Transcripts For CNNW Piers Morgan Tonight 20130124 : vimarsa

Transcripts For CNNW Piers Morgan Tonight 20130124

Slurping on an ice cube from a vodka tonic. Did he pass out after that . I was trying to wake him up after that. He was so chilled he would just fall asleep. He looks a little hungover. I know. More of a social drinker. When you are feeling rough after a hard night of drinking radiator fluid, sometimes the only thing that helps is hair of the dog. Please people, do not try that at home. Again, do not give your dog alcohol. Well see you again one hour from now. Another edition of 360 at 10 00 p. M. Eastern. Piers morgan tonight starts right now. Tonight, the big chill. Extreme weather a country locked in a deep freeze. Whats really going on here . And Hillary Clintons frost rrr reception on a hill. What difference at this point does it make . And nra fires back at president obama on guns. Theres only two reasons for a federal list on gun owns. Tax them or take them. And surprising views on guns. I know how newtown happened. Im still really, really wrecked over why. And talk about upset. Serena williams temper tantrum on the court. A Big Conversation tonight. This is piers morgan tonight. Good evening. Apologies for my ridiculous voice. My critics will be thrilled that i have nearly been silenced but im still going on it on a positive note, i always wanted to sound like barry white so ill try to get through this as best i can. Inauguration seems like such a long time ago. Tonight the country is arguing over everything from guns to weather to Hillary Clinton. A battle over benghazi, she gave as good as she got. It was an extraordinary moment. Listen to this. The fact is we had four dead americans. Was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night that decided to go kill americans. What difference at this point does it make . It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. An emotional Hillary Clinton today. My next guest has been calling for secretary clintons secretary for months. I want to know if shes satisfied by what she heard. Senator, you listened to Hillary Clinton. What was your verdict . What i thought is still so many questions that went unanswered and frankly some unsatisfactory answers. I think that i appreciate secretary clintons service to our country and i think that many senators thanked her. I think tonight the issue really is this. What she said is she was clear eyed about the dangers and threats in Eastern Libya but then she said that i didnt see any of the security requests which were multiple coming from the consulate. If you are clear eyed about dangers and threats from Eastern Libya, why werent you asking the questions about do we need more security . She also said she was aware about the prior attacks on the consulate and attack on the british ambassador. Of course the british left so why if you knew about that, why werent you asking should we leave or should we further secure our consulate . So there were a number of issues that i was concerned about. In addition she said she was in continuous contact with the libyan government. They had a willingness to protect our people but not a capacity. If you knew there was no capacity, i saw that video from that night. I have to tell you, the libyans that we had charged, we outsourced our security to, they ran as soon as they saw thos attackers come to the consulate gate. And so we knew they didnt have that capacity. I think as the person who is in charge, the accountability review board found that there were systemic failures of leadership, that this is a very important issue. Ive been listening to the republicans getting on their high horse about this for a long time. I thought a lot of todays criticism was political grandstanding in many ways. If you go back to catastrophic intelligence failures before 9 11 or in the build to the iraq war more serious than this. Thats not to diminish the deaths of four americans but those led to the deaths of many, many, many more americans. You got to say get this in perspective. Hillary clinton to me seemed to me today to be sincere. I dont think anyone can expect the secretary of state to read every cable that comes in. Unless what youre telling me is you believe she definitively lied and deliberately misled the American People. Where do we go with this . First of all, thats not what im saying. What im saying is this. I dont expect her to have read every single document that comes before her. But when she said that she was clear eyed about the dangers and threats in benghazi and Eastern Libya, the real question is when we address what happened here and going forward, we also better address, you know, how are things communicated up the chain of command and why when you know your clear eyed about the danger do you not ask have there been additional requests. In fairness, thats the point im making. I understand that. I understand clearly big mistakes were made here. No question of that. I thought Hillary Clinton made a good point. The more important thing now is there are 20 more embassies under direct threat at the moment. The more important thing is guaranteeing that lessons are learned and that these embassies are protected and theres no more loss of life and you would agree with that, right . I fully agree the whole goal of this is to make sure we get to the bottom of it so it doesnt happen again and also so that we make sure one of the things we learned as well is we had someone in custody in tunisia and that person has been release and we want to hold those accountable who committed these horrible murders on our people. Thank you for joining me. I want to bring in two people at odds on this. Former assistant secretary of state for secretary clinton and host of the radio talk show host of the dana show. Let me start with you. Im getting weary with the relentless attacks first on susan rice and now on Hillary Clinton. Theres a whisper to it and its getting, i think, washington orientated rather than in the National Interest of america. What do you think . I think there are legitimate questions that still need to be answered. As Hillary Clinton said today, the fbi is still working on the investigation. Director mueller was in libya and tunisia recently. I get disappointed when people give half of the story. The guy has been released. As Hillary Clinton said today, yes, but hes under constant surveillance within tunisia and following the rule of law and as more evidence becomes available, they are prepared to act on him again. I think as Hillary Clinton said dramatically, our focus here now is to bring these guys to justice but also to understand benghazi in the context of whats happening over the last few days to understand the evolving threat from al qaeda and to deal appropriately with that. Dana loesch there were phone calls today that they would have been fired. Do you agree with that . There were a lot of missteps here. We do know that you had said that there was a whisper of questioning susan rice and secretary of state clinton. I dont think asking questions on why talking points were changed, we know for sure the u. S. Intelligence report came out and said extremists that led the attack had al qaeda ties. Why was that removed . Who removed it . Who was in charge of manipulating these talking points. These are questions i wish would have been asked today. Okay. Thats fine. If youre going to take the argument that anyone guilty of misreading intelligence and so on should actually be fired, where would that leave someone like Condoleezza Rice who was a fine Public Servant in many ways but made big mistakes in the buildup to the iraq war and many other members of the Bush Administration. Where do you take that line of political argument . Should everyone be fired any time intelligence turns out to not be quite right . I dont think you can compare what happened during the Bush Administration with whats happening right now. Why not . We cant use blanket standard of measures. This is the dick durbin argument from earlier today when he was questioning secretary of state clinton. Whats the difference . The bottom line is, there are questions that need to be asked. They werent asked. Youre not suggesting this as serious as going to war over a completely false pretext of weapons of mass destruction that turned out not to exist. Goodness, are we going to relitigate this right now . Really . How do you explain how millions of citizens in iraq and millions of kurds were gassed if that wasnt a weapons of mass destruction . We can relitigate this six ways to sunday. It turned out that american and British Forces went to war on false pretext from both their governments. Are we going to talk about the bush years or what happened in benghazi . Do you not think that its legitimate to ask who manipulated these talking points . I think there are many legitimate questions. I simply think there has to be lets talk about those. It has to be proportionate and republicans have to remember they themselves made some catastrophic errors when it came to intelligence and i dont remember people demanding they get fired or anyone losing their jobs over it. P. J. Crawley, do you believe that at any stage either susan rice or Hillary Clinton has deliberately lied or deliberately misled the American People . I think its a serious charge and a false charge. For americans died in benghazi. We need to understand what happened there. I think its important to put this in context. After 9 11 we declared war on al qaeda and that conflict is still going on. You have to put what happened in benghazi and whats happening in algeria in the broader struggle context that started in afghanistan and spread to iraq and is in yemen and pakistan and other places. We tend to understand that when soldiers go to war, they die in service to our country and were grateful that they do that. Once the conflict ends, were left with fragile states with challenging situations and poor, weak governments and thats the construct that Chris Stevens willingly walked into because he understood that as we see a libya or egypt or tunisia or yemen move forward, the United States has to be there. While there were mistakes made and undere undermalgss we cant it to zero. Chris stevens understood the situation in benghazi better than anyone else and decided to be there and we should be grateful for his service and his sacrifice. The biggest mistake was putting susan rice on that sunday morning on television with what turned out to be wrong intelligence when they didnt need to go that fast. Thats probably as much the medias fault for demanding that they do that kind of thing. I think everyone is culpable here. Lets take a break and well come back and talk about two more hot button topics, guns in america and women on the front line. 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Our journey is not complete until all our children from the streets of detroit to the quiet lanes of newtown know that they are cared for and cherished and always safe from harm. President obama raised the issue of guns in america in his inauguration speech. Dana, when we spoke last about guns it got fiery as it has done throughout this debate. The thing i was disappointed in you about was not the specifics of the individual proposals but the fact that you blanket said you wouldnt endorse anything he said about any type of gun control. Now you have time to think about that. Was there nothing that the president came out with any of the 23 executive orders or other proposals that you could at least consider . Well, one of the interesting things about this, piers, is you asked me if i liked any of these. Several of these 23 executive actions that the president had actually proposed are actions that democrats have actively ridiculed for four years. Including nra. Why would you not like background checks . Who said i didnt like background checks . Hold on. I asked you last time is there anything in this that you liked. And then you said there was nothing. Now you said you may like background checks. Did you mislead me last time . Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me tell you what i think instead of you putting words into my mouth. The executive actions, these executive actions that the president listed, these 23 actions, arent going to do anything to curb violence. The thing that struck me as being most ironic is two of these its nonsense. Its not. I would love for you to prove you dont think having background checks of gun sales i didnt say anything about background checks. Youre the one that keeps bringing up background checks. Do you realize they wouldnt have done anything for sandy hook. They wouldnt have done anything for Virginia Tech. Th its not because the law failed. Its because people who are supposed to follow the law failed. I put this question for you again. What good are laws if people dont follow them . Right. So you still maintain that we have to put more and more guns out there and america will be safer . I dont maintain anything. You can put words into my mouth all you want to. Do you believe that . Let me tell you something. Do you believe more guns would lead to less gun crime . Let me answer you. I am never, ever going to do anything that is going to somehow limit someones ability to protect themselves. And speaking as someone who has had to deal with this, let me tell you something. Ive been in the situation where ive had to protect myself. I have two children. Ive had my life threatened. Ive had my childrens lives threatened. I went to the police. I went to security. Do you know what you know what they told me . They said the best thing you can do is to get a firearm and to get a conceal carry license. Thats what Law Enforcement told me. I dont want to remove that right from anyone else. Thats not what were debating. Heres the interesting thing about this debate. It always gets reframed by gun rights lobby as an attack on Second Amendment and constitution. No one will tolerate any kind of talk that removes any guns whatsoever and last time i spoke to dana we were talking about the ar15, military assault rifle. Heres a clip of what this weapon actually does. We found one firing 15 bullets in six seconds. Watch this. Now, you can modify them to fire up to 100 in one minute and my point that i keep putting to everyone that doesnt want any sort of control on guns is what would a civilian need a weapon like that for . P. J. , have you heard any convincing argument as to why that kind of weapon should remain in civilian hands . Well, no. However, i would suggest we have to turn the issue around. If guns is an impossible frame with which to make political progress, lets change that frame slightly. You go back to newtown and you had very significant weapons. Military style weapons in the hands of an angry young man who had obviously some kind of mental disorder. We have to make a commitment that the answer cant be we cant do anything but then we have to come together and have a sensible conversation not unlike the country had in the aftermath of 9 11 through an inspired Bipartisan Commission of some kind, okay, what can we do that makes sense . If we get to a point that we make sure that some guns are prevented from getting in the hands of angry, young men with mental disorders, that in fact will be progress and that could potentially prevent Something Like what happened in newtown or columbine or Movie Theater in aurora. The real issue is what can we do and we need sensible people to come together and have a conversation rather than saying, no, no, no, nothing will change. Just turning to the women in combat debate today. Leon panetta ending the Exclusion Order against women operating in combat in the american military. What did you make of that, p. J. . As you look at war, you know, theres no difference anymore in the current way that wars are fought between the front lines and the rear guard. Women have been in combat. They were in combat in iraq because the battlefield had changed so dramatically. I think this is a ratification of the way that the modern military goes to war. We should never put anyone in harms way who is not able to cope with those difficult and challenging circumstances. By the same token weve had circumstances where women have been in combat but in aftermath are not given the same recognition or have the same potential for advancement because what they did was not called combat. So i think this removes a false barrier and just says that for the modern military whoever can do these kind of jobs and wants to step forward, thank you for your service and go ahead. I agree. Youve been vocal on twitter today about this. Heres my surprise. You want to be armed to the teeth as a civilian marching around with your ar15s but you dont want to see female soldiers in the line of combat. Theres a contradiction there. I would say the contradiction exists with you. You are fine with women defending their families on the front line but apparently not at home either. Hang on. Dana, dana, dana, you cant keep repea

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