Saying the Gay Community wont rest until, quote, there are no more churches. Governor huckabee thanks for being here and happy easter. Michael, great to be with you. Thank you very much. Happy easter to you. Thank you, sir. So the question of the week should the baker have to bake the cake for the gay couple . Well i think the question is really whether or not a person of conscience is able to say no to something. This is not about discrimination. Its about discretion. The fact is if the baker said no you cant come into my shop you cant eat a cupcake, im not going to serve you a doughnut thats discrimination. But if the baker is asked to do something that would require him to do something artistic that is not within his personal convictions, of course he should be able to say i can do this but i cant do that. That would be true for anyone. How would you distinguish that circumstance governor from the woolworths lunch counter circa 1960 with an africanamerican patron . Well i dont think theres any any comparison michael, and i think its a false parallel. In the first place, if a person walks into a lunch counter, he doesnt walk in saying im gay, dont serve me. Theres no one who is suggesting that a person is going to be turned away because of sexual preference. I mean i dont know of anybody who can say that thats happening in great numbers or at all, for that matter. What were talking about is whether people who have a business and are asked to participate in a Service Ceremony or something along the lines of that have the artistic freedom to decline. Try going to a muslim bakery and seeing whether or not they will do a samesex wedding cake. Its not just christians. But the issue is religious liberty, whether or not people have a right to believe what they want to believe, practice their faith, and not have the government come down on them and tell them they have to do something and beyond that to try to have people put them out of business because they dont agree with a particular view of marriage. I find that very strange that in america where were supposed to be tolerant and have diversity, this is intolerance and a lack of diversity and a push toward uniformity. Governor huckabee you said earlier this week it wont stop until there are no more churches and it occurred to me and i listened to the totality of that interview, that in this particular instance it wasnt the Lgbt Community that i think caused the reversal in both arkansas and indiana, but rather business interests. You know, traditionally republicans supporting business interests, whether its entities like walmart in your home state angies list in indiana. React to that alliance, the alliance between the gay, Lesbian Community and transgenders and those business entities that would have traditionally been in the chamber of commerce realm with the gop. Michael first of all, the reason those corporations put the pressure on indiana and arkansas was because to the militant Gay Community put the pressure on them. I found it a little hypocritical when you have Companies Even and i love walmart, big company in my home state, but they do business in china, for gosh sake. I dont think the chinese are exactly the paragone of human rights. Youve got apple computer. Theyre selling Apple Computers in saudi arabia. Is tim cook going to sell out of there . I dont think so. He doesnt mind making millions if not billions of dollars in cultures and countries where human rights are really an issue, and for anybody to try to draw some comparison between xa whats happening by not getting a wedding cake made and people having, you know their hands cut off or being hanged or in prison i mean thats i find that a stretch and i think these corporations really ought to either be consistent quit making money from these countries that are really oppressing human rights and quit bowing to the pressure and just sell their stuff. Thats what theyre in business for sell stuff. But thats the argument thats made from the other side about the baker and the florist and the candlestick maker. Youre in business to bake a cake. Just bake the cake and go home and be a good christian, whatever that means. A lot of people will do that michael. They will bake the cake. But shouldnt they have the discretion . Thats once again the issue. If they want to turn the business down theyre not turning down the business of being open being willing to serve any customer what theyve got on the shelf. Again, its the relation owls lib religious liberty when people are asked to do something which violates their conscience. The big confusion was it didnt guarantee the baker, the florist, the pizza maker was going to win. It just meant he would have a hearing in court. Over the 22 years that riffer has been in place, very few times has the religious objector even won. Im not sure why democrats loved riffer in 1993 and you had al gore and bill clinton trumpeting it as wonderful and Charles Schumer sponsoring it and 22 years later, because of political pressure now they run from something they once embraced. I find it hypocrital. Whats your opinion of the deal thats been announced, the parameters of the deal thats been announced with regard to iran . Very disappointing and very frightening. I think particularly for the stabilization of the middle east. Im not sure why we would ever think that negotiating with iran to begin with makes a whole lot of sense since theyve never kept a deal theyve ever made. For them to have nuclear even capability is illegal. For them to push that theyre going to end up with 6,000 centrifuges instead of 19,000 michael, its like giving a pyromaniac, you know 6,000 gallons of gasoline instead of 19,000. But hes still got a bunch of gasoline to start a fire. And youre talking about a country whose primary leader han erer who has been leading chants death to america and has vowed to wipe israel off the face of the map. Not exactly the kind of folks you want to sit down and make nice with and assume theyll keep their bargain. I dont think they will. President obama said there are three choices, one to negotiate a deal such as is now being put together two is to bomb iran three is to walk away from the table. First of all, are those the three options . And if so which does governor huckabee favor . Well the president has missed one. The fourth one, and one that was working, was to continue to put heavy saxnctions on them and bankrupt them force them to accept something other than now on their terms. I dont understand why we took p pressure off when the pressure was working. We really havent gotten much out of this deal michael. It doesnt sound to me like that anything is happening in tehran other than laughter but theres weeping in saudi arabia kuwait egypt, jordan and the rest of the middle east where they now understand that the americans have capitulated and will let iran move forward. Somebody who is a blogger made an observation this week that i thought was interesting, that theres been more pressure to put sanctions on indiana than on iran. I thought that was a pretty wise observation. Its been a real almost distraction from something that is a whole lot more significant in terms of our National Security than anything thats been occupying the front pages here. Governor i want to show you something that the president said this week and allow you to respond to it. Roll the tape please. So when you hear the inevitable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question do you really think that this verifiable deal if fully implemented, backed by the worlds major powers is a worse option than the risk of another war in the middle east . Whats your response to that, governor huckabee . First of all, im not sure how verifiable anything is with the iranians. If you think theyre going to let inspectors see everything you have a different view of the iranians than i do. And secondly the notion that the only option is either to bomb them and have a big war all over the middle east or let them have Nuclear Devices, if they get Nuclear Devices, do you think that theyre going to just sit there and hold them and not use them for some nefarious purpose . The same people who have already murdered americans, kidnapped americans, financed more terrorism around the world than anybody, funned hamas and hezbollah . These arent good people. So why do we expect something good from bad people . Were expecting good fruit from a bad tree and it rarely if ever will happen. I want to ask a question about your intentions with regard to 2016. First of all, are you prepared to make some news today . Will you say youre formally getting into this thing . Well lets hold off just a little while. Were working on the process and its coming along, but ive said all along it will be during the spring. So that gives me a few more weeks to finalize the decision. All right. While youre working on the process, ted cruz senator cruise is airing the first commercial of the 2016 cycle. Lets both take a look. Were it not for the transformative love of jesus christ i would have been raised by a single mom without my father in the house. Gods blessing has been on america from the very beginning of this nation. Over and over again when we face impossible odds the American People rose to the challenge. This is our fight. And that is why im running for president of the United States. Im ted cruz and i approve this message. Thats the type of a message that i anticipate coming from you and i think the problem politically is that its also the type of a message that i anticipate coming from senator santorum from ben carson from a number of individuals who are thinking of running ill say, for the republican nomination. Heres the question if youre all in are you guaranteeing the nomination of jeb bush . Oh i dont think so. I mean first of all, i dont remember doing many ads like that. I spoke a lot about joblessness, about the fact that people are working hard and getting further behind. I think the narrative on me is that the only support i had was evangelical evangelicals. Ive often said if all the evangelicals had supported me in a monolithic way, gosh i would have been the nominee. I had workingclass people who were the rankandfile, sort of nuts and bolts of my 2008 campaign, and i would suspect that a lot of the support that im going to have are going to be those same kind of people. Many of them yeah sure, many are people of faith, but not all of them and a lot of them are just workingclass people who feel like theyve been left behind and while the economy is supposedly recovering according to washington its certainly not recovering for a lot of people across america who are lifting heavy things every day. Governor huckabee thanks for your time. Michael, great to be with you again. Thank you. 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Thats how one official described the horrific crash of Germanwings Flight 9525 and now we know new details about the copilots deadly path of destruction. Investigators say that he purposely used the controls to speed up the planes descent. Officials also say that the 28yearold researched ways to commit suicide and cockpit Door Security in the days before the crash. Investigators are also taking a closer look at mobile phones found at the crash site. Joining me now is psychiatrist dr. Gail soughts and former faa safety inspector david soucy. Okay you two. You know i have my questions. You do. Doctor eight Straight Days of doing Online Research sound like a chroniced is dal idkronchronic Suicidal Ideation and not a fleeting thought. Is that typical . Its not typical mass murder. This doesnt even fit the picture of depression and justed is just ed is dal ideation. Some who think about suicide do think about it for a while, plan and for some its an impulsive act. This sound like a planned act which makes us think about whether if there had been an evaluation present or some way to let doctors be able to communicate for effectively this kwoufb could have been prevent. How does this fit with the diagnosis of depression . It doesnt. Most people who are depressed, if theyre going to harm themselves harm only themselves they do not kill a large group of people. So this really doesnt fit. What does it fit with . You have to think about sociopathy somebody who just had a plan they wanted to be infamous they wanted to be important, they wanted to hurt others and were willing to take themselves with that plan. And you also have to think about another diagnosis, which no ones mentioned, and that is bipolar disorder. That is because when you look at his age and past depression one possibility is he wasnt just depressed when he was actually hatching bipolar disorder and an episode of brewing mania or hypomania. People can become at high risk for suicide anded a high risk for simply risky ventures. David sousy, speeding up upon descent descent. How would that have felt in the cabin . Well at that point, in the sense, it would have been they would have definitely known whats going on. They would have heard the engines spooling up higher. They would have felt the Actual Movement back in the seat because of the way he did it. He increased the speed very rapidly, and he did it twice. So he did that by adjusting the speed. Theres three different controls that he can adjust, the descent, the speed, and the altitude of the descent as well. So its tragic. It could have been noticeable. This black box when they found it actually was black because it was submerged eight inches in the soil. And my understanding is that it was detected by Law Enforcement on a second goaround. I remember from many of our conversations about mh370 how in water the black boxes were emitting a signal. Why isnt that done in this kind of circumstance . It really should be. The difference in water is the fact that it could be pretty much anywhere because of the drift and the float. And the idea here is that when the impact happens its a heavy box, lit go directly towards and real close to the actual impact spot. So typically its easy to find. Im not sure why they department use a metal detector in this sense because a massive piece of stainless steel like that or steel itself would have been noticeable with a metal detector. Youd look at all this metal and think that doesnt make sense, but most of the metal around there is aluminum which wouldnt be picked up by the detector. Im surprised they didnt catch it on first pass. What else is this black box going to tell us . Itll tell us a number of things. What im hopeful is it will also tell us whether or not the switch was depressed and held in the down position. One of the thins that still remains in my mind a question is did the pilot have access, did the system work where you put in the code and the door opens . Because there was no buzzer that went off, which is part of that system. So if it did not go off, then that means he was depressing that switch down. If we can conclude ha the switch was depressed, then we dont have to look any further into the door system to see fit worked properly but if it didnt work properly that needs to be fixed. And the flight data recorder will tell us if that happened or not. Doctor 30 seconds left. Might medication strbhave been a trigger . In some cases when someone is depressed or manic and you give them many medication and its in the early stage, it can energize them actually aid in hatching a plan. I dont want to blame suicide on medication because it is critical and very helpful for many people but in materialiest stages of medication someone should be monitored closely because there can be some increased risk. Dr. Salts, david soucie thank you both. Now that a frame swoshg in place to stop Irans Nuclear program, president obama has the tough task of trying to sell the deal to those oppose it. One of those voices is the first navy s. E. A. L. In the congress. Hes passionate about why he feels iran cannot be trusted. And as the final four get ready to battle it out, the ncaa says in response to a lawsuit its not our job to ensure educational quality. Youre about to meet a man who gives new definition to the word studentathlete. And then i saw him slowly coming down the aisle. One of those guys who just cant stop talking. I was downloading a movie. I was trying to download a movie. I have verizon. I dont. I get that little spinning wheel. Download didnt finish. 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