Wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. Each is now the front line for an increasingly partisan battle on when and how to reopen. As noted by the new york times, democratic governors in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania backed by Public Health experts have urged caution before reopening. Republican legislatures in the state have pushed in opposite direction, citing economic necessity and personal freedom. On wednesday, a divided Wisconsin Supreme Court voted 43, sided with republican lawmakers when it found democratic officer tony evers extension of stayathome order unconstitutional. This is the stapame court to postpone the primary. One day later in michigan, protests in front of the state capitol, for Gretchen Whitmers stayathome order purged physical. Few protesters wore masks or practiced social distancing protocol. Some were armed. Many wielded homemade signs. President trump tweeted support for protesters. Meanwhile in pennsylvania, President Trump made a trip to a lehigh supply company among the lawmakers and governments pace of reopening. You have to get your governor in pennsylvania to start opening up a little bit. Yesterday, folks gathered outside of harrisburgs state capital to protest. They had signs saying beware of the sheep in wolfs clothing. Saying he doesnt understand why they remained shuttered while walmart and kohls cashed in. The pandemic is obvious which side benefits. Somewhere, James Carville is saying its the economy, stupid. A new cnn survey show s joe bidn ahead of donald trump 52. But its trump who leads biden by 7 Percentage Points 52 to 45 . Trumps biggest criticism of biden, handling of the economy. Most say they trust trump handling the economy while 42 say they prefer biden. Theres a narrative taking hold here. That republicans favor a more immediate reopening to the economy even to the detriment of Public Health. While democrats seek to protect Public Health even to the detriment of economy. Perhaps nothing will epitomize the differences more than the democrats this summer. Democrats are scheduled to be in milwaukee beginning august 17th. Republicans gather in charlotte North Carolina, one week later. This week President Trump said well have a convention, calling himself a traditionalist. He also accused North CarolinaGovernor Cooper of playing politics with reopening of the state. And saying, quote it would be bad for them if the state were to delay the start in charlotte. Meanwhile, the democratics party by laws group took the initiative to enable delegates to, quote, participate in person or by means that allow for appropriate social distancing. Imagine the optics. If democrats meet virtually to nominate joe biden and followed by republicans in relatively close quarters nominating donald trump. That juxtaposition, in itself, would define immediate approaches to covid19 and shape the elections under way. That is why i want you to go to my website and answer this weeks survey question smerconish. Com. Is the partisan fight over when and how to reopen helping President Trumps reelection . Joining me now is Democratic NationalCommittee Chair tom perez. Mr. Secretary. Welcome back. Whats your reaction to my survey question. Good to be with you. Well, you know, michael, we always follow the science in the democratic party. And i think thats really important. Im looking forward to having a convention in milwaukee in august. Im looking forward to highlighting joe biden and his values and the values of the democratic party. But were going to follow the science. And what we did this past week is to pass a resolution that gives our Convention Team the flexibility the follow what is going on at the time in milwaukee. We postponed our convention by five weeks so we could buy more time. Im hopeful that were going to be able to have some form of an inperson convention. We may not have everybody there. Its not an either or. Its not you either have everyone or you have no one. We will we will follow the science. We will listen to the Public Health professionals. We will respect the wishes of the people in milwaukee. And thats what were going to continue to do. Donald trumps damned the torpedos approach. Its very real. Thats the difference between democrats and republicans. We actually follow the science and i think its really important. If we want to grow this economy, we have to fix the Public Health problem first. Its a false choice to suggest you either open the economy or you protect Public Health. You open the economy by protecting Public Health. Youd agree, though, that the former Vice President can illafford to be perceived as overly cautious to the detriment of the economy . I mean, how else to explain the battleground data that says that trump is winning. Well, actually, if you look at the poll of polls in the battlegrounds, michael, no disrespect to cnn, i love cnn. But when you look at the polling in the battleground states, the Vice President is very quite well. The most recent poll i saw in michigan had the Vice President up eight points. A Gold Standard poll in wisconsin from marquette had the Vice President up four points. Were up in not just those three states, but you look down in florida, and the Vice President s ahead. In texas, its a dead heat. In ohio, its a dead heat. Our battlegrounds continue to increase, michael. We know its going to be a close election this november. But what we also know that the American People want a leader who is confident. A leader with integrity. A leader who can get us out of this economic mess. This comes down to trust. Who can voters trust to dig us out of this most difficult mess of our lifetime. This president got us into this mess. He didnt cause the coronavirus but his absolutely incompetent response has cost lives. And its cost jobs. And he has no plan to get it out of it. He pits states against states. Thats not how you do it. Joe biden is a steady hand at the tiller. Thats why you see the American People trusting him on health care. Trusting him to get us out of that this crisis. And the americans want leaders with empathy and compassion. This president is lacking in empathy and compassion. I dont think its working for the American People. I understand, but i think your standardbearer has a tough dynamic in so far as hes quarantined and somehow needs to get a message out, as between the two of them, hes the one to get the economy back on track. And unless he can convince in that regard, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania are states that he runs the risk of losing. Well, listen, hes been out there virtually. You know, his videos have gotten over 100 million views this week. Hes been on a number of morning shows. Hes been on late shows. He did the town hall the other kne night. Very active. And whats important to understand, and we saw this in wisconsin, people consume news differently. We won the Wisconsin Supreme Court race because we outhustled on the virtual front. We had our virtual clip boards out and we were talking to voters making sure they voted absentee. Republicans were asleep at the switch. Weve had key organizers in each of the battleground states. Were handing the Vice President the most muscular infrastructure that a party has ever handed a nonincumbent president. Weve trained 7,000 organizers in the last six weeks alone. The Vice President has been very active out there. He had a virtual day in arizona this week. Doing virtual days everywhere. As the situation permits and we will follow the advice of Public Health professionals. He will then get out there in reality, in person, when the situation permits. And ill tell you watching donald trump and what hes doing, he keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper. Quick final question. I know that in the end, Public Health is going to guide your decision as to whether there will be a conventional convention. For lack of a better description. Will you, nevertheless, take into consideration the potential competing optics of you being virtual and trump gathering the republican fold together in charlotte . Will that be a consideration . Its important, michael, to understand that this is not a binary choice. You dont either have everybody there, or nobody there. And what weve done through what we through our resolution is give flexibility to the team. So, if 100 instead of 200 people from state x come to milwaukee, because thats what the Public Health situation dictates, then we will follow the Public Health. Its an either or. Okay. We can do a lot of things remotely. Frankly, we imagine this convention, were going to be doing im really excited because were going to be able to highlight our Vice President in so many ways shapes and forms and were going to do it smart and safe. Thank you, mr. Secretary. Appreciate you coming back. Always a pleasure, michael. All right. We know how tom perez is voting. Make sure youre going to smerconish. Com and pasting your ballot on the survey question. From facebook, heres some reaction. What do we have, kathryn . Also, the inability to hold rallies is helping joe control staged messaging from his bunker is still full of bumbles. How will he look out on the stump . Well, everything that he says that is a bit offkey you know is a bit exacerbated. Weve talked about it previously, maybe the status quo suits joe biden. If youre one of those who is critical to the president s response to coronavirus, let trump be trump and let joe settle himself in quarantine in wilmington. Go get smerconish. 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The idea of having treatments available, or a vaccine that facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. That same day, the chancellor of the California State University set to announce that most of its 770,000 students would probably not be on campus this fall. If the remote model of education continues will students and their families still be willing to pay the full freight of tuition or rack up huge debt when the texture of that education is downscaled drastically . And will this scenario crush all but the wealthiest institutions moving forward . Well, this week new York Magazine published this article with my comie next guest. The coming disruption. Joining me now is dr. Galloway. Hes a clinical professor of marketing at new york universitys stern school of business. And he hosts a tv show called no mercy no malice. Dr. Galloway you predicted were going to see linkage between m. I. T. And google. And by the way, im hoping for tesla and penn. What would be in it for each sidy would they do . Michael, i appreciate the promotion, i just have an mda, not a doctorate. The universities will have to dramatically expand its role it will be a severely diminished product. And in order to recapture the gross margin dollars it will need to cover the fixed costs of University Buildings and tenured professors, theyre going to need to dramatically expand enrollment, the way theyll do that is with technology of both small and big tech. And were already seeing that. While its a fantastic time to be on the waiting list of a university. They will drastically expand their enrollments. That will force the tier two schools to go into in the next tier. Big tech, what do they get out of it . Somebody like apple, a company like google and facebook who have 160 billion in revenues and have to double that revenue base in the next five years there are a few sectors they can go into that are large enough and one of the most disruptable industries in the world that has raised its prize in the last two years, Higher Education. Is this a marriage made in a pandemic, if you will. Isnt going to dilute the brand of elite institutions . You know, part of it is the scarety handful get to go to harvard, m. I. T. , et cetera, what do we have, an as tft testoerise an education online. Were talking about schools in many instances stanford has done internally 92 of their applicants. Have seen their applications triple in the last 30 years, despite not increasing their freshmen seats so they could raise prices fast. I believe a lot of these universities have lost the script and no longer see themselves as public servants. But the luxury brands, people brag they would never get into the school they went to today which means most likely their kids are not getting in. Every remarkable kid has been somewhat downgraded in terms of the prestige of the college they can get in but the top tier can double or triple the seats without sacrificing any quality students. I know many people are watching this, parents saying, okay, what about price . Whats going to happen to price in the future . Well, i think a lot of universities are in a state of denial, we use terms like were in this together, and were committed to coming back to campus. But if you have certification and then you have the experience and you have the education, the certification of a university is still there, to be honest, thats the primary value add. But if the experience is diminished, people are no longer going to pay 58,000 a year for a substantially diminished experience at a tier two brand. What were about to see, kind of a liberal arts expensive tier two brand universities become the education. You could see hundreds if not thousands of universities start this death march. That would have this unprecedented implication in terms of college towns. Bottom line, i know you have collegeage children, michael, were all rethinking the amount of money were willing to pay for a substantially impaired product that has become exceptionally expensive over the last 30 years. I have my wife and i have three suddenly back under our roof, each taking zoom courses, frankly, at great institutions in various parts of the house. I need to ask about this. I worry about the loss of the experience i had, the experience you had. By the way, scott, we would be have been great roommates. Put up on the screen what im referring to. I personally worry about how a little like me will experience what i did at ucla. I tested my limits freshman year. I drank too much and through up too often. I joined crew and pulled myself harder physically than i ever imagined possible. I fell in love for the first time. I gained resilience when i had my heartbroken. I met people from different economic backgrounds who gave me a sense of empathy. How