Policies, it has since been removed from his social media. It said this presumably. Thats what led to this incident of the senator then being egged while defending his words. But steven, my caller, called the politicians words courageous. Quite honestly, and in no way shape or formal i justifying or approving of this attack, but this is what happens when you push a population to the breaking point. In my response, i said he was defending the conduct of likely someone mentally ill. He disagreed. He is absolutely not mentally ill. He made a conscious decision to say i am not going to allow my nation to be taken over by these muslim invaders. The call immediately alarmed me. I program is not a clearinghouse for hatred, nor do i censor. I rode what we called the dump button as he spoke. I let him continue. All told, the conversation lasted nearly three minutes. I told him i found his phone call frightening. He said this. People are going to take the law into their own hands because theyre not going to be replaced. Now in no way, shape or form, am i one of these guys. I dont want the fbi out on me. This is my opinion. White men are not going to take it any more. Thank you, steven, maybe to my detriment, i allowed you to express it. I keep thinking about that calm. I just keep rung it through in my mind. I dont regret taking it. Those feelings are out there. They need to be exposed. They have given rise to populism around the globe. Dont take my word for it. Take Hillary Clintons. In an interview with the g guardian last year, she sa. She said this shes not alone in recognizing how the rise of populism, mostly right leaning, is the most important european Political Development of the 21st century. Wonderful gallston, a very fellow at Brookings Institution and wall street journal columnist wrote last year, quote, left unaddressed, the rise of antiimmigrant, antiinternationalist sentiment, which has solicited the political balance within europe, could have grave consequences for liberal democracy, itself. Its hard to have this conversation, especially after such bloodshed, some will hear justification. Nothing could be further from the truth. Only a hatefilled lunatic would do who just occurred in new zealand. We need to recognize the White Nationalism that drove this killer also exists among others, like my caller stephen, who says he has no murderous intention, but he has political will. A desire to maintain the status quo. Sentiments like those that fuel both brexit and the rise of donald trump, the same President Trump who yesterday said he doesnt see White Nationalism as a rising threat. But fear is driving the rise of white ring populism around the globe. Not all populism is White Nationalism. White nationalism is a subset of populism. Its a movement that will continue to spread until World Leaders address the sorts of policy concerns Hillary Clinton was referencing to the requested guardian. Migration, immigration, national identity. Ironically, those conversations were made all the more difficult by the White Nationalist gunman in new zealand. Go to my website smerconish. Com, answer this question. Does White Nationalism pose a threat to liberal democracy . Joining me now to discuss is kaz irka kazir con, he is the farm of the captain killed in 24 and made a speech at the Democratic National convention waving the constitution at President Trump and subsequently wrote the book, an american family, a memoir of hope and sacrifice, mr. Khan, thank you so much for coming back to the program. What should i have said about this caller who wanted to speak about populism and tie it to his immigration concerns . Well, fear of immigrants. Let me add to that. At this moment, there are reportedly 70 Million People in the pipeline of immigration from east to west. I would have asked him what is causing this immigration. Wars. Destablevation. Where west has its hands in those countries, causing this immigration. Climate change is causing the immigration. This halfbaked thinking about the immigration is nothing but hatred towards immigrants, hatred towards others. Its the same hate that caused the attack on Mother Emanuel Church in south carolina, killed black americans. Then tree of life attack, then, of course, new zealand attack and other attacks burning peoples places of worship, our condolences to all of the victims of this violence. Violence is no solution. I, after i spoke at the convention, i received and continue to receive thousands of letters of encouragement, one letter stands out that i must mention, a small paragraph from that. That has the answer to your question that should raise you could have raised and its written by a retired army nurse. She served in combrurp aeurope last assignment was if germany. She writes to us, saying, mr. Con, continmr. Khan, continue to speak against this hatred of immigrants and others and faith communities. It was exactly the same circumstances, same rhetoric that caused the second world war. The atrocities that were committed by these nazis and neonazis against the humanity. You a decent people of america must continue to speak, all decent people of the world continue to speak against this hatred. We do not look deeper into what is causing this immigration. You ask the immigrants in the process, will you rather be . They will tell you that they would rather be at home with their families, where they were born, where they would like to live, but it is the distabilization caused by the west throughout the world. It is that, that is causing this immigration and this hatred. This White Supremacy. This evil of our time is exploiting that this immigration and that issue to their advantage to dispute hate and to create division. I would go this far at this time around those who do not wish america well, those who are against the unity of the United States, they have their hands in destabilizing american democracy, western democracy. Its their hand that is stroking this hatred, they are stroking this chaos in the western world, in the democratic world against democracies. This is too deep and one warning to the communities of the faith is that, please protect yourself. This menace is not going away, up until it is defeated, up until it is put to rest, we must protect ourselves, our places of worship, our places of gathering. There is nothing wrong with that. And the finally i would say this, that this menace in the west, in United States, must be defeated at the ballot box. In United States, it rolls its ugly head in 2016 by the election of this most bigoted candidate then and now as the president. It must be defeated at the ballot box and forever so it never rises again. This is not first time it has happened in the mccarthy era. Mr. Khan. Yes. I said in my comment airplane that not all populism is White Nationalism but White Nationalism is a subset of populism. Politicians around globe are doing quite well riding on a wave of populism. How do we distinguish between the two . Well, look, populism is, as you said, is a part of this nationalism. It is a sentiment. It is a sentiment of the people that express that i dont agree we that. I respectfully disagree we that. It is what is causing the populism is the sentiment against other and against what we are not familiar with, with others, with other faiths, with other creeds, with other nationalities. So we are using this moment this conversation to further our own agend agenda. Mr. Kahn, thank you for coming back to the program. Thank you. I will read some responses throughout the course of the program. Smerconish, your caller steven shouldnt surprise you, americas wellkept secret is getting eyes and ear itself on it. Hey, palm, i want to expose the sentiments of stevens out there. Steven might not be acting on a murderous rage. I would imply he was, i am saying the same sentiments that are running through his mind are the types that were acted on by that gunman in new zealand and politically speaking, we need to assess the political dynamics thats giving rise to politicians all around the globe based on those sentiments. I want to know what you think, go to my smerconish. Com. Does White Nationalism pose a threat to liberal democracy . Up ahead, while donald trump is popular among republicans, my next guest is exploring that possibility. Bill weld the former governor and libertarian Vice President candidate. 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My next guest hopes so, much has been made of the fact the president is supported by 90 of self identifying republicans, but in a repeat cnn poll of iowa voters. 40 of registered republicans hope there had been a primary challenge to the president. 41 do not. Not exactly a promising sign for an incumbent. It means there can be an opening for strength. One notable combatant has stretched into the breach and formed an exploratory committee. The later u. S. Assistant attorney for the Dojs Criminal Division and ran as Gary JohnsonsVice President in the Libertarian Party ticket. There is Something Else timely about bill welds bid, he was once Robert Muellers boss. Hey, governor, welcome back. What was it like to be muellers boss . It was terrifying. He is so well informed and thorough you just hesitated to even make any editorial comment. Let me ask you something, michael. I think i heard it said on the show a few moments ago, that President Trump yesterday expressed the thought. What itself so terrible about this idea of White Nationalism or White Supremacy . I think he has expressed similar thoughts in the past. It lies in my mind that a few weeks ago, a republican congressman from iowa was stripped of his Committee Assignments for saying exactly the same thing. If thats true, whats going on here . I got the clip, i think. If so, katherine, can we run what the government is referencing and let everybody else see it . Maybe not. White nationalism is a rising threat around the world . I dont think really. Its a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. I guess if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps thats a case. I dont know enough about it yet. Theyre just learning about the person and the people involved. But its certainly a terrible thing. A terrible thing. What is it governor that we should do as a result of go ahead. I think the president s early connections with charlottesville, same point. What is this all about . Is the intention to win or politically speaking to beat him up so he can get knocked a tough general election . No, no, the intention is to win. There is no point doing something about what i am about to do unless you intend to go all the way and win. I thought candidly for the last ten or 15 years i could start monday in that job at 1,600 pennsylvania, have a mix of domestic and International Experience would fit me for the job. Which is more than i can say for the current numbered, who specializes in buzz words and platitudes, he flings about for all their worth. Foreigners cause the trouble. The future of the Energy Industry in the United States is comb. Thats where we got to go. Climate change is a hoax. These are just buzz words. There is nothing behind them. I dont think the president is knowledgeable on any of these issues. He simply repeats his buzz words. Now its not entirely his fault. Before he was elected president of the United States, he was a new york city and paump socilm social out exploiting the television industry, thats no reason for being the president of the United States. Im not saying its his fault. Im saying she a fish out of water. I think as the Campaign Goes on, that idea is going to take root. Havent all the bill weld republicans, people like me, already left the party . Well, you talk about leaving the party, i have never left the party of lincoln. When i started in republican politics back in the 60s people listen to each other. Policy was made by hammering thing outs and comprising. A lot got done. Lions walked the earth. If people were giving a speech. The gamries were forced to listen. No one wants to give a speech, its at 3 00 a. M. In a dark chamber with the cspan camera not allowed to leave the face of the speaker. My point is, his standing is like 90 among republicans. Its because there has been an exodus of we moderate republicans. Well, you know, the trump party, if i may trumpism is a the natural error of the Knownothing Party of the 19th century, which like the trumpism was founded on antiimmigrant fervor. They hated in that case catholics. The catholics coming in from germany and italy. They had violent rallies, just like trumpism. They believe in conspiracy theories, like trumpism. And that party disappeared into the mist. I think same thing is going to happen with trumpism. I think this is you are right a flash. A real flash in the pan. I think it will wind up being that. When the sober Second Thought of the Community Kicks in. Governor, are you formally in . Can we make some news today or are we still going through the dance . I think month o april, michael. But it does pay to get your ducks in a row before you formal ly announce and my sense is by some point in the month of april the stars will be in alignment. Governor weld, thanks for coming back. Great, michael. Always a pleasure. Let under the circumstances see what you are saying on our smerconish and twitter and facebook pages what do we have . Governor weld is doing what true republicans should be doing, trying to save the conservative party. You know, i think the strategy here, if i had more time, id have gotten into it with him. Hes in an ad joining state where he was a twoterm governor. A republican governor of a very liberal democratic state, massachusetts. Hes well known in New Hampshire. And i think that probably his strategy is that if he runs well in the New Hampshire primary, maybe wins that state, lfrls itup sets the apple cart and the invincibility around the president and his nomination is cast into doubt. My hunch is that is what governor weld is hoping for. Still to come, this new ad touting apple phones privacy is the latest reminder our data is these days. What if i i told you there is another way we are revealing crucial information . 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