meant by side show is i walked that town hall. I think he was sort of making up a reason, you know, people are asking why arent you behind masks and his answer was some version of, well, waiters dont like them. That obviously is a terrible answer and, you know, most of the country is behind mask wearing. All of his Public Health officials are behind mask wearing. There are people around him, you know, to protect him wear masks. Also be tested. Do all those things. So, you know, i dont know. I guess its a very clear, concise wedge issue that has developed because, you know, he has sort of politicized masks. You know, we have seen so many countries around the world and we can see the graph again, which we have shown on your program before. If you look at the u. S. Versus italy and south korea and look at the trend lines, the trend lines in many of the other places have improved dramatically and the United States has stayed up high. The overall case count is plateauing at a high number. Why . They dont have a vaccine. They dont have some magic therapeutic, they did all of the things we could have done as well. Why the president is so against masks i think is because its easy to basically drive a wedge with this issue. Vaccines are harder to explain. Therapeutics harder to explain. You know, this mask thing is just bizarre to me. I dont think he has a reason as to why hes so against masks. Andy, i want to play what dr. Redfield of the cdc said about masks yesterday because it helped me see it in a totally new and more optimistic light. So listen to what he said. These the most important, powerful Public Health tool we have, if we did it for 8, 10, 12 weeks we might bring this pandemic under control. I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against the covid than a vaccine, because if i dont get a immune response the vaccine wont protect me but this face mask will. Its like we have the power. I was telling john it reminds me of, you know, the wizard of oz, dorothy, you have had the power all along. We dont have to wait for Silver Bullet for the vaccine and we have the power that might be even more protective. Look at the continent of africa. 1. 3 billion people. They have had fewer than 30,000 deaths in the continent of africa. They dont have all of the technology and all of the resources. They dont have the expectation that our government going to solve this for them. This is low tech. And this is a slow pitch. This is not that hard to understand. Which is why what sanjay said is very important here. If we had a consistent message, a consistent message about masks that theyre not controversial, that they work and that indeed six to eight weeks and dr. Redfield is correct. The virus does go away. Now hes got to stop freelancing that bit at the end more powerful than a vaccine, why would the head of the cdc sow any concern about vaccine that he doesnt need to, thats not his point. But his point about masks is right. I thought youd going to bring up the wizard of oz to make me feel better about wearing ruby slippers. Sanjay, just to be clear, the time line for a Vaccine Availability to the general public is what dr. Redfield said yesterday and we did hear from dr. Anthony fauci yesterday on when they do become available whats really important. So listen. What would happen if only a third or twothirds or a half get vaccinated is that enough . I dont think it would be at all. I think thats important for the public to appreciate and thats why i appreciate the opportunity of having this interview with you. One of the things you need to understand its the combination of how effective a vaccine is and how many people use it. You thought that sound was really important, sanjay. Why . Well, you know, we always talk about a vaccine being safe and effective as the two criteria which they are. But safe, effective and trusted, you know, we have to add in that third criteria here. We now know that the number of people who say the percentage of people who say they would not take this vaccine if authorized in the fall but not approved is over half the country. That number actually went up since may. Thats got to change. I understand that we have been reporting on the concerns about the fda for some months because of the emergency use authorization given to hydroxychloroquine, the exaggerating of data around convalescent plasma. But i think i have talked to, you know, several people about this been reporting on it for some time, theres a necessary and safety regulatory process when it comes to vaccines. I mean, youre giving it to healthy people, not sick people and there is an independent body. People have to take the vaccine to get to the mass immunity were talking about. Dr. Sanjay gupta and andy slavitt, thank you. Now to the aftermath of Hurricane Sally, still drenching georgia and the carolinas right now. Up to a foot of rain is forecast today. And you are looking at live pictures from a drone above the catastrophic flooding caused by the hurricane. This is in gulf shores, alabama. Thats where sally made landfall yesterday morning. The storm surge and torrential rain has much of this coastal city under water. The worst flooding may be in pensacola, florida, where sally dumped two feet of rain in just four hours. Cnns rosa flores has more. Tell us what it looks around you, rosa. Reporter alisyn, good morning. The water has receded but the signs of the force of Hurricane Sally are all around me. Let me show you around because youll see that the blacktop on this road peeled away and its stacked up like a layered cake. Behind that, youll see that theres still some ponding. Theres still some debris and some cars underwater. Officials here were telling me that there was so much water that soaked this area that the trees normally during a hurricane we see how the branches just snap and you can see all around here the trees are not completely snapped. The roots are uprooted, which is different. We normally dont see that. Beyond that youll also see that a boat went ashore. Now, there were very dramatic moments at the height of this hurricane. I talked to commissioner robert bender. He is a commissioner here and he said that the officials were watching this crane, this barge that had a crane that hit the three mile bridge. Now, locals call it the three mill bridge and it connects pensacola where i am to gulf breeze. Well, that barge hit the three mile bridge, removed a piece of that bridge and then headed towards the i10 bridge. So that is the main thoroughfare if you have ever been to pensacola, you have probably been on that interstate. Officials said there were dramatic moments because the barge was headed straight to i10 about a half mile before that the barge went aground and then the u. S. Coast guard was called in and was able to secure that barge. But, alisyn, a lot of tense moments. We have talked to folks here who say they didnt think it was going to be as bad and then they started experiencing the bands and the rain. I should add that Governor Ron Desantis is expected to survey the damage and to help whoever needs help in this area impacted by Hurricane Sally. Rosa flores, thank you very much for being on the ground for us. 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Its its you know, other than slavery which was a different kind of restraint, this is the greatest intrusion on Civil Liberties in american history. Joining me now is House Majority whip, James Clyburn of South Carolina. Thanks so much for being with us. As i said there was no National Lockdown but even comparing some of the state restrictions for coronavirus to human bondage, whats your reaction to that . Well, thank you very much for having me. I think that statement was the most ridiculous tone deaf, god awful things i have ever heard. It is incredible the chief Law Enforcement officer in this country equate human bondage to expert advice to save lives. Slavery was not about saving lives, it was about devaluing lives. This pandemic is a threat to human life. I mean, experts, the medical experts, the scientists are telling us what it takes to respond successfully to this pandemic. And if this administration this god awful duo of trump and barr are going about the business of doing what is necessary to protect the people of this great country, we would be beyond this pandemic by now. Those countries that did it they are beyond it. Those of us who ignored it, it would be great it would have been great if we had a National Lockdown so that peoples lives would be saved and our children would be going on with their lives today as they should be. But that is just what were up against here. Two people in charge of running the Law Enforcement of this country absolutely tone deaf to what it takes to be great leaders. Theyre driving this country into a direction no one thought wed ever see. Theres many places in the world seeing a resurgence of the coronavirus cases no matter what actions they took. I want to ask you youre leading the House Committee leading the coronavirus and youre launching an invest into mike caputo, whether or not he was using pressure to alter the scientific reports. What have you found largely speaking about political influence on this . Were troubled by what were finding, i wont get into the specifics because were doing the investigation. I dont want to be out in front of my staff but let mow say this. Im very troubled by what the administration is doing and many of the people who are mouthing this foolishness. And even the president himself. This is just a bit much for the country to take. But the investigations are ongoing and i put an s on investigations because there are several that are taking place and several need to take place because they are on many fronts doing stuff that put the lives and livelihoods of the American People at great risk. I want to ask you about the status of Coronavirus Relief in the house of representatives now. A group of a Bipartisan Group known as the Problem Solver caucus and the president said hes in favor of a higher end and spending much higher than republicans in the senate are. So what hope do you have this morning that you may be able to sit down and negotiate an agreement . Well, as you know, i grew up in the parsonage and i grew its the deeds, not their words that we should be guided by. So im waiting for the 39 im waiting for the president to put forth some deeds, tell the leadership of the senate, because Mitch Mcconnell has told us that hes not going to put anything on the floor unless its got the support of the president. So tell him what it is that you support. Not these generalities about a high end number. Give him the number and give him how you ought to spend or allocate the numbers and then lets go forward. The Problem Solvers, theyre doing good work. Im pleased to see that they are really improving upon their initial proposals. Now, remember the Problem Solvers is bipartisan. Almost 50 50. Democrats and republicans. I think about 21 to 22 on either side so its a bipartisan approach. So this president should follow what is taking place with them and i think theyre getting close to what is a realistic number. Well, what about nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house . Should she also listen to the Problem Solvers here because she doesnt appear to be in discussions at this point. Thats not true, she is absolutely listening to them. They are part of our caucus and she talks with them. She hasnt met with them. I know she has and we discussed the meetings. So sure, shes listening to them. But just because youre listening doesnt mean you are capitulating. She knows exactly what we need to do and i support the proposal shes laid out and thats why i think the Problem Solvers are getting closer to where we need to be. I dont think theyre there yet. Can i ask about a parochial concern and thats the state of South Carolina. You may be the most influential democratic politician in South Carolina, at least right now. Theres a senate race in South Carolina, lindsey graham, running for reelection and theres a brandnew poll which shows the race neck and neck. Do you believe it . What do you think going to happen here . Yes, the race is neck and neck. And i do believe that Jamie Harrison will be on november the 4th the biggest one of the biggest political surprises this country has ever seen. Jamie has a great story. I met him when he was an 11th grader. He has been in my life ever since and he has been in the lives of the people of