Tonight, is washington getting the message . Over four million of you heard my explosive interview. Can you push me to say this to him. You are a stupid man arent you. Plus families of the aurara family movie victims. Plus what has to happen to stop the kill. The American Public is going to put up with more delays. This is piers morgan tonight. Good evening. Live at the white house where Vice President joe biden said his boss is considering taking executive action without waiting for congress. Tonight, im in favor of a nationwide ban on semiautomatic assault weapons and magazines. I want to close the gun shows. And id like to see president obama increase federal funding. It would go a long way to at least try to stop the deadly toll on gun violence. Things got heated the last time he was here take a listen. It seem to me you are morally obtuse. And i dont know why you want to be the criminals friend. What a ridiculous argument. Larry pratt, welcome back to you. Thank you for having me. Why did you agree to come back . Well, i thought maybe we could help you sell some more newspapers. More newspapers . Increase your viewership. We are a Television Channel you are aware of that . Im sorry yes, of course. If you are in the meeting tomorrow with Vice President biden tomorrow what would you be saying . That the discussion has not been going anywhere that we can tell in a productive way. We are not talking about people defending themselves precisely in these gunfree zones. Hopefully, at some point, we are going to come to the realization that repeating the same policy year after year getting the same deadly results is only going to get us the same deadly results the next time right, so your solution if you were there in that meeting would be to arm every school, church, hospital, everywhere that members of the public can be . You certainly would want to encourage people who are qualified to carry concealed firearm to be able to do so in a school zone. Right now that is illegal in all but a couple of our states and institutions of higher learning. But by and large it is prohibited. That need to stop because we have been using those at magnets where all of our mass murders have been occurring in these gun free zones. It seems that we have a fixation that no defense is a good defense and that is not a good idea. Here is high issue with this claim that you keep making. And that is not wrong. These mass shooters pretty well know they are going to die. They go to kill a lot of people and they know at some stage that they are going to die. All mass shooters pretty much get killed. Right and sometimes kill themselves. Why would the gun free zone make a difference to them . They are looking for, it could seem in their sick minds, to see if they can out do the Virginia Tech slaughter. So, why should we give them a neon sign that says well, see if you can do better than the last guy over here. You know there was an armed person at Virginia Technology and at ft. Hood, one of the most heavily guarded military bases in the world people were killed and wounded. And it was a fun free zone no guns on base unless you were an mp. Accept that . Especially if you are telling the potential al victim you cant be armed. You have to wait for the calvary to get five, ten or 20 minutes later. I find that unconscionable. Do you know how many Mass Shootings have been in the last 30 years. I dont have a number. I can tell you the answer 62. Do you know of those 62 Mass Shootings how many times a civilian has taken out the shooter . It is probably not that many because we make it so hard for people to defend themselves. Wait a minute. You have in america, 300 million guns in circulation. You wouldnt contest that. 99 laws have been passed since 2009 to make it easier for american to own guns to carry them in public harder for the government to track. What im seeing here is a picture of ever more relaxed gun laws and a spike in Mass Shootings and six of the 12 worst ever shootings have come in the last five year. That is not correct. It is true. These are facts these arent things you can laugh. You always laugh. I dont find it remotely funny. The point is there has been an escalation in the number of Mass Shootings in the last five years. The aurora movie shooting was the single worst shooting in the terms of people hit and the sandy hook shooting was the worst school shooting. And every time you come out and you are very vocal and you are proud of what you say and say the same thing. If everybody had been armed somebody would have killed the shooter and prevented the massacres. If we would be talking the way you want to talk. We are not going to talk about making people easy to defend themselves. Because there was somebody on the scene who was able to shoot back. Again, again nor are we talking about the federal government. Let me jump in here. Or putting guns in the hands of the mexican car tell resulting in the deaths of over 400 mexicans and counts or eric holder and his justice department. Lets stay on the point i was trying to make. In the last 30 years there have been 62 Mass Shootings. Not a single one has been thwarted by a single civilian. That doesnt rise to the level of being a mass shooting. It gets nipped in the bud. So of course we are not going to have those statistics because a good guy with a gun was able to get there before the body count mounted. General mccrystal has on Anderson Cooper earlier. He said he doesnt want his family anywhere near the assault weapons im particularly exercised about. We have a clip here from morning joe to show you why. I spent a career carrying m16 and m4 and it fires a 223 caliber round which is 5. 56 milimeter when it hits a human body the effects are devastating. It is designed to do that. I dont think there is any need for that weaponry on the streets and around the schools in america. Why do you know more about the impact and capability than the general . While the general was visiting outside of the country, he may not have noticed the korean merchants who used the ar 15 rifles with large magazines to defend themselves during the la riots that was 20 years ago. Those men. Did you know how long ago that was. Let me finish my point. It was 20 years ago. There has never been anything like it before or after. The argument they were being used by the people around new orleans to be able to defend themselves and after hurricanes in florida people were using these kinds of fire arms to be able to defend themselves. When you have a woman in a closet who is only able to deter a guy with five shots that hit the guys head and he still walks out of the house. If there had been two assailants i dont think she would have done so well. The last shootings involve the military style Assault Rifle. Even in connecticut which has supposedly tough gun cone troll laws. Why do you feel civilians should still be able to have access to these killing machines. Because the general and his troops are not going to be able to be there to protect americans nor the police after a hurricane or after an earthquake during riots. And i appreciate his service to the country and the military. But he is not dealing with what a villains have to put up with in the vacuum of somebody to protect them. And i dont want to deal with the six shot resolver. I want a real gun to be able to check myself and my family. It is not likely to be one roving bad guy it is likely to be a gang of people. This is the real world where we are going to need sufficient fire power to protect ourselves. I think you have 300 guns in circulation. That is why, i want to read this carefully. I heard you this morning talking to alex jones. And you were talking about these figures from britain and how apparently the gun control in britain has been a fiasco and crime has been through the roof. So i dugout the homicide figures from guns in england and wales by comparison to the United States of america going back to 2003. Im going to read these quickly to you 2003, gun murders in england 68. In america 11,920. In america 11,624. In 2005, 50 in england, in america 12,352. Now. Let me finish. Here is my point. Every time i hear you say, there is a safer country where you have more guns my brain takes me back to these figures in britain we brought in a handgun and assault weapon ban after a situation where a similar number of School Children were murdered with guns. This is what happens when you take a responsible. Action. Why do you still persist in trying to persuade americans that the opposite is true. First of all, the data that you are using for the murder rate in england is a shame. There is a monumental miss reporting of what constitutes murder. What an absolute lie. Well you dont know what you are talking about. Mr. Pratt, it doesnt take very long. You are these are your own governments data. Go tell them that they are lying. You asked them for an apology why dont you. You are telling me that 50 murders a year. These are invented statistics and the figures in britain for gun murders are many more times that . That is what your own constabulary is saying. I dont know if you are including the murders that occurred well after the gun ban in which 12 people were murdered on the west coast of england. Dont be patronising. 39 in 2011. No you had 970. I dont know what you are talking about. This is nonsense, mr. Pratt. You are from another planet. And that is why you are having trouble living in america. You are telling me on cnn we had how many last year . 970 and you have a crime rate that is the 4th highest in the world. You have just propagated a lie. Go tell the editors of the telegraph who published that information two days after our last interview. There were 39 gun murders in 2011. You are whistling past the graveyard. You are twisting it so that americans who are watching this who may be attempting to buy into this rush out to buy more weapons and more ammunition more guns less gun murders it is based on lies and you are propagated another lie and you have said that a figure of 39 the official figures from the British Home Office 39 gun murders in 2011 in england and wales. It is outrageous. Im sure you will feel so much better being defenceless until you need a gun and then it will be too late to buy an insurance policy. Lets take a break. Try to stick if you can to facts and not lies. That would be helpful to the tenure of this debate. You can prevent gas with beano meltaways, or treat gas with these after you get it. Now thats like sunblock before or sun burn cream later. Oh, somebody out theres saying, now i get it take beano before and therell be no gas. Back now with larry pratt. Lets play a clip from my interview from monday nights show. Im here to tell you 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. It doesnt matter we will not relink wish them. Do you understand that is why you are going to fail. The republic will rise again when you attempt to take our guns. What do you make of mr. Jones performance on the interview . Well, it seemed that you had improved your demean or quite a bit and i congratulate you for maintaining it during that whole interview. He maintains that americans need to be heavily armed. Do you believe that . That is what our founders believed. That is what is important that is why we have the Second Amendment. As our bill of rights, our ten amendments are designed to limit what the federal government can do. That includes the right of the people to keep and bear arms. As you know, that applies to a well regulated militia. You are going to loose that argument. The courts agree that was the militia act of 1796 which required all able body men to own a military rifle so that they would have it at the ready were they called up. How many guns do you want in america mr. Pratt . That is not for me to decide. That is for individual americans to decide. Do you think every american should have an ar 15 . Every american should be able to get an ar 15. That is their choice. What are you going to do if president obama wins his battle and brings in new gun control legislation . Well, he is not going to do it by legislative in my opinion. What im concerned about and have been concerned about, having seen the president rule by executive order where he has no authority i can see that he would go ahead. And the Vice President has hinted at an executive order that moves toward their gun cone troll agenda. I i would advice mr. Obama what happened to george the third when he was doing similar things against the american colonists. He hasnt banned the importation of ball and powder yet. And george the third as you probably know, was so stressed by the loss of his famous favorite colony that he ended his days in a nut house, and i wouldnt wish that on anybody. When i talk to you mr. Pratt, i always look for some sense of humanity that you could react to the sandy hook massacre in the way that i do and many other people did. And i never see it from you. I only see a determined attempt that the only outcome that the gun manufacturers sell more guns and ammunition as we saw in december record gun and record sales. I would ask you, where is the humanity where is the humanity where you tell them they must sit there and do nothing. The humanity was being able to do nothing during the massacre. That was the lack of humanity. And you know what, this will come as more lies from larry pratt. It is entirely possible that the house of representatives will do away with the Gun Free School and you would be happy with that . You are a good guesser yes, sir. Where are they going to put them . Well, when people carry a concealed firearm one doesnt know for sure and the element of surprise remains with the person concealed. The person doesnt know which person or persons might be able to stop him and that is why our jurisdictions that have easy access to concealed carry fire arms enjoy lower murder rates than say chicago which does better than one murder a day. You are a very experienced man in your field. You have run your operation for a long time and people take you seriously. You are a leading member in the gun rights lobby. Im going to give you one more chance before we finish to say how many gun murders you believed were in england in 2011. More important. Im not going to really care about can you repeat the number of gun murders. The data we have seen was 970. That pales in significant to your crime rate overall. Everyone watching can google and go to the Home Office Site in england and wales and check that figure for themselves and when they see the accurate figure was 39 in 2011 and the figure was over is 11,000. Your data are sham. As they say, they can check it for themselves. Check out the shame data my friend. That is great. You are not friend of mine. Thank you for joining me. Next up, two people who lost loved ones in aurora. This is america. We dont let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. So if youre one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day. Block the acid with prilosec otc and dont get heartburn in the first place [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. Zero heartburn. In colorado today, the preliminary hearing for accused shooting james holmes ended with these words, he intended to kill them all. Joining me now, those whose loved ones were killed in that shooting. If i may, by asking you for your reaction to my interview with larry pratt. What did you think . I definitely think piers that more guns are not the answer. Because, that puts that many more guns in the hands of people who have Mental Illness and it becomes a fear factor for people nationwide. Tom, you lost your son in an appalling massacre. The worst single shooting in the history of the United States. When you hear somebody like larry pratt saying that the only way to ever deal with this is to plunge more guns into circulation what is your reaction to that . I struggle with it. A, i wonder what he would think if he was in my shoes and think about the scene and we have a good understanding of what the scene was like that night and only the people that were in there can really know. And i think that we need to recognize that. But he was there was smoke, people couldnt see, he had an automatic weapon, he had an automatic shotgun, two revolvers that didnt need to be reloaded so if somebody they are not going to walk in with an assault weapon. They are going to stand up in the fog and shoot at him. Everybody including him around that person who shot at him would be dead. If there were ten people in there and people started running around you might have had 15 or 20 people shot from friendly fire. I think the answer, the word assault meant that it was a felony. I think these things are called the wrong thing i think they should be called murder weapons. I think we should say if you have one you have to give them back. They will ban the assault weapons but then they work the stats in their favor. It is like y2k and you had the tech bubble burst. That is going to blow up your stats and are giving them the fodder to do it. You have raised a good point. You have to do what happened in britain and australia. They bring in a ban and they mean it. You cant carry one or own one and if you havent handed it in and you keep this weapon then you go to prison for a long time and that is the only way that you an enforce a ban. Jessica, this is such an important debate that suffered so terribly after these massacres. When you hear this argument all the time that it comes down to a right to bear arms under the Second Amendment of the United States constitution . What do you think of that argument . Well, seeing as it is this will be my 4th time with gun violence, in just the short you know couple year period, it is um, i dont know who to put it is definitely you know, people need to understand, what the different types of guns are. We dont need these semiautomatics that can shoot 8 bullets a second. Have you heard a co here rant argument why anybody needs this ar 15 assault weapon and also, a magazine that can hold 100 bullets . Have you heard any good argument . Absolutely not. Again, i think these things are worth to kill people. If people i think we need to be careful of people who want to have weapons that can kill people. Honestly, if i was a police officer, i would ban together and say look, you take these weapons off the streets or we are not going to protect you anymore. Because those people, my son died but th