Radical and illegal immigration measures. Sources tell cnn mr. Trump encouraged the head of customs protection to block Asylum Seekers to enter the u. S. Telling him he would grant him a pardon if he went to jail. Ill be getting reaction from tim ryan. First to cnn white house correspondent. Democrats say the president wants to use undocuments immigrants as political pawns. What is the president saying . Reporter the president sees it as punishment. Today we heard it from him for the first time publicly. This idea that the president sees it as a punishment to his political rivals on capitol hill. He has been told by doj lawyers this isnt feasible and there would be legal repuercussions i the president followed through but that didnt to him from leaving it on the table. We can give them an unlimited supply. Reporter . Is touting a proposal to place undocumented immigrants in sanctuary cities. Shattering his own administrations denial of the policy. Well give them to the sanctuary cities to take care of. Reporter trump making the threat in person after tweeting earlier that because democrats are unwilling to change our dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in sanctuary cities only. The white house said the idea was briefly raised and quickly rejected. No one at i. C. E. Was pressured by anyone atfully time. Sources tell cnn the president pushed former Homeland Security secretary to carry out the proposal. She resisted and the plan was scrapped for legal reasons. This is an outrageous abuse of power and public resources. Reporter the president s warning coming as cnn has learned that during his trip to the border last week, trump told the acting dhs secretary that he were jailed or face legal issues because he blocked migrants from entering the u. S. , he would pardon him. Its unclear if trump meant it as a joke. The episode reveals the boundaries the president is willing to push to stop a recent rise in immigration numbers making his frustration clear today. They dont agree we might as well do what they say they want. Reporter news of the sanctuary city proposal infuriated democrats today. Suggest another notion that is that is unworthy of the presidency of the United States. Reporter a spokesman for nancy pelosi who is from one of the highest profile sanctuary cities in california saying in statement the extent of this administrations cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated. Using human beings, including little children, as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable and in some cases criminal. Trump seemed to relish the outrage from democrats. Lets see if they are so happy. Lets see if they have open arms. Reporter the drama comingei amid an upheaval at dhs. A border official announcing starting today they will release immigrants in el paso to local operation because i. C. E. Is at capacity and six of the major border check points are under staffed because agents are being sent to parts of the border that have facing a surge in migrants. The president has made clear he thinks the sanctuary city proposal would be a punishment for democrats. The mayor of philadelphia, which is considered a sanctuary city said in statement that he believes his city would welcome all migrants with open arms and he believes the latest proposal from the Trump White House reveals quote, the utter contempt they have for basic human dignity. He added it shows the president s quote desire to flout the rule of law to appease his political base. Thank you for the report. Breaking news on the Mueller Report with the redacted version expected to be released within day, the Deputy Attorney general is speaking out about what the report will reveal. Lets bring in cnn justice reporter. What did Rod Rosenstein say today . Justice officials have been pretty tight lipped about this report. Its a very closely guarded secret. Only a handful of official vs seen the report. A private luncheon in washington, rosenstein decided to break his silence. He gave an interview trying to defend the attorney generals handling of the report. He told the group the report will answer question questions on cyber crimes. What he was trying to convey is the work election interference was investigated. It was charged and we havent seen russians come to court. He was trying don ining convey mission was satisfied. There was nothing there. There was no there there. He seems to be saying wait a minute. What i set out to do and what i instructed Robert Mueller to do he accomplished. Very interesting. I want to ask you about this unusual moment where sitting federal judge launched an attack against a sitting president. Lets listen. When politicians attack the courts, its dangerous. Guilty and over reach. You can hear the kla flrns law lawyers across the south. You can hear them smearing the judiciary for upholding the rights of black folk. Were playing this because its extraordinary. There is really rare to have a sitting federal judge take aim at the president. He doesnt mention trump directly by flame but its unmistakable who he is talking about. Hes referencing tweets by flame. This is judge reeves in mississippi. He talked about how hes received hate mail for some of his own decisions and really disturbed by what he sees as the bullying from the executive branch. He thinks it undermines the rule of law. He was disturbed by how trump went after the judge attacking himheritage. Hes saying this is not okay. Its really disturbing. Will he suffer any consequences . Nope. Thank you so much. Joining me congressman and democratic president ial candidate tim ryan. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I want to ask you about your run for president in a moment. I do want to begin with our new reporting from our jake tapper. According to a Senior Administration official, the president told the commissioner of the customs and Border Protection that he would pardon him if he ever went to jail for breaking the law at the president s direction. This was after the president had told Border Agents they should break the law to keep migrants out of the country. Is that an impeachable offense, dama dangling that pardon and telling the head to break the law . I dont know what the evidence is. It doesnt surprise me but it is clearly an abdication of the responsibilities of the president of the United States to ask someone to break the law. The other piece what the sanctuary city, same thing. They have gotten legal recommendations that would be a violation of the law as well. Here we have the president on two occasions recommending to hi underling that they break the law. Its unbelievable. Will Congress Investigate this . Im sure we will. Im sure we will. For the people out there who dont want us investigating and want us to get back to work and im one of them. When the president of the United States is doing things like this, the congress has the responsibility, the obligation, the duty, institutional duty to provide oversight. We dont have a king in the United States. We have an elected president. The power rests with the people and they have an obligation to look into these kinds of things. The president confirmed today another big story that we have been covering. Hes considering releasing detained immigrants into sangts cities across the country. These are cities, states even where democrats are in power. This is for political retaliation. Do you take this as something the president will actually do . I think hell try. The lawyers have already told him, i think over a year ago, that would be illegal. As the mayor of philadelphia said, im sure some of these communities would be happy to take women and children who are fleeing. Here is the main point. Whats happening in Central America has been happening for several years. The president of the United States has failed to pick up his Daily Briefing where he finds out about hot spots around the world and recognize that we have a problem in Central America. He takes four hours of executive time. Hes on the golf course. We dont have an ambassador in honduras. He wants to cut the state department by 500 million. We need to be engaged in these countries before these problems get to our borders. The president has failed to address these basic problems. We dont have an ambassador in venezuela either. We wonder why things are spinning out of control. We have a responsibility in the United States to protect the American People and that means solving problems in Central America before they get to our borders and we have to have these kind of discussions that were having right now. I want to talk about a premeppr apprehensions at the southern boarder. They climbed dramatically since this time last year. Its stunning. The president is trying to say the democrats are coming around to his view of there being a crisis at the border. Do you think theres a crisis and what do you say to the president saying that democrats are coming around to his thinking . Well, the president has been the president for over two years. He had a Republican House and a Republican Senate for two years. He did not solve these problems. Now hes saying there is a crisis at the border. The problems are coming out of Central America. This is the main point. The American People want the president of the United States to solve problems before they get to our border. Before they make it to the nightly news. Do you think this is a crisis . Well, when your customs and border principal facilities are getting over run, we do have an issue that we have to deal with. If it is crisis, it should not be politicized and used for political gain to try to punish democrats or act like a juvenile when dealing with these important problems. These are human beings. These are moms with kids. Do you think the word crisis has become politicized in way its difficult to use . The president clearly wants to escalate the situation so he can come in and look like hes the guy protecting americans. What im saying is, its inhumane what were doing. Were separating kids from their parents. We should not be doing that. These are moms and kids coming into our country because they have nowhere else to go. Every one should look at whats happening in honduras and guatemala. Gangs are running the country. Youre running for president. Yeah. What would your plan be to fix this . Well, it would start with having ambassador in honduras. Have somebody that represents the United States of america on the ground in these countries to prevent this from happening in the first place. Get revenue, get money. Get investments down there to make sure were stabilizing the countries. Gangs are going to homes and saying we want to take your daughter and put him in a sex trade and put your son in a gang. If you dont, you would do it. Every one of these listeners watching your show would do it. They send their kids with somebody out of the country because they are going to get killed. We need to be down there fixing these problems. We dont have to fix everything in the country but we have to stabilize so people arent coming in mass to the United States. Thats the responsibility of the president. I would have an aggressive plan in Central America to make that happen. There are 18 democrats and counting, it seems like by the day running in this field. How do you differentiate yourself . How will you make yourself stand out . I can beat donald trump. I can win pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin. More than that i will have our country prepared to compete in the new economy. I understand the old economy. Whats happened in places like youngstown, ohio with steel and auto and coal. I know the future. Its e llectricvehicles. Its solar. Its wind. I want those things manufactured in the United States. Ill have a Strong Industrial policy in the United States to make sure we bring jobs back here and create new ones and cut the workers in on the deal. Congressman tim ryan, thank you for joining us. Thank you. If anybody thinks that makes my sense, they can go to timry timryanforamerica. Com. More on whether the president was breaking the law when he dangled a pardon in front of a top immigration official. We have new details why Actress Lori Loughlin is fighting the charges. Her daughter is said to be devastated. 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Its not clear if he was joking but if hes doing this, dangling a pardon for someone who would break the law, is that against the law . I mean its a fair question but its hard to know because were sort of operating without all the facts. Take for the idea he was serious, i think i it raises tough question because even the attorney general bill barr said if you do a pardon for somebodys silence, that would be against the law. That would be obstruction of justice. He said it might be a political question as opposed to a prosecution against a sitting president. It raises tough questions. I think its disturbing we only hear about these stories sort of from the perspective of what trump said instead of what the official said back to him in response to what could be a legal request. Are they rebuffing him . Are they saying i cant . When you think about the risks of this, its a system thats in place. What are the risks of that . Its a piece thats not a system. Youre sitting across from the president of the United States and he says i want you to do this, there is a tremendous amount of pressure to do this. The risk is that somebody will do it. If you look at the first people in place in the cabinet, mattis, he was a pro. Tillerson. Thats pro. As he moves to second, third, fourth tier people, you will get people who arent pros. They will say i dont have as much experience, maybe i should do this. Thats the problem. What do you think about that with the people hes surrounded by right now and the risks of somebody happening because he is encouraged. This desire when he tweets. Heads are clearly rolling over at dhs now. Hes pushing out a whole bunch of high ranking officials. Beyond the experience that the agencies lose when these bureaucrats that have been there for years, it sends a message is that is you got to be any yes man or your head be roll. Its clearly concerning. We can see so many people who are the acting. He has so many actings. Have you ever seen anything like this, ryan . No. Just to answer the other question, the break cant be people in the federal branch. It has to come from people he might listen to. Thats republicans in congress. Until republicans in congress are as outraged by this stuff as democrats, people in the press are, there is not going to be any retreat by trump. Thats what enables him. We know what he is like. We know what his instingtcts ar. Hes not bound by the law. Theres repeated stories of him pushing Administration Officials to do things not within the law. His own party has to care about this. You broke the story the president was considering releasing detained immigrants into sanctuary cities. The president himself, after white house tried four cold water on it, the president confirming he is actively considering that. You come from congress. When you hear ryan saying until republicans are as upset about this and the president is getting some push back, where are they on this story that you broke and this other one about damage li i dangling the pardon . It will be interesting to watch. Clearly silence now. Its clear the agencies are sending a distress signal. They are starting to talk to us and reporters. They are laying out concerns. Two whistle blowers went to congress and said the president wants us to move these detainees to Nancy Pelosis district for political retribution. Not only do they have legal issues but it makes no sense for them. They have a crisis at the border. They have to take money and time to move these people and top official who is have a reput