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Fiona hill, she was the former top russia expert on the National Security council testified the president s National Security advisor spent a lot of time trying to debunk these spir theories, that the president swallowed about ukraine, it was ukraine not russia, interfering in the 2016 election and ukraine was doing so to hurt trump, to help hillary clinton. How concerning is that, given the consensus in the u. S. Intelligence community that it was russia. The president of the United States has been struggling with this issue for a long time, because when it came out with clearer evidence from all of our intelligence agencies that russia was involved, in the 2016 election, i think the president has been suffering from a real problem whether or not he was elected legitimately to the presidency. Thats bothered him. It continues to bother him. When he was offered this false bit of information that somehow it wasnt russia but it was the ukraine that was involved, he went right at that to try to see if that could not be investigated in order to prove somehow that it wasnt the russians but the ukrainians that did that. This is a problem in this white house, there is nobody willing to stand up and say to the president of the United States, dont do this. This not right. We have clear evidence that the russians did this. What youre doing is wrong. Its violating the law. And you shouldnt be even thinking getting involved in this kind of bribery. Instead, the president went off and did this on his own and now suffering the consequences. Secretary panetta, as usual, thanks so much for joining us. Good to be with you. Breaking news next. John boltons lawyer now says the former National Security advisor has direct information very relevant to the impeachment were. 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The reality is we dont know more exactly what john bolton has. His lawyer says he has firsthand knowledge of some meetings and conversations that were had with President Trump. So, that is the key here. But we also know he is not going to comply and go forth until there is a judge that makes a rule in this legal fight between the white house and the house right now. What do you make of the bolton lawyer . I think john bolton is a very interesting character here simply because we dont know where he will land on the question of whether or not this is perhaps an impeachable thing. He could very well complicate the picture for the democrats, come in and say, look, i was unhappy with what Rudy Guilliani was doing. I thought that was a very bad thing, that guiliani was playing role here. In the end, its the president s foreign policy. He can do whatever he wants. Keep in mind, john bolton is no friend of democrats. Over the years theyve treated him very badly. If i were the democrats i would not assume john bolton is going to come in and deliver the punch that they want against the president of the United States. Kaitlyn, the two transcripts released by these two senior white house officials stay the acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney was directly involved in establishing the quid pro quo. Would mulvaney do that without getting authorization or direction from the president . Its really hard to understand how he would if you understand the power dynamics. He is not the chief of staff who acts unilaterally. He doesnt have a lot of power at all. Interesting to see he and bolton with this feud over the aid, bolton wanted it released and mulvaney fighting hard against it. These transcripts reveal a lot more information about how these officials testifying were under the impression it was mulvaney signing off on this and if he is, the chief of staff you believe what he says he wants is what the president wants. Those are the questions only fueled by this that the democrats will have. Not likely we will hear from mulvaney because hes not showing up on capitol hill. He defied a subpoena, mulvaney, and a bunch of others. Well put some up, to testify later this week. What do you make of that . Congress made a strike choice. Adam schiffs Committee Said we are going fullspeed ahead and not going to take the time to go to court to force people to testify. What that means in practical terms these people have a free pass not to testify. No court will force them to do it and no contempt proceedings. It may be the Judiciary Committee adds an article of impeachment citing the president for the failure of his staff to cooperate. These individuals themselves, they really have a pass here because congress is moving fast and they dont want to wait for the courts to operate. The former jim bakker and fbi general council, what do you make of all these witnesses not coming forward, defying these subpoenas and how will that play in the impeachment inquiry . In terms of them doing this and proceeding in the way theyre doing it. It makes sense. A prudent legal strategy from their perspective. They dont want to get in trouble with congress and trying to protect the president obviously. The ones who decided to go to court, it makes sense and will relieve them of legal exposure with obstruction of congress. With respect to obstruction of congress, as jeffrey was saying, thats what the president will get hit with. The articles of impeachment. Exactly. The articles with respect to president nixon. He, the president , is deciding for himself what the house needs in order to conduct their constitutionally authorized impeachment activity. For democrats, its really important youre getting a very good picture what mulvaney was up to and bolton thought and multiple witnesses what bolton was saying. I think for the democrats, theyre getting a lot already from the people that are showing. Trump said today he would be fine with mulvaney Going Forward and didnt want to set a bad precedent. Thats not the feeling inside the white house. Remember the briefing mulvaney made admitting the quid pro quo in front of reporters and not so sure it would be good for him to go. And it would be lively. Following breaking news in roger stones criminal trial in washington. Steve bannon testified today. Ce. Where people go to learn about their Medicare Options before theyre on medicare. Come on in. Youre turning 65 soon . Yep. And youre retiring at 67 . Thats the plan its also a great time to learn about an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by Unitedhealthcare Insurance Company. Heres why. 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Key witnesses against the prosecution. One of the key witnesses, about the communications the campaign had, he as the ceo had with roger stone as the wikileaks stuff started lighting up, people started gaining interest in it. What he said was roger stone was pedaling himself as the man who had access to wikileaks, had connections inside wikileaks to get them some of this information ahead of time perhaps so they could know what was coming. That was an important part of his testimony. He said he spoke to roger stone during this period, close to it, nearly a dozen times. Funny, perhaps, he called roger stone an expert in opposition. Interestingly enough he did say, this is a guy who knows how to do dirty tricks, so when youre down in a campaign, this is the kind of information you would want. A key witness certainly for the government. It gives us the first and the government the first opportunity to have someone understand that was attached to the campaign to say, yeah, we were interested in what wikileaks was doing and interested in what roger stone was doing, and important part of the governments case. Steve bannon did not show up voluntarily . He did not. He made it a point. That was the first question the government asked him and he said he did not come there voluntarily and this is what he said outside court. I was compelled to testimony like when i was under subpoena by mueller and the house. I got a handwritten subpoena in my house assume. I was forced to go to the grand jury and forced and compelled to come here today. This is an important point for steve bannon to make. People close to him kept telling us he was not coming here voluntarily. Only going to come if he was subpoenaed, so he did. He was forced to come in. He didnt testify for very long, about 40 minutes. It was striking how many times he wanted to make it clear he was not there voluntarily. This trial could go on a couple weeks . Yes. The trial resumes on tuesday, rick gates. That will really show us how many contacts and how much interest the campaign had in r